List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[George CantStandYa]

McGovern was a very sound decision. lever wasn't.

Cameron - understandable why they did it, though it's proven to be very wrong.

Brad Crouch - seems like the right decision now, watching how St Kilda's midfield is going.

How are you putting St Kilda’s midfield woes on Crouch who has been good?

 

[Sanders]

It's best that it's our decision.

Then, if it's wrong, we know where the responsibility lies.

If?

 

[Tex Milera]

Apparently the Pies would be open to a trade for Grundy if the right offer presented itself.

Grundy would allow us to clean out a few deadwood at our Club and provide for us that "extra mid" in the way he plays at ruck as well. He is well done on his numbers and formline in 2022, but we would be a significant improvement on anything we have now or in the future. Playing TT and Grundy in the same team is very doable given how mobile they both are and would allow us to stretch teams in attack, with Tex and Fog right up there as well.

If the Pies were to pay some of his salary, it is worthy of consideration as it wouldnt impact on our salary cap as well. In terms of trade, I think the Pies would be happy to get him off their books given the talent on their list and the price wouldnt be as high as what it may have been a few years back.

I just want a good ruckman who can regularly take a contested grab around the ground


Sent from my iPad using BigFooty.com

 

[Scorpus]

View attachment 1452785

View attachment 1452786
That's a lot of deadwood.

My list to get rid of would be:

2022
Davis (delisted)
Frampton (delisted)
Turner (delisted)
Himmelberg (delisted)
Borlase (delisted)
Rowe (delisted)
Seedsman (retired)
Crouch (traded or contract paid out/delisted)

2023
McPherson (delisted)
McAsey (delisted or traded)
Strachan (delisted) - replace with younger rookie ruck
Murphy (delisted)
Brown (delisted or retired)
Sloane (retired)
Worrell (delisted) - if we continue to have no intention of playing him

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

From 2014

The Age Factor

I did some research and this is the round 1 average age ladder from oldest to youngest: 1. Fremantle 26y 150d 2. Geelong 26y 131d 3. Sydney 26y 126d 4. North Melbourne 25y 233d 5. Hawthorn 25y 227d 6. Western Bulldogs 25y 134d 7. Carlton 25y 106d 8. Essendon 25y 89y 9. West Coast 25y 85d 10...

www.bigfooty.com

Do we know the median age? or the spread of ages?

 

[GROTTO]

My list to get rid of would be:

2022
Davis (delisted)
Frampton (delisted)
Turner (delisted)
Himmelberg (delisted)
Borlase (delisted)
Rowe (delisted)
Seedsman (retired)
Crouch (traded or contract paid out/delisted)

2023
McPherson (delisted)
McAsey (delisted or traded)
Strachan (delisted) - replace with younger rookie ruck
Murphy (delisted)
Brown (delisted or retired)
Sloane (retired)
Worrell (delisted) - if we continue to have no intention of playing him

FMD


Thats some team.

 

[Tex Milera]

I saw the headline and already knew the answers...
View attachment 1450497

Of course it's a first round pick for Port and a third for the Crows, old SEN doesn't disappoint.

What would Port and the Crows get for Amon and Crouch?

The pair have been linked with exits in 2022.

www.sen.com.au

Korn??


Sent from my iPad using BigFooty.com

 

[Mutineer]

My list to get rid of would be:

2022
Davis (delisted)
Frampton (delisted)
Turner (delisted)
Himmelberg (delisted)
Borlase (delisted)
Rowe (delisted)
Seedsman (retired)
Crouch (traded or contract paid out/delisted)

2023
McPherson (delisted)
McAsey (delisted or traded)
Strachan (delisted) - replace with younger rookie ruck
Murphy (delisted)
Brown (delisted or retired)
Sloane (retired)
Worrell (delisted) - if we continue to have no intention of playing him

Sam Berry gets to stay then?

 

[Mutineer]

Can't blame Jacob Hopper

2

Jacob Hopper

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.0

5star

K

9.9

4star

HB

11.1

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

4.3

5star

D

17.6

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

8.9

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

D

18.6

5star

K

8.4

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.4

5star

for that...

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-news-statistics-reveal-the-leagues-real-midfield-kings/news-story/2e4533b41f3287c9cbb6fbe106877114

AFL news: Statistics reveal the league’s real midfield kings​

Some of the most sought-after trade targets of 2022 have been exposed by damning midfield numbers. See where your club’s engine room ranks.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

I just want a good ruckman who can regularly take a contested grab around the ground


Sent from my iPad using BigFooty.com

In the last four games ROB is averaging 3 marks a game for a giant who is discussed as being super fit and mobile this is simply not good enough.

 

[Gets!]

Essendon into Rankine…

If he is gettable and we don’t get him, I will be annoyed.

 

[Tex Milera]

Thanks Mutineer.

I think "being competitive" in and of itself should not be a goal for our club - now (during a rebuilding phase) or ever.

The only goal - to which all other goals (even non-football goals) should be subordinate and in support of - is winning a premiership.

Therefore IMHO Roo's language and position on maintaining competitiveness only has any justification if maintaining a degree of competitiveness during a rebuilding phase makes the eventual likelihood or timing of winning a premiership more favourable (or at the very least no less favourable).

I've seen and read arguments that 'you can't throw the kids to the wolves' like [insert previous rebuilding whipping boy such as Carlton or Melbourne here] did but I'm not sure I've ever really seen the argument proved as opposed to simply being stated.

What are the pros and cons of competitiveness during a rebuild? Where is the evidence that it positively assists in winning a flag? What is the optimum degree of competitiveness (# of wins per season, average losing margin, other metric)? How is the supposed benefit of competitiveness weighed up / traded off against other choices such as building experience in the next developing young player?

Goodness knows if those arguments go on behind closed doors at the club and of course we'll never hear anything other than platitudes in the public domain about this stuff but god I hope they don't trot out this competitiveness argument simply as cover for the fact that they don't have the will to endure heavy losses with a younger team even if they privately believed it was better in the long run.

No doubt the ultimate goal is to win a flag, but to do that you must not kill the young players confidence in the process. I know myself playing in some pretty bad teams in younger days it can really destroy your confidence and muster self doubt when continually getting flogged every week.

IMO it was worse for Crows when their SNAFL team was also getting pumped every week, at least now they are sitting top and these kids are experiencing success which will help when they eventually play regular AFL footy.

I may be off point here but feel the club needs to balance selection and simply cannot just play all the kids and kill their confidence. Roo is right and hopefully bears fruit when we eventually get back to playing a winning brand of football


Sent from my iPad using BigFooty.com

 

[WaynesWorld19]

McGovern was a very sound decision. lever wasn't.

Cameron - understandable why they did it, though it's proven to be very wrong.

Brad Crouch - seems like the right decision now, watching how St Kilda's midfield is going.

Of the 3 ....IIR most posters were upset at losing McGovern

Don't recall much outrage at losing Charlie ....I remember most happy if we got #19, as anything earlier was a pipedream ......he is the one this board got severely wrong on his performances & potential

Brad Crouch was a bit "meh" ......again has been proven a good decision to trade .....has had a lot of games where his disposal and influence on games has been pronounced ......however if you look at the typical St Kilda horrid games this year .....Brad Crouch is one of the disappearing acts in the big games

Lever, I still subscribe to no DEF being worth $800K ....and am happy we didn't sell the farm

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Western Bulldogs are suffering from a TPP model whereby the top 6-8 players are handsomely paid on long Contracts and then filling the last 6-8 players in the best 22 with cheap role players ......those bottom terrible 6-8 players are costing the WB Finals ......that same model has cost GWS the Finals

The players are easy to identify

 

[Tex Milera]

In the last four games ROB is averaging 3 marks a game for a giant who is discussed as being super fit and mobile this is simply not good enough.

He gets to the contest and hands on the ball but rarely completes the mark


Sent from my iPad using BigFooty.com

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Essendon into Rankine…

If he is gettable and we don’t get him, I will be annoyed.

ESS have a club philosophy of being linked to most available players ....sometimes simply to disrupt negotiations between players & other clubs

ESS's ego way out does their position in the AFL ....they think they're one of the Big 4 clubs .....laughable

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Worrell would be the one I’d keep my eye on in this years trade period, not McAsey. He’s shown enough form in the seconds IMO for Vic clubs to come knocking with the offer of more opportunity.

Which is absurd, but true.

How we could be in a position to lose a young player who wants more opportunity and he has suitors who have seen his form and make those offers.

Madness.

 

[Mego Red]

If?

I don't think they all were.

Some, sure. Maybe Keath. I don't think Betts was, or Jacobs, or Greenwood.

 

[Mego Red]

Essendon into Rankine…

If he is gettable and we don’t get him, I will be annoyed.

The question might be - does he just want to be in Melbourne?

He feels a bit like a mainstage guy, and maybe returning to Adelaide isn't enough.

I'm sure we could outbid them, so it wouldn't be financial.

 

[jbanger]

I'm sure I read this somewhere but wasn't Essendon's reasoning for targeting Rankine something along the lines of increasing their indigenous quota or thereabouts? Surely they can't be serious.

 

[Mego Red]

Which is absurd, but true.

How we could be in a position to lose a young player who wants more opportunity and he has suitors who have seen his form and make those offers.

Madness.

My ideal is trading Doedee as the centrepiece in a JHF trade, and we push up Worrell.

The issue I guess for him at the moment, is he's barely been playing as a third defensive tall - he's been more an attacking running option, like Hinge, Hamill, Smith, Dawson, Jones, Milera, etc.

 

[1990crow]

My ideal is trading Doedee as the centrepiece in a JHF trade, and we push up Worrell.

The issue I guess for him at the moment, is he's barely been playing as a third defensive tall - he's been more an attacking running option, like Hinge, Hamill, Smith, Dawson, Jones, Milera, etc.

I am all about that option. Doedee hasn't truly developed into a top class player, and at 25, probably won't.

Have Worrell take his spot, with Max Michalanney (F/S) as his under study.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'm sure I read this somewhere but wasn't Essendon's reasoning for targeting Rankine something along the lines of increasing their indigenous quota or thereabouts? Surely they can't be serious.

It's not a factor .....ESS will have access to both Davey Twins this Draft ....they'll certainly take one; Alwyn Davey

 

[Crow till I die]

I am all about that option. Doedee hasn't truly developed into a top class player, and at 25, probably won't.

Have Worrell take his spot, with Max Michalanney (F/S) as his under study.

It reeks of tge obvious if we were prepared to make such a play. Ideally if we were trading for jhf, doedee and our 2023 1st would be my preference and we grab a top end mid with our 2022 1st. Then that adds 2 very high end youngsters into the club in a real area of weakness

If we are able to get a back end 2nd for m crouch, it would give us the chance to grab one of the young talls and also lookat a small forward. We really could change the dynamic of our clubinone off season if we were aggressive enough and some cards fell our way

 

[cleanhands]

I'm sure I read this somewhere but wasn't Essendon's reasoning for targeting Rankine something along the lines of increasing their indigenous quota or thereabouts? Surely they can't be serious.

Read something somewhere stating similar

 

[GROTTO]

Essendon into Rankine…

If he is gettable and we don’t get him, I will be annoyed.

Of course he is gettable. We should be rolling the dice.

But we have ample stocks of elite small forwards like Rowe and McMurphy. (yes I combined them both).