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List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread
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Does playing McAdam for another 60 games over the next four years hurt the development of someone else who could form part of a premiership push in 5 years time?
Lairds got seven years in age on Jones.
Say we draft a small forward at the end of 2024. McAdam retires at the age of 31 at the end of 2026. That gives said small forward two years on the list, with a certain amount of games at league level, for him to develop into an AFL standard player
I just see no need to push one of our best performing forwards out the door when there's no obvious replacement (Newchurch is far from proven)
It's a bit hard for Newchurch is prove himself it they don't select him.
My fear is we don't have a sustained attack at a flag, like we have done Ad nauseam since 1998.
We get left with a group that has a window of one year to win a flag because we have to replace too many key players at that time.
Not saying that is going to happen, that's too hard to predict, but we should be open to trading players that are 27-30 now as there is very little chance of those players being in that push. Any compensation we get for someone like McAdam COULD be part of that. And let's be honest this is the first time in his career he has shown anything, and there's every chance he reverts to form next season leaving us with a missed opportunity to add to that premiership push.
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There’s also every chance it’s a Keath situation where he continues to play at a similar level, leaving us with even less firepower in an already weak forward line. The only difference is that we might not get horrific unders considering his contract, but even that might be at risk if we’re seen to be pushing him out the door
I just don’t see the need to voluntarily remove a performing player from our already weak side. If anything, having Shane around will make the transition for McAdam’s replacement from SANFL to AFL easier, allowing the draftee to grow into his potential more. That will allow for a sustained attack on a flag
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I hope the players are the ones driving this themselves, it doesn't need to be club driven. The club can facilitate it (give them time off, flexibility with hours, etc), but I think this is where some players start to get into trouble, where they have everything handed to them on a plate and forget about being an adult and adult responsibilities...like registering your car!
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I agree that Dawson has been in the top 2 or 3 this year for us, but Keays has a few others ahead of him.
Tex and Laird have both been better than Keays this year IMO, so he's probably back to #4 or 5 (Butts in the equation as well).
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Tex and Laird missed too many games to be ahead right now
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I disagree.
Laird and Tex have missed a few games also.
I'd have it as this:
1. Keays
1. Dawson (can't split them)
3. Laird
4. Walker
---Daylight---
5. Doedee
Everyone else has either missed games, been inconsistent or has struggled.
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In June 2021, who thought Jordan Dawson would be a Crows player (star) this year.
The club would absolutely know what the Luko and Rankine situation is looking like.
I think there's rules around clubs approaching players so therefore, the quieter it is, the more likely we're trying to get involved at the allowed time.
Players had a broad range of options. I think the only two compulsory factors were that their choice had to have career opportunities post football and that they had to participate in something of substance beyond just football. There were no exceptions.
It was interesting to see the holistic approach the club had around their player's welfare.
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It would be
1. Dawson
—Daylight—
Then..
Anyone else but Dawson.. you could literally raffle it.
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Watched a VFL game he played in recently...his disposal was abysmal...Will Gould on the other hand was good and his ball use very good.
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I think he has but that's probably more to do with his fitness levels...let's face it he's never going to be express.
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He was quick at the combine . Disposal was alright in his sanfl games but maybe game style helped him
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What they’ve succeeded at:
The Crows’ work without the footy in recent weeks has gone unnoticed in some circles, but is something coach Matthew Nicks would be thrilled with. Over the past five rounds, Adelaide has been very hard to move the ball against and its backline has stood up under substantial pressure. Since Round 8, the Crows rank fourth for opposition scores per inside-50, second for opposition defensive 50 to inside 50 conversions and sixth for pressure applied. They are still conceding an average of 92.4 points per game but at least there is a strong desire to improve their work without the footy.
Where they’ve failed:
In the early rounds, Adelaide’s weapon was its points from stoppages. After Round 5, the Crows ranked first in the competition in this category, recording 46.4 points a game from the score source. That’s not a sustainable brand, but neither is the drop off that has followed. Since Round 6, Adelaide is the worst team in the competition for points from stoppages, averaging just 20.7 points per game. In establishing a stronger team defence, they look to have taken their eye off the ball when it comes to their stoppage strength.
Surprise packet
Tom Doedee has taken his game to another level this year and he deserves to be in the same conversation as the competition’s great intercept defenders like Jeremy McGovern, Tom Barrass, Sam Taylor and Jeremy Howe. Doedee is playing consistently well and ranks elite for intercept marks, intercept possessions and spoils. He regularly gets the decision right when to spoil and when to back himself to take a mark.
Who needs to lift?
We all expect a lot more from Darcy Fogarty. He was taken at pick 12 in the 2017 national draft and opposition coaches rate his ability. He just needs to put it on show more often. To be fair, Fogarty has been better since he returned from a five-week spell in the SANFL. However, in his fifth season he should be bumping a 32-year-old Taylor Walker out of the side and making one of the key forward posts his own. Instead, he’s still battling for a spot each week. It’s all about fitness and a willingness to compete strongly when the ball is in his vicinity.
Overall grade: 4/10
What they’ve succeeded at:
The Crows’ work without the footy in recent weeks has gone unnoticed in some circles, but is something coach Matthew Nicks would be thrilled with. Over the past five rounds, Adelaide has been very hard to move the ball against and its backline has stood up under substantial pressure. Since Round 8, the Crows rank fourth for opposition scores per inside-50, second for opposition defensive 50 to inside 50 conversions and sixth for pressure applied. They are still conceding an average of 92.4 points per game but at least there is a strong desire to improve their work without the footy.
Where they’ve failed:
In the early rounds, Adelaide’s weapon was its points from stoppages. After Round 5, the Crows ranked first in the competition in this category, recording 46.4 points a game from the score source. That’s not a sustainable brand, but neither is the drop off that has followed. Since Round 6, Adelaide is the worst team in the competition for points from stoppages, averaging just 20.7 points per game. In establishing a stronger team defence, they look to have taken their eye off the ball when it comes to their stoppage strength.
Surprise packet
Tom Doedee has taken his game to another level this year and he deserves to be in the same conversation as the competition’s great intercept defenders like Jeremy McGovern, Tom Barrass, Sam Taylor and Jeremy Howe. Doedee is playing consistently well and ranks elite for intercept marks, intercept possessions and spoils. He regularly gets the decision right when to spoil and when to back himself to take a mark.
Who needs to lift?
We all expect a lot more from Darcy Fogarty. He was taken at pick 12 in the 2017 national draft and opposition coaches rate his ability. He just needs to put it on show more often. To be fair, Fogarty has been better since he returned from a five-week spell in the SANFL. However, in his fifth season he should be bumping a 32-year-old Taylor Walker out of the side and making one of the key forward posts his own. Instead, he’s still battling for a spot each week. It’s all about fitness and a willingness to compete strongly when the ball is in his vicinity.
Overall grade: 4/10
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What we've done well.
Well, not actually playing football, but running around when the oppo has it has been busy. We are still terrible at that, but there are some guys out there trying to stay warm.
Whilst I agree with you largely on our midfield issues, I can't agree that we should complain about Laird and Keays performances. They bring their best footy week in and week out. We know their strengths and weaknesses, but its unarguable that they are performing highly against their personal skill sets. It's the coaches, Nix and mini-Neil that are the major problem. Fancy bringing Crouch back into that group at the expense of Berry & Hately's minutes in there. It's totally insane and if anyone wants to know why this coaching croup is destined for the scrap heap, look no further.
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