Training 2022 Training Reports

[Docker82]

If all defenders are fit then Cox is clearly ahead of Treacy as a forward. With a full squad Treacy will have to impress at Peel to get a game, which is how it should be really. Starting talls would be Tabs, Lobb, Cox with Fyfe spending time forward.

Excluding maybe two or three games, Treacy has already shown he’s a better forward than Cox imo.

People acting like that 4 goal game against Adelaide was every week. He’s a much much better defender.

 

[anchor man]

I read here where Sturt was concerned that he couldn't get into the game.I amnot sure that is a worry, but would be nice to be reading that he is tearing up the track.
I am sure with more time within the main group he will get it all together in the near future/
It will all be downto confidence in his own ability.

 

[Docker82]

What do you think will happen in the (unlikely) event that injuries don't effect Taberner, Lobb or Treacy's seasons?

First cab off the rank to step in for any of those 3 is Cox.

The question over Amiss or Sturt is going to come into focus at some point, but getting them both locked in as super mobile, creative tallish forwards is exciting.

Amiss is likely to get a debut as a development move in my opinion, dependant on the impact of covid on the season. A run of 3 games would be huge.

Cox will play in defence unless all of Hamling, Pearce and Logue are fit and at their best.

Taberner, Lobb and Treacy will be best 22 of fit.

Literally takes us having two injuries at any point during the season for Amiss to enter the conversation. Each year we use around 36-40 of our list during the seasons - yes, that’s because of injuries but every other team bar one or two each year do exactly the same. It’s almost certain they’ll be a place for him a handful of games next season - the only question really is whether he’s good enough to be in the conversation for selection. As a top ten pick I think it’s quite likely he is tbh. Talls do take time but good ones play early in their career.

 

[DaveLister]

Tucker and Brayshaw combine well in Friday’s match sim

Read how the boys fared in Friday's 60-minute match sim

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This is exactly what Meek needs to be doing to put pressure on Lobb, because Meek is better in the ruck than Lobb so if they are comparable in the forward line and around the ground then we don't have a period of less ruck output.

It’s not just Meek being better than Lobb, it could be that Meek ruck and Darcy fwd/ruck is better than Darcy ruck and Lobb fwd/ruck.

I remember watching Meek’s draft high lights before he was drafted and he struck as a player that had huge scope. Gradual improvements are putting him on a regular good to above average ruck trajectory. It just doesn’t seem so impressive when Darcy has had obvious star potential since his debut. Either way those 2 give each other a great training opponent in the preseason.

 

[vidwhal]

Look, these training notes are good and all, and I don't want to sound unappreciative, but how hard is it really to film the entire training session from multiple angles, edit it together and upload it to the forums by lunch time so that I can see it for myself? Is that really too much to ask? I'm suffering some serious FOMO here!

Actually that's something I'd love to do!

 

[Piggy Smalls]

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Horrible quality, but for those that are desperate to see some training footage, it's something.

Wilson/Aish=> Ryan=> contest (Darcy & Meek) => Cox crumbs => O'Driscoll=> Western=>Henry in pocket=> Tucker => goal

That sidestep of Cox’ is a real weapon for him

 

[arsesmart]

That sidestep of Cox’ is a real weapon for him

Cat like. Especially as he was right in that marking contest that lead to the spillage.

If noone else but him hit their peak potential this year, that'd still be a huge catalyst to making substantial finals on its own.

 

[Purpletown]

I miss ballas, players who pressure as hard as him but also know how to kick goals are pretty rare.

Those sort of players transform a forward line, most recent one being Pickett at the demons.

Ballas was exceptional with his pressure at his peak and would often create a goal from nothing more than the sheer effort he put into chasing. Adding together the goals he kicked and the goals he created made him an outstanding small forward.

A mate of mine called him the "exocet" after the missile for the way he zeroed in on his quarry from so far away.

 

[malpaso]

Treacy ! we are forgetting Treacy !

I didn't mention him given his preseason setback with injury. Love Treacy! At the moment though our defensive talent along with Cox's ability across the ground gives us a bigger benefit.

 

[mattis117]

Excluding maybe two or three games, Treacy has already shown he’s a better forward than Cox imo.

People acting like that 4 goal game against Adelaide was every week. He’s a much much better defender.

Cox hasn't played forward for a couple of years, his overall game has developed and he would be a lot better than his last showing.

 

[SHill Shall]

I wouldn't conclude that they are no longer on our list because we had too many defenders.

Would you accept "they are no longer on our list because we had too many defenders that were better than them"?

 

[Mesc]

I didn't mention him given his preseason setback with injury. Love Treacy! At the moment though our defensive talent along with Cox's ability across the ground gives us a bigger benefit.

Haha ! Sorry mate I knew there was a reason.. i'm just continuing a stir from some previous posts in the thread...

 

[sherrif]

Thank you to all the training posters. Brilliant work.

It seems obvious that Cox will be our 'swingman' and locked into the 22 (I also rate him up the ground, smooth mover). Tabs, Cox and Lobb in the forward line!

That leaves as I see it a battle between Chapman and Logue for the third tall. Who is winning that at the moment?

Both Chapman and Logue can play in the same team as they can both play on talls and smalls..Last year we played 7 defenders most games with one starting on the bench. This year I'd play 8 but have one of those rotating into different positions other than defence at any one time.
My back 8 wold be Clark, Young, Chapman, Logue, Ryan, Walker, A.Pearce, Cox That would allow Cox to play forward, Clark to switch to a wing for decent periods and Young to play some inside mid. Chapman looks terrific playing on smalls from what Ive seen at training which isnt a lot. I like the idea of throwing Logue around the ground for brief spurts as a bit of an x factor too.

 

[BigRang]

Both Chapman and Logue can play in the same team as they can both play on talls and smalls..Last year we played 7 defenders most games with one starting on the bench. This year I'd play 8 but have one of those rotating into different positions other than defence at any one time.
My back 8 wold be Clark, Young, Chapman, Logue, Ryan, Walker, A.Pearce, Cox That would allow Cox to play forward, Clark to switch to a wing for decent periods and Young to play some inside mid. Chapman looks terrific playing on smalls from what Ive seen at training which isnt a lot. I like the idea of throwing Logue around the ground for brief spurts as a bit of an x factor too.

Logie is a midfielder mate


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[theGav56]

Would you accept "they are no longer on our list because we had too many defenders that were better than them"?

They are not on our list, or any other club list, because they are not AFL top 30 standard, and lack the flexibility to play other positions apart from hbf-er.

We have better defenders than Hughes or Walker or Aish or Wilson, but they are all still on the list.

We also drafted several hbf-ers recently (Walker and O'Driscoll) and traded Clark in.

 

[theGav56]

Both Chapman and Logue can play in the same team as they can both play on talls and smalls..Last year we played 7 defenders most games with one starting on the bench. This year I'd play 8 but have one of those rotating into different positions other than defence at any one time.
My back 8 wold be Clark, Young, Chapman, Logue, Ryan, Walker, A.Pearce, Cox That would allow Cox to play forward, Clark to switch to a wing for decent periods and Young to play some inside mid. Chapman looks terrific playing on smalls from what Ive seen at training which isnt a lot. I like the idea of throwing Logue around the ground for brief spurts as a bit of an x factor too.

Need some clarification here.

Are you proposing 8 defenders as a structural shift?

Or

Are you trying to find a structure that best uses our talent?

Generally I prefer a locked and loaded, stable back 6 + 1 in the bench. Additional support coming from midfielders.

But, if we really can work a game plan with as much flexibility as you imply (including multi positional forward options in Fyfe, Switkowski, Lobb, Walters etc) We are in for some excitement.

 

[Docker82]

Cox hasn't played forward for a couple of years, his overall game has developed and he would be a lot better than his last showing.

You’re assuming a fair bit there. Cox was always much more natural in defence.

It’s no different to the times when we threw McPharlin forward tbh. Not exactly a disaster but he’s a much better defender.

 

[sherrif]

If we got Roy George it would do wonders for our culture club

Need some clarification here.

Are you proposing 8 defenders as a structural shift?

Or

Are you trying to find a structure that best uses our talent?

Generally I prefer a locked and loaded, stable back 6 + 1 in the bench. Additional support coming from midfielders.

But, if we really can work a game plan with as much flexibility as you imply (including multi positional forward options in Fyfe, Switkowski, Lobb, Walters etc) We are in for some excitement.

I'm proposing a team balance shift. I like Chapman and Logue in the team. Logue was actually our equal quickest player with Colyer in terms of maximum speed last season. While Chapman is also very, very quick so they can both play on smalls as well as talls. I also really like Walker in the team too as he also provides some great speed. To make that work we can play Clark about 40% of game time on the wing, Cox 30% up forward, Young 20% onball and Logue a bit as a wildcard for a small part of the game all over the ground. That way we can play Ryan, Walker, Cox, Young, Logue, Chapman, A.Pearce and Clark all in the team while rotating one defender off the bench. I like the speed and the flexibility that gives us.

 

[sherrif]

Logie is a midfielder mate


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I really hope they give him a shot there in preseason games at least ad see how he goes.

 

[Swiggy]

You’re assuming a fair bit there. Cox was always much more natural in defence.

It’s no different to the times when we threw McPharlin forward tbh. Not exactly a disaster but he’s a much better defender.

I’m not sold on that he showed plenty of potential forward. Have to remember he was pretty much the number one forward when he was 18 when tab’s got injured. Imagine him getting the 3rd defender every week now?

I rate him just as high as a forward. At the end of the day you need to kick goals to win games.

 

[Schauermann]

Cox will play in defence unless all of Hamling, Pearce and Logue are fit and at their best.

Taberner, Lobb and Treacy will be best 22 of fit.

Those other 6 played

Hamling 0
Pearce 10
Logue 16
Taberner 16
Lobb 13
Treacy 15

games in 2021. And all were injury based apart from Treacy being young and raw.

When we want to keep a structure with 3 talls on either end (and we should, unless weather or opposition suggest something else), Cox as swingman is very handy.

 

[Schauermann]

And I really enjoyed that report from the match sim. Suggests a few players can hopefully step up and push for spots when not all are available.

 

[SHill Shall]

1. They are not on our list, or any other club list, because they are not AFL top 30 standard, and lack the flexibility to play other positions apart from hbf-er.

2. We have better defenders than Hughes or Walker or Aish or Wilson, but they are all still on the list.

3. We also drafted several hbf-ers recently (Walker and O'Driscoll) and traded Clark in.

Agree on 1. Although plenty weren’t seeing it that way on Duman for a long time.

Not sure of the point being made in 2 - with list sizes of early to mid 40’s, every position has players that are B22 and others that are developing or there for depth. Of those players listed I think Hughes and Wilson will be the next to fall.

Re 3, I don’t personally think O’Driscoll was drafted as a HBFer - his disposal is too iffy. To get him started and developing at senior level they have played him at HBF for Peel. It’s sounding like he starting to impact now, but more as a crash and bash mid. Conversely Walker and Clark should play a lot of AFL minutes at HBF over the next three years.

 

[Daddoo]

Our list management has improved out of sight over the last 3 or 4 years.

100% agree. And it seems the other WA team has made a few crap decisions when it comes to their list. Up is down and down is up. Love it. [emoji173]️


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[Walkingwounded]

Just checking is this the list management thread or the pre-season thread?