Training 2022 Training Reports

[Ge3ks]

• Jlo has yet to beat a decent, proper, contending team in his 37 games as a coach.

In 2021 Freo (11th) beat Sydney (6th), GWS (7th) and Richmond. (12th)

Sydney would have finished 3rd if we hadn't beat them.

Can't remember 2020*

*big fat asterisk

 

[tonygeeks]

That was the worst team we will play all year including scratch matches agains ourselves

A fun little pre season treat

Anyone moving the magnets around and making definitive statements about players based off that rubbish is in for a rude awakening when we play an actual footy team


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[Ge3ks]

we fastrack Amiss

How? Do we ask Nic Nat to loan him his 'Free Whoppers 4 Life' card?

 

[Dockeroo]

In 2021 Freo (11th) beat Sydney (6th), GWS (7th) and Richmond. (12th)

Sydney would have finished 3rd if we hadn't beat them.

Can't remember 2020*

*big fat asterisk

None of those teams were realistic flag contenders. When Sydney actually became half decent in the second half of last year they beat us easily.
I’d say our best win under Jlo was actually against the saints in 2020 when we came from about 40 points down. At the time they were seen as contenders, but soon unsurprisingly turned out to be just pretenders.
The top sides have pretty much all dispatched us with ease in the last 2 seasons. Against sides like brisbane, port, Geelong, Melbourne last year, the doggies - the opposition have all had the points in the bag by the 3 quarter siren. That’s my main point.

 

[raffrox]

Denigrate? I would say my criticism of our club is quite fair considering our current position.

What do you think I said was unfair? Didn't we smash the Eagles in a 2018 practice match?

I would be very happy being wrong but to think that we are out of the woods yet is as premature. Would love to be wrong but I'm yet to see it.

Ah you basically couldn't stop calling us shit to anyone that listened in the draft & trade board but fair enough.

 

[blue shark]

None of those teams were realistic flag contenders. When Sydney actually became half decent in the second half of last year they beat us easily.
I’d say our best win under Jlo was actually against the saints in 2020 when we came from about 40 points down. At the time they were seen as contenders, but soon unsurprisingly turned out to be just pretenders.
The top sides have pretty much all dispatched us with ease in the last 2 seasons. Against sides like brisbane, port, Geelong, Melbourne last year, the doggies - the opposition have all had the points in the bag by the 3 quarter siren. That’s my main point.

You are right, but we have also had injuries to key personnel. Add the fact we are a young side.
WC are already flying the white flag, yet our injury plight had been well documented but fallls on deaf ears.
I would say that Brayshaw. Serong, etc have decided to lead by example and plenty
are following.
With maturity, pre-seasons comes natural progression.
Adding mature bodies in Brodie, Clark. Worner has strengthened our resolve.
We haven’t finished with the wafl plug and play.
New forwards coach, etc, we will hit the scoreboard more.
I’d like to know the negatives besides Lobb?
We have never seen Treacy, Lobb, Tabs in the same team.

 

[Yeti]

Ah you basically couldn't stop calling us sh*t to anyone that listened in the draft & trade board but fair enough.

Still haven't because we still are. Until we're not I'll be holding my current POV.

But you keep on carrying the can for us being premiers this year. Really hope your right but as I said a few months ago I don't think it's finals for us this year we are probably another 12 months off.

 

[SHill Shall]

I really don’t see the point in exclusively dredging up the past in an opinion piece on how well we’ll go in 2022. This ‘eyeore’ thinking says we’ll never be any good.

Of course we know that a pre season hit and giggle win against poor opposition doesn’t mean anything.

But steadfastly refusing to believe your team will make finals, or top 4 or better, until it actually happens suggests you’re devoid of all hope. That in turn is not what we expect of our players, coaches and administrators so why does it make sense for us as supporters?

I say allow yourself some expectation and enjoy the ride. It’s gunna be fun.

 

[pK75]

The top sides have pretty much all dispatched us with ease in the last 2 seasons. Against sides like brisbane, port, Geelong, Melbourne last year, the doggies - the opposition have all had the points in the bag by the 3 quarter siren. That’s my main point.

I have to disagree with this, against the bulldogs we were right in that game until we lost 3 players in 2 minutes. Also in rnd 1 against Melbourne we lost by 20 odd points with one of the worst conversion rates ever. 0.6 midway through the 2nd qtr before we kicked our first goal! We can match some of these teams. The losses to Geelong, Brisbane and St Kilda were horrific, that’s what JLo wants to address when he talks about being more consistent. The competition for spots means everyone will have to keep competing hard even if the loss seems inevitable as they’ll lose the spot next week if they drop their heads. Which is what happened in those losses.

 

[SupermanCapes]

This feels like a healthy re-balancing of the attitude in this thread, but I'm hoping we land as a whole on the positive side of the ledger. I don't think we're shit - I think that's a bit excessive.

We're certainly unproven but I think the enthusiasm comes from the expectation that we will take an important step because:

1. We've had a charmed run with injuries through pre-season. This seems to be the most important time to have continuity. Players that complete an entire season off an interrupted pre-season seem to struggle, but players with a proper pre-season seem to have a better run at staying on the park, and seem to be much better when they are on the park.

2. We have competition for spots across the board. To an extent this is linked to point 1, but it's also due to what seems like a decent level of improvement across a tonne of our young players. Yes, we've been competing either against ourselves or against the Weagle's C team, but we talk constantly about how premierships are won by the bottom 10 players not the top 5. We currently have a list that has 20 odd players vying to be the bottom 10, which feels like something we've never had before.

3. We've got a revamped coaching team. Particularly, we've gone away and aggressively targeted coaches that can address our deficiencies. The addition of Graham and LeCras was probably my favourite off-season move. The fact that we stuck with Hale for, what, 6 or 7 years began to seem like a form of insanity.

4. We actually saw the implementation of skills and aspects of the game plan that we've been crying out for during the West Coast game. Ignoring the opposition and to a large extent the actual score, the timing of our forwards, the inclination of our mids to lower the eyes and spear passes to leading forwards and the constant switching of angles off half-back was just so exciting. Everyone knows we have to do this against real opposition when points are on the line, but surely this is the best we've looked for years.

5. Everything we saw in point 4 was done by our B team midfield. This shouldn't be ignored. We've been hauled over the coals by east coast pundits for years for being overly reliant on Fyfe, Mundy and Walters - the notion was essentially that we couldn't win games without one of them starring. What we saw was a whole of team effort, driven by our elite young players across the back line and midfield.

Overall, my personal view is that if we play to our potential we should absolutely challenge for the 8. Will we? No idea. But I think there is a happy middle ground between "we're shit" and "we're going to win a flag".

We should play some excellent football this year and I think it's going to be really fun to be a wharf

 

[Taylor]

If we have based our game plan on punishing turnovers then it's working really well. If we can add in stoppage dominance then even better.

 

[bruzaar62]

How? Do we ask Nic Nat to loan him his 'Free Whoppers 4 Life' card?

See c atm

This feels like a healthy re-balancing of the attitude in this thread, but I'm hoping we land as a whole on the positive side of the ledger. I don't think we're sh*t - I think that's a bit excessive.

We're certainly unproven but I think the enthusiasm comes from the expectation that we will take an important step because:

1. We've had a charmed run with injuries through pre-season. This seems to be the most important time to have continuity. Players that complete an entire season off an interrupted pre-season seem to struggle, but players with a proper pre-season seem to have a better run at staying on the park, and seem to be much better when they are on the park.

2. We have competition for spots across the board. To an extent this is linked to point 1, but it's also due to what seems like a decent level of improvement across a tonne of our young players. Yes, we've been competing either against ourselves or against the Weagle's C team, but we talk constantly about how premierships are won by the bottom 10 players not the top 5. We currently have a list that has 20 odd players vying to be the bottom 10, which feels like something we've never had before.

3. We've got a revamped coaching team. Particularly, we've gone away and aggressively targeted coaches that can address our deficiencies. The addition of Graham and LeCras was probably my favourite off-season move. The fact that we stuck with Hale for, what, 6 or 7 years began to seem like a form of insanity.

4. We actually saw the implementation of skills and aspects of the game plan that we've been crying out for during the West Coast game. Ignoring the opposition and to a large extent the actual score, the timing of our forwards, the inclination of our mids to lower the eyes and spear passes to leading forwards and the constant switching of angles off half-back was just so exciting. Everyone knows we have to do this against real opposition when points are on the line, but surely this is the best we've looked for years.

5. Everything we saw in point 4 was done by our B team midfield. This shouldn't be ignored. We've been hauled over the coals by east coast pundits for years for being overly reliant on Fyfe, Mundy and Walters - the notion was essentially that we couldn't win games without one of them starring. What we saw was a whole of team effort, driven by our elite young players across the back line and midfield.

Overall, my personal view is that if we play to our potential we should absolutely challenge for the 8. Will we? No idea. But I think there is a happy middle ground between "we're sh*t" and "we're going to win a flag".

We should play some excellent football this year and I think it's going to be really fun to be a wharf

stop being so balanced and positive!!!blind Freddy can see we are tracking well(and are far from sh*t).
Natural progression of players,great coaching improvements,good trading and drafting and another year of learning the game plan along with a favourable injury list leaves us in a great position to push for finals

 

[Kapow!!!]

None of those teams were realistic flag contenders. When Sydney actually became half decent in the second half of last year they beat us easily.
I’d say our best win under Jlo was actually against the saints in 2020 when we came from about 40 points down. At the time they were seen as contenders, but soon unsurprisingly turned out to be just pretenders.
The top sides have pretty much all dispatched us with ease in the last 2 seasons. Against sides like brisbane, port, Geelong, Melbourne last year, the doggies - the opposition have all had the points in the bag by the 3 quarter siren. That’s my main point.

I pretty much agree with this but I honestly thought Sydney peaked in the first half of the season. They started the season by knocking off Brisbane at the Gabba. We played quite well against them. We completely bottomed out in the second half of the return clash

 

[Lach72]

LOL, Really. He is well set into the team. Mr Reliable. He led the defence the last couple of years when we fielded a midget back line.
He is as safe as churches.

Jeez...I didn't say he wouldn't be in the team...but watch his ball use

 

[arsesmart]

The average age of the team running out week to week is one of the most telling stats when you want to predict performance. There seems to be a tipping point around 24.5 years. But you could also look at some array stats and how age and experience are distributed (eg how many in the 18-21 bracket, 22-26 bracket, 27-31 bracket, 32+ etc) across the teams. So older teams (24.5+ years) will have a much stronger record than younger teams (>24.5 years) and that trend gets stronger the bigger the discrepancy.

I haven't looked at them all, but being one of the youngest teams running out there week to week (and generally with a lower experience to age ratio on top of that) I'd say we'd perform pretty favourably on both age/experience discrepancy over the past few years. It's pretty much expected we'd lose more than we'd win against top sides as they will be much better equipped in terms of age and experience. This year, as a whole, we should be an older and more experienced group week to week than we were last year, especially if we can keep our key players on the park.

 

[Lach72]

West Coast have 24 to pick from this week...maybe 25 if Ryan comes back from Rona isolation.

This is just a get fit game...

I agree with Yeti to an extent...our lack of consistency gives me an eye twitch and leaves me lacking confidence...however...

I see some really good natural development from this group...and an attitude to match...

I feel comfortable that we have Mundy, Fyfe and Walters covered over the next few years...and the key planks are very young now.

Pav was 31 when Lyon came, Sandi similar...Mundy 27. Yes they were backed up by an emerging 2008 draft crop


But I think the depth is better now...
I'm happier with Mitch in the team than I was De Boer for instance.

And with the last few drafts looking very solid, I think we can really start drafting for needs now.
I'd like an elite small forward and a good CHB in the next few drafts

 

[Lach72]

The average age of the team running out week to week is one of the most telling stats when you want to predict performance. There seems to be a tipping point around 24.5 years. But you could also look at some array stats and how age and experience are distributed (eg how many in the 18-21 bracket, 22-26 bracket, 27-31 bracket, 32+ etc) across the teams. So older teams (24.5+ years) will have a much stronger record than younger teams (>24.5 years) and that trend gets stronger the bigger the discrepancy.

I haven't looked at them all, but being one of the youngest teams running out there week to week (and generally with a lower experience to age ratio on top of that) I'd say we'd perform pretty favourably on both age/experience discrepancy over the past few years. It's pretty much expected we'd lose more than we'd win against top sides as they will be much better equipped in terms of age and experience. This year, as a whole, we should be an older and more experienced group week to week than we were last year, especially if we can keep our key players on the park.

This is true, and we added Brodie and Clark who are experienced but in this age group too

 

[Eski3]

I think hindsight will determine that the biggest off season acquisition we made this year was Jaymie Graham

Jaymie Graham

Age

43

Ht

196cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.2

3star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

0.4

3star

 

[Scham]

I think hindsight will determine that the biggest off season acquisition we made this year was Jaymie Graham

There's absolutely no doubt that any improvement to our forwardline, scoring, and connection with midfield and defence will be attributed to him, so yes, you're right, that's what will be determined.

 

[arsesmart]

I think hindsight will determine that the biggest off season acquisition we made this year was Jaymie Graham

It's so hard to tell. There could be any number of the other factors that have changed from last year to this, that made a more critical difference. From the outside, he seems a quality individual and coach, but there are many moving parts. Hopefully, more of an impact will come from a culmination of the number of previous years work, development and decision making, because that would be more baked in and longer-lasting.

I half wonder how much people are overbuying into the WC halo effect. It's understandable given how much the local media inflates their tyres... when in reality they haven't been all that great over the past few years.

 

[raffrox]

Still haven't because we still are. Until we're not I'll be holding my current POV.

But you keep on carrying the can for us being premiers this year. Really hope your right but as I said a few months ago I don't think it's finals for us this year we are probably another 12 months off.

Nice strawman argument there. Premiers or we're shit hey?

Good to see you're not getting desperate to justify your opinion.

 

[Van_Dyke]

Jeez...I didn't say he wouldn't be in the team...but watch his ball use

yeah he's obviously cemented into the b22 and isn't going to come out anytime soon, but his disposal for sure isn't on the level of some of the others. he can tend to just go for a 50m bomb after taking his time to look for an option

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Nice strawman argument there. Premiers or we're sh*t hey?

Good to see you're not getting desperate to justify your opinion.

To be honest, from what I’ve seen Yeti has always basically had two levels

• Competing for a flag: Good
• Everything else: Shit

Do I agree with his criteria, no, but he’s consistent haha

 

[Yeti]

Nice strawman argument there. Premiers or we're sh*t hey?

Good to see you're not getting desperate to justify your opinion.

Big man on campus. No idea what a straw man is but I am clear that I am not expecting finals.

Geez you have a bee in your bonnet after one practice game. I hope you are vindicated with all the grand standing you are doing.

 

[Taylor]

No idea what a straw man is but I am clear that I am not expecting finals.

A straw man is where someone re-frames your position or sets up a comparison to something else that is easy to discredit or debunk. Basically where someone avoids talking about what you actually said and argues a point you didn't make. A man made of straw doesn't have a brain or substance.

As an example:
"I think we should make it harder to get into studying education at University to improve literacy and numeracy in schools"
The strawman is "I think that's a bad idea because we shouldn't be reducing the numbers of people studying education"

Which wasn't the argument. The discussion is clearly about the standard of the students, not the number of them.