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Excluding maybe two or three games, Treacy has already shown he’s a better forward than Cox imo.

People acting like that 4 goal game against Adelaide was every week. He’s a much much better defender.

Remember Cox played forward.

Not sure that their is a big difference.

Cox had a 4.5 goal involvement verse Tracey 3.2
 
I'm proposing a team balance shift. I like Chapman and Logue in the team. Logue was actually our equal quickest player with Colyer in terms of maximum speed last season. While Chapman is also very, very quick so they can both play on smalls as well as talls. I also really like Walker in the team too as he also provides some great speed. To make that work we can play Clark about 40% of game time on the wing, Cox 30% up forward, Young 20% onball and Logue a bit as a wildcard for a small part of the game all over the ground. That way we can play Ryan, Walker, Cox, Young, Logue, Chapman, A.Pearce and Clark all in the team while rotating one defender off the bench. I like the speed and the flexibility that gives us.
It would be hard to throw those players all over the ground considering the interchange limits right? Generally someone's got to come off as part of a swing unless you're just switching onfield spots.
 

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Stuart dew was one of the best kicks that has ever played

Griffin Logue, I’m not even confident he can drop the ball onto his foot.
 
It would be hard to throw those players all over the ground considering the interchange limits right? Generally someone's got to come off as part of a swing unless you're just switching onfield spots.
They could swap after a goal was scored or in general play. Essentially I'm playing 7 defenders with one on the bench and then rotating players on the field so that one of the 8 players I named is not playing in defence.
 

Remember Cox played forward.

Not sure that their is a big difference.

Cox had a 4.5 goal involvement verse Tracey 3.2
The way I remember Coxy early on in his career in the forward line, he was very hesitant.
He played without confidence + stood + watched on a number of occasions rather
than contest for the ball.

He is not the same player now.
 
Agree on 1. Although plenty weren’t seeing it that way on Duman for a long time.

Not sure of the point being made in 2 - with list sizes of early to mid 40’s, every position has players that are B22 and others that are developing or there for depth. Of those players listed I think Hughes and Wilson will be the next to fall.

Re 3, I don’t personally think O’Driscoll was drafted as a HBFer - his disposal is too iffy. To get him started and developing at senior level they have played him at HBF for Peel. It’s sounding like he starting to impact now, but more as a crash and bash mid. Conversely Walker and Clark should play a lot of AFL minutes at HBF over the next three years.
Hughes just got a 3 year deal didn't he? So if you think he is next to be delisted it emphasises my point that the guys we just delisted (and who no other club grabbed) are not AFL standard. And until he isn't, Wilson is best 22, and was always ahead of Duma and Watson.

I reckon if we cut Hughes he would be picked up.
 

AFL 2022: Fremantle confident Josh Treacy will rejoin main training in February after battling soreness​

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Eliza ReillyThe West Australian
Sat, 29 January 2022 11:42AMComments
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Josh Treacy watches on from the sidelines at training in January.


Josh Treacy watches on from the sidelines at training in January. Credit: Kelsey Reid/The West Australian

Fremantle are confident emerging key forward Josh Treacy will rejoin the main training group next week after an interrupted pre-season.
The 19-year-old has been managed in Fremantle’s rehab group since pre-Christmas as he continues to battle soreness.
But after taking a conservative approach with the tall forward, the Dockers expect Treacy to rejoin his teammates next week with round one a little under two months away.
After being restricted mostly to jogging laps for the past month, Treacy graduated to higher intensity running at Friday’s training session.
Josh Treacy watches on from the sidelines as he continues to be managed at training.


Josh Treacy watches on from the sidelines as he continues to be managed at training. Credit: Kelsey Reid/The West Australian
The Bendigo Pioneers product accelerated strongly in some timed running intervals and also worked with a coach on some basic leading and marking.
Drafted at pick seven in the 2020 rookie draft, Treacy debuted in round four against Hawthorn last year and managed 16 matches, signing a new two-year deal in June.
“I’d like to hit the scoreboard a bit more, have a bit more impact on the game and assert myself on the AFL,” Treacy said on his goals for this year.
“I’ll keep continuing to get stronger and fitter. I’ve got a few focus areas I’m going to target heavily.”
With Treacy and Matt Taberner still sidelined for match simulation on Friday, defender Brennan Cox starred with four goals up forward.
After playing mostly as a forward between 2016 and 2019, Cox has spent the past two seasons cementing his place in defence.
[PLAYERCARD]Brennan Cox[/PLAYERCARD] kicked four goals after being swung forward.


Brennan Cox kicked four goals after being swung forward. Credit: Fremantle FC
Cox lined up on fellow key backman Joel Hamling and took full advantage of team purple’s powerful midfield to finish with four majors.
Darcy Tucker and Andrew Brayshaw combined strongly in the midfield alongside Nathan O’Driscoll and ruck Lloyd Meek to spur team purple to a dominant seven-goal win.
Tucker continues to impress in his bid for a midfield spot, kicking two goals from the midfield. Lachie Schultz also kicked two goals.
[PLAYERCARD]Darcy Tucker[/PLAYERCARD] continues to impress in the midfield this pre-season.


Darcy Tucker continues to impress in the midfield this pre-season. Credit: Fremantle FC
Michael Frederick kicked three of team yellow’s four goals, Rory Lobb contributing the other major.
Neil Erasmus won plenty of ball for team yellow, partnering with Will Brodie, Connor Blakely and ruck Sean Darcy in the midfield.
Hayden Young and Sam Sturt put their injury concerns behind them, getting through four 15 minute quarters unscathed.
 
Sturt does pretty well in a marking contest despite his frame. He’s a natural in a marking contest.

I’ve said it before Amiss will play games this year if injuries don’t effect his season. I’m not expecting him be best 22 or anything- that’s unrealistic for a first year tall. Those saying with confidence he won’t play this season or even that it’s unlikely he’ll play are completely full of sh** though imo.

I think if you are on an AFL list you’re a good chance of getting a game this year. I think the AFL will take the BigBash approach and just play on irrespective of how many players clubs lose to Covid each week.


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Thought you guys would be interested in this video. A bit of Brodie/Darcy/Meek chemistry from under 18 Vic Country days.

I recall Brodie and Darcy having really good chemistry at clearances during that under 18 carnival. Exciting for you guys if they can get that going again.

I live on the coast so keep a close eye on the Suns and was disappointed at the way we treated Brodie and think if allowed to play his stoppage beast type role he will flourish. All the best to him and freo for the season.
 
Those other 6 played

Hamling 0
Pearce 10
Logue 16
Taberner 16
Lobb 13
Treacy 15

games in 2021. And all were injury based apart from Treacy being young and raw.

When we want to keep a structure with 3 talls on either end (and we should, unless weather or opposition suggest something else), Cox as swingman is very handy.

The original point was it won’t take many injuries for Amiss to play a few games.

Whether you think Cox is a viable option forward or not my original point stands.
 

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Thought you guys would be interested in this video. A bit of Brodie/Darcy/Meek chemistry from under 18 Vic Country days.

I recall Brodie and Darcy having really good chemistry at clearances during that under 18 carnival. Exciting for you guys if they can get that going again.

I live on the coast so keep a close eye on the Suns and was disappointed at the way we treated Brodie and think if allowed to play his stoppage beast type role he will flourish. All the best to him and freo for the season.

Interesting, as when I was watching the match sims at training that’s (same as in his draft year highlights) exactly how he was playing and being used.
 

Thought you guys would be interested in this video. A bit of Brodie/Darcy/Meek chemistry from under 18 Vic Country days.

I recall Brodie and Darcy having really good chemistry at clearances during that under 18 carnival. Exciting for you guys if they can get that going again.

I live on the coast so keep a close eye on the Suns and was disappointed at the way we treated Brodie and think if allowed to play his stoppage beast type role he will flourish. All the best to him and freo for the season.
Thanks for the video.
 

Remember Cox played forward.

Not sure that their is a big difference.

Cox had a 4.5 goal involvement verse Tracey 3.2

The stats for Cox are from his second or third season at AFL level.

I was not convinced of Cox as a forward at the time and I’m sorry but two seasons of him playing good football in defence does not convince me he’d make a good forward at AFL level.

I was much more impressed by Treacy as a forward than I ever was with Cox. That’s my opinion and I’m sticking with it until Cox proves me otherwise. In other words if you’re trying to convince me before Round One you’re not going to have much luck ;).
 
The stats for Cox are from his second or third season at AFL level.

I was not convinced of Cox as a forward at the time and I’m sorry but two seasons of him playing good football in defence does not convince me he’d make a good forward at AFL level.

I was much more impressed by Treacy as a forward than I ever was with Cox. That’s my opinion and I’m sticking with it until Cox proves me otherwise. In other words if you’re trying to convince me before Round One you’re not going to have much luck ;).
I compared when both players were 19.
 
I think if you are on an AFL list you’re a good chance of getting a game this year. I think the AFL will take the BigBash approach and just play on irrespective of how many players clubs lose to Covid each week.


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Most clubs use over 36 players in a season. We have 42.

Covid only makes it more likely he’ll play but he was a very likely to play a few games anyway imo.
 

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I compared when both players were 19.

My bad mate. Regardless stats never really was the point of my argument.

I saw a natural forward when I watched Josh Treacy. When I watched Brennan Cox I did not.

He’s a bloody good footballer. He won’t be useless as a forward, but like Luke McPharlin he’s a much much better defender.
 
You go with a project player or a mature age player who could help straight away to replace Valente?

Genuine project players imo are becoming less and less frequent throughout the AFL. List sizes were reduced by two in 2020. Combine that with clubs using more players each season and there isn’t much room for them outside of the Category B rookie list, which not a high percentage of the draft pool qualifies for. Not sure any club genuinely has more than two genuine project players on their list tbh.

I wouldn’t rule out 18/19 year olds from the previous draft pools out completely but I would be leaning more towards mature aged that are young enough to play 5-10 seasons if good enough.

FWIW I’m much more comfortable with the likely standard and depth of mids and HBFs that’ll likely be available in the top up player pool. I’d rather us take a KPP or small forward for that reason. Plus Valente was somewhat surplus after we brought in Brodie, Erasmus and Johnson (quite possible he was already behind the first two).
 
My bad mate. Regardless stats never really was the point of my argument.

I saw a natural forward when I watched Josh Treacy. When I watched Brennan Cox I did not.

He’s a bloody good footballer. He won’t be useless as a forward, but like Luke McPharlin he’s a much much better defender.
Let’s agree on the love for Treacy, he is a beautiful monster murderer.

What we are disagreeing on Cox as a forward.

His stats as a young key forward is good as anybody star forward at the same age.

Cox leading pattern were excellent, marking very good and field kicking was awesome. His only issue was he got the yips in front of goal.
 
It’s not just Meek being better than Lobb, it could be that Meek ruck and Darcy fwd/ruck is better than Darcy ruck and Lobb fwd/ruck.

I remember watching Meek’s draft high lights before he was drafted and he struck as a player that had huge scope. Gradual improvements are putting him on a regular good to above average ruck trajectory. It just doesn’t seem so impressive when Darcy has had obvious star potential since his debut. Either way those 2 give each other a great training opponent in the preseason.

I cant get that last game against St Kilda with Meek out of my mind. It's going to take a few decent games from him i think to turn my opinion around on him.

I suppose he had a lot friends that day but he stood out more then the rest. Was horrific.

I hope the rest of the team haven't forgotten that performance as well it was insipid and shouldn't be accepted in 2022.
 
Let’s agree on the love for Treacy, he is a beautiful monster murderer.

What we are disagreeing on Cox as a forward.

His stats as a young key forward is good as anybody star forward at the same age.

Cox leading pattern were excellent, marking very good and field kicking was awesome. His only issue was he got the yips in front of goal.
I am very glad to see Cox tried forward. I agree with you that there was a lot about his play in 2017 and 2018 as a forward that was good. I see him as having unusual traits for a big bloke. He has great spatial awareness, an excellent sidestep and is creative, thus he had good numbers as a forward for goal assists and score involvements. He is also a strong contested mark, rarely beaten in the air. His goal kicking yips were only 2017.
 
Let’s agree on the love for Treacy, he is a beautiful monster murderer.

What we are disagreeing on Cox as a forward.

His stats as a young key forward is good as anybody star forward at the same age.

Cox leading pattern were excellent, marking very good and field kicking was awesome. His only issue was he got the yips in front of goal.
If we can get more experience into Cox and he's actually decent in the forwardline our team will be flipping set. Having a swingman like that is Invaluable.
 

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