List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part I

[Mat Mann]

Sharman was a wasted year just like Battle was last year , Sharman when he kicked 10 goals took 19 marks in his 4 games at the end of 2021 many past greats Brereton Carey Johnston were saying what a natural footballer and what a great prospect he was. Of course he should be in our forward line

King Membrey Sharman
Billing’s Higgins Butler

if you don't play'em how the **** do they ever learn, pretty bummed our fwd line was so shambolic this year and Sharman couldn't get a look in

 

[gringo2011]

We didn't even offer him a contract.

I think he had already told them he wasn't coming back. Pretty fractured relationship. I know you'll argue that it's a great thing the club did as usual but to have a guy who's spent his career at the club walk away really upset at his treatment isn't showing anything positive about how he saw the environment he was in. It's really rare that a player would prefer to blow up his career than stay at his club. They must have really upset him.

 

[saint66au]

Clarko has a cheek approaching our contracted players.

Lucky weve never approached a contracted player..

 

[Mat Mann]

I think he had already told them he wasn't coming back. Pretty fractured relationship. I know you'll argue that it's a great thing the club did as usual but to have a guy who's spent his career at the club walk away really upset at his treatment isn't showing anything positive about how he saw the environment he was in. It's really rare that a player would prefer to blow up his career than stay at his club. They must have really upset him.

he was told at the end of 2020 he was last in the queue and that his AFL time was probably up

 

[Saints43]

Harves would make a good strategist coming straight out of the Mitchell Hawks. Sam has the Hawks playing up to date fast footy and he would have seen what Bucks did wrong.

We really see football differently. The Mitchell Hawks are the most one dimensional defensive trainwreck in the league. They cannot contain an opposition run on at all in my opinion. Sam is a corporate schmoozer who says all the right things but doesn't have any examples of implementation.

 

[Mindtraveller]

Bytel has told the club he would like to test the market for more opportunities and the club says it respects that position. Think it is much different to the Dunstan situation who thought he knew better than the coaches. Only one winner in that fight at a footy club.

Surely with the amount of others going we say no. He had a busted back for half his time and then wants out when he comes good. Did this he should've been in the final game

 

[Barrels]

Wouldn’t mind prying Emerson Jeka away from the Hawks.

OOC, 21 soon, 198cm and a superb contested mark. Can play at both ends.

 

[Captain Paddy]

Side note, username unknown joined last week and has been dropping bombs. They’re either related/know the player or they’re just in here having a good old troll and tbh I respect that

 

[St Kilda Death]

I was also told from some one I know who is good mates with Jake Carslie, he said Jake was pretty open about Ratts and the playing group not liking him a part from Ryder. Which doesn’t surprise me.

Ratten did not get a long with Parker either. So Ratts clearly has another side and is not this soft person every one says he is.

So saying a guy who played under Hinkley, sheedy, bomber, Hird and knights; thinks Ratts is a good coach….

And a bunch of players that had mostly spent their entire careers under Allan Richardson… think he’s not.

 

[Joffaboy]

He went there to get away not to play footy. He was happy to retire rather than spend another day under Ratts. That's pretty bad IMO. If he's happy getting a game at Casey good luck to him.

That's why on that doco, his manager was scrambling to get him a gig anywhere, nobody wanted him, and the only team interested went off him because he bad mouthed his previous club and coach.

Out of 44 on a list there is always one or two who doesn't like the coach. RTB was hated by large groups when at the club, I bet even at the premiers there would be players who hate Goodwin.
Dunstan farted higher than his arse and thought he was better than he was, so proud he would retire instead of playing gor the Saints, but not to proud to be humiliated by Melbourne with a base pay rookie spot.
Embarrassing and he probably should have retired.

 

[St Kilda Death]

Wouldn’t mind prying Emerson Jeka away from the Hawks.

OOC, 21 soon, 198cm and a superb contested mark. Can play at both ends.

 

[bird_man]

Not sure why people would think our best 22 with a couple of decent free agents (DeGoey and Amon probably the only ones left) wouldnt challenge a top 4 run with the comp as open as it is. On paper were pretty solid and DeGoey becomes X Factor (plus frees up other mids and forwards).

The biggest thing is the way we play, not the cattle.

I doubt there are many outside of club supporters that would agree with that unfortunately.

I can't see DeGeoy being the difference between top 4 and not next year.

I'm all for going for him but also realistic that we need to improve our youth coming through to ever be a genuine threat

 

[bird_man]

Side note, username unknown joined last week and has been dropping bombs. They’re either related/know the player or they’re just in here having a good old troll and tbh I respect that

Happens every year

It's clearly someone that has been on the forum before, just a change of name

 

[Barrels]

Lacks aggression, apparently, but the traits are there.

Was lovely by foot as a junior, so that’s a plus.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Lucky weve never approached a contracted player..

We’re holier than thou

 

[Captain Paddy]

Happens every year

It's clearly someone that has been on the forum before, just a change of name

I love it because the forums pops off for a couple of weeks when we’re a lock for Heeney can go anywhere

 

[Plugger35]

I doubt there are many outside of club supporters that would agree with that unfortunately.

I can't see DeGeoy being the difference between top 4 and not next year.

I'm all for going for him but also realistic that we need to improve our youth coming through to ever be a genuine threat

You can do both, you can add an experienced free agent like De Goey and also still hit the draft hard to load up on more talented young players.

A club like Geelong does both, they are still bringing through talented young players like De Koning, Atkins and Holmes while also adding experienced free agents like Cameron, Smith and Ceglar which allows them to stay in the Top 4 and challenge for premierships while also rebuilding with youth.

 

[luca77]

It was interesting to hear Craig McCrae talk about setting up the ground for their ball movement.

It's not always just about executing the perfect kick, sometimes the way you set up the field is what allows that corridor kick to be an easier option, etc.

I'm not sure we set it up in a way that makes it easy for us to execute our skills.

I'm sure we are not the most skillful side but I bet were better than we look.

I was thinking something similar in the last few rounds.
Some teams make the ground seem big, can move it easily, and other teams seem to spend a lot of time chasing.
We somehow made the ground seem small.
Part of it was probably slow ball movement, and maybe predictability - but I reckon what you said above is part of it too.

I also noticed when Papley (I think) switched play last week, it was QUICK and effective if I remember, but def quick. We always seem to switch play really slowly and lazily. Actually anything Doogs does looks slow and lazy which doesn't help, especially with ball in hand.

Also noticed that players can habitually move and use the ball with intent. Hanners comes in, and it's so obvious. Windhager moves with intent, but struggles with the ball use at this stage. I feel like Clark has gone backwards with this, probably due to injury/confidence e.t.c. On the other hand, Ross probably got a fair bit better in that regard this year.

Just some thoughts. Most of that stuff is coachable, I think - with the right coaches.

 

[phantom13]

I doubt there are many outside of club supporters that would agree with that unfortunately.

I can't see DeGeoy being the difference between top 4 and not next year.

I'm all for going for him but also realistic that we need to improve our youth coming through to ever be a genuine threat

Well its all subjective really but the top 4 sides right now are Geelong, Melbourne, Sydney Collingwood.

Now we absolutely dont have better lists that Geelong and Melbourne, no question.

Sydney... Id say thats questionable. On paper outside of an OLD buddy and Heeney theres not alot of out and out stars there.

Collingwood i think there no doubt, especially at the start of this year we had a better 22 than they did.

Now Sydney and Collingwood are playing much much better football, much more suited to their gameplan than we are and thats sort of my point.

If we played the footy we know were capable of, consistently, we absolutely challenge those teams.

 

[phantom13]

Collingwoods midfield is outclassed by every other team in the 8 (and some outside of the 8) but they are just so efficient going forward, and steadfast in defence that they keep themselves in the game.
For example in round 21 v Melbourne, the inside 50's were 60 to 30 at 3/4 time. 60 I50's for a full game usually wins the match for most teams. But they hung on and when the game turned in the last quarter they were still close enough to come over the top. They did the same thing a fortnight later against the blues.
We are the quite literally the opposite. Usually breaking even or winning the midfield battle, but being completely unable score from it

Speaks to a much much better gameplan based on where their strengths lie.

 

[g_TRAIN]

I was thinking something similar in the last few rounds.
Some teams make the ground seem big, can move it easily, and other teams seem to spend a lot of time chasing.
We somehow made the ground seem small.
Part of it was probably slow ball movement, and maybe predictability - but I reckon what you said above is part of it too.

I also noticed when Papley (I think) switched play last week, it was QUICK and effective if I remember, but def quick. We always seem to switch play really slowly and lazily. Actually anything Doogs does looks slow and lazy which doesn't help, especially with ball in hand.

Also noticed that players can habitually move and use the ball with intent. Hanners comes in, and it's so obvious. Windhager moves with intent, but struggles with the ball use at this stage. I feel like Clark has gone backwards with this, probably due to injury/confidence e.t.c. On the other hand, Ross probably got a fair bit better in that regard this year.

Just some thoughts. Most of that stuff is coachable, I think - with the right coaches.

Some good thoughts.

I agree switching the play still has a place but like you say it needs to be done quickly and we should avoid sacrificing territory when doing it.

That backward 40m kick from Ben Long on the weekend was awful. We were instantly under more pressure and all the Swan's players then pushed up to defend higher and lock us down further away from goal.

 

[AirWinmar]

So it was well coached in the first half of the year when we were 8-3 beating Richmond, Freo and Geelong?

Weird how he can coach and has a gameplan for parts of the year, and suddenly doesn't. Can this be explained to someone like me who obviously doesn't know as much about gameplans as others?

Personally thought for most of the games before the bye we were pretty terrible to watch ball movement wise.

 

[bird_man]

Well its all subjective really but the top 4 sides right now are Geelong, Melbourne, Sydney Collingwood.

Now we absolutely dont have better lists that Geelong and Melbourne, no question.

Sydney... Id say thats questionable. On paper outside of an OLD buddy and Heeney theres not alot of out and out stars there.

Collingwood i think there no doubt, especially at the start of this year we had a better 22 than they did.

Now Sydney and Collingwood are playing much much better football, much more suited to their gameplan than we are and thats sort of my point.

If we played the footy we know were capable of, consistently, we absolutely challenge those teams.

Collingwood would be the only one we'd be close to in terms of list quality IMO.

Then most of the sides just outside the 4 would be ahead of us too.

Pies made the 4 because they managed to sneak home in every close game they had. A lot of that is great management but a lot would have to go down to luck also.

For us to propel that far up the ladder we would need our kids to jump massively in form. I have my doubts we have enough quality kids to do that.

 

[g_TRAIN]

Personally thought for most of the games before the bye we were pretty terrible to watch ball movement wise.

Yep.

Our ball movement hasn't looked good since the Richmond and first Hawks game.

It just seemed to progressively get worse until it started costing us in the back half of the year

 

[pebblesofsand]

Bytel has told the club he would like to test the market for more opportunities and the club says it respects that position. Think it is much different to the Dunstan situation who thought he knew better than the coaches. Only one winner in that fight at a footy club.

Yep - It is much different to Dunstan.

Ratten said Bytel was prefered ahead of Dunstan. Bytel didn't perform, Dunstan effectively excluded and then leaves at the end of the year.

The following year Bytel doesn't perform and decides to leave at the end of the year.

So being the "winner" doesn't mean you were right or that it was the best outcome for the club.