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Who is the unlikely player who will spend most of the year in the reserves

  • Sloane

    Votes: 4 4.7%
  • Crouch

    Votes: 53 62.4%
  • O"Brien

    Votes: 2 2.4%
  • Keays

    Votes: 2 2.4%
  • Walker

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • Himmelberg

    Votes: 36 42.4%
  • Doedee

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Schoenberg

    Votes: 23 27.1%
  • Milera

    Votes: 6 7.1%

  • Total voters
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If he’s going to chop out in ruck at AFL level it does him absolutely no harm rucking in SANFL and improving his ruckwork. He can also use his mobility, find the football and improve his confidence playing on the ball.

I‘m wanting to see him develop into a gun key forward, but for now have no issues at all with him rucking in the SANFL.
He’s not getting a game because his forward craft isn’t as good as his ruckwork, it’s the coaches words, so developing him as a ruck in the SANFL and not a forward is beyond stupid
 
Just finished watching the trial match.

TT was BOG by a country mile. Anyone interested go watch the last quarter. He was also v good in the first. Get him in the 1’s stat.

I didn’t notice Taylor so much but it’s always hard to see what inside players are doing when you’re watching on a single wide angle shot.

brayden cook very good of a hbf, and nank good off the other. Only other player worth mentioning is sholl who got plenty of it.

ned is a headless chook, but we already knew that.
 

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Just finished watching the trial match.

TT was BOG by a country mile. Anyone interested go watch the last quarter. He was also v good in the first. Get him in the 1’s stat.

I didn’t notice Taylor so much but it’s always hard to see what inside players are doing when you’re watching on a single wide angle shot.

brayden cook very good of a hbf, and nank good off the other. Only other player worth mentioning is sholl who got plenty of it.

ned is a headless chook, but we already knew that.
Agree that its hard to watch and pick everything up when the footage is as it was..

But Taylor was the lad consistently winning the footy from stoppages and nailing passes onto the chests of our leading forwards!
 
So… thats thebby oval eh..

-Scoreboard doesnt work
-Weeds growing everywhere
  • fallen Tree branches everywhere not even cleaned up.
  • boundary fencing behind the goals broken and fallen over.
  • no shade for supporters for most of the ground.
-sponsors dont even bother maintaining their signage on the boundary fences

What a fxxkn shithole.

And these so called “locals” think that having it remain “as is” is worth fighting for.

The Crows really should look elsewhere and let these “local” flogs have it.
 
He’s not getting a game because his forward craft isn’t as good as his ruckwork, it’s the coaches words, so developing him as a ruck in the SANFL and not a forward is beyond stupid

Still playing midfield he gets around heaps of contests, helps build his tank, still gets contested marking situations

I don’t see him playing out of the goal square moving forward - a roving (as most are) centre half forward so some ruck time in the Sanfl won’t hurt


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Still playing midfield he gets around heaps of contests, helps build his tank, still gets contested marking situations

I don’t see him playing out of the goal square moving forward - a roving (as most are) centre half forward so some ruck time in the Sanfl won’t hurt


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The thing is - this is a guy who already averages elite disposal numbers for a key forward in the SANFL. He's not a Fogarty where you could at least argue this part needs work. It is already humming.

The only thing Thilly could gain out of this is some ruck development and even then, we've got Thilly wrong if we're considering this direction. This is not only a CHF, this is a CHF who has a serious shot at ending up the best player in football.
 
The thing is - this is a guy who already averages elite disposal numbers for a key forward in the SANFL. He's not a Fogarty where you could at least argue this part needs work. It is already humming.

The only thing Thilly could gain out of this is some ruck development and even then, we've got Thilly wrong if we're considering this direction. This is not only a CHF, this is a CHF who has a serious shot at ending up the best player in football.

SANFL can provide confidence. Remind him that he can dominate at a senior level. I am sure kicking 4 and being best on would have done him the world of good - even in a trial game


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SANFL can provide confidence. Remind him that he can dominate at a senior level. I am sure kicking 4 and being best on would have done him the world of good - even in a trial game


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It can't even provide that. Thilthorpe showed last year that he is multiple levels above the SANFL and doesn't need to put in much effort to dominate. Confidence isn't earned by beating up (relative) scrubs. There needs to be some challenge to it.

At this point, we may as well play him against the U12s. It'll do just as much good as the SANFL and at least doesn't risk injury.
 
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Happy 59th birthday Garry McIntosh
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Born on the 16th of March 1964.
During the 1980s as, in terms of its status, influence and economic authority, the VFL rapidly developed into a ‘league apart’, concepts such as loyalty and commitment on the part of players began increasingly to be viewed as either anachronistic or absurd. This was particularly so in relation to those competitions - notably the SANFL and WAFL - which were developing into little more than breeding grounds for VFL talent. Whereas in the 1960s, players like Craig Bradley, Rob Wiley, John Platten, Simon Beasley and the like would have happily played out their careers in their home states, comfortable in the knowledge that they were playing football of elite standard in the company of some of the finest players in the land, by the early '80s it was apparent that Melbourne was the game’s indisputable ‘Mecca’, in terms both of playing standards and overall significance. Champion players who opted to stay at home in defiance of what was becoming an almost irresistible pull eastwards were very much the exception rather than the rule.
In South Australia, the absolute quintessence of this kind of exception was manifest in Norwood’s hyper-aggressive and formidably talented centreman Garry McIntosh. Not even the admission to the expanded VFL competition - re-named ‘the Australian Football League’ in 1990 - of a local club, the Adelaide Crows, could persuade ‘Macca’ to compromise his principles. As Mike Coward eloquently observed,
McIntosh is an anachronism, given that he was a product of the avaricious and uncaring 1980s. While his unremittingly hard and distinctive style of play is well suited to the 1990s, his football philosophy belongs to another time. He is not driven by the prospect of fame and fortune but by a deep and abiding love for his club. He is a loyalist who will not be compromised; cannot be bought, as Neil Craig once observed. As the man who led Norwood into the 1990s he symbolised solidarity; the unshakeable cornerstone of the playing staff at an uncertain time in the evolution of the game in South Australia.¹
If McIntosh, who made his league debut for the Redlegs in 1982, and went on to amass a club record 336 games over the course of the next 17 seasons, ultimately became synonymous with Norwood, there was nevertheless an element of paradox about the inextricable association which developed between the working class, plain speaking, belligerently unkempt former Hope Valley junior and the arch ‘blue-bloods’ of the Parade.
If he looked somewhat out of place alongside the well-groomed likes of Michael Aish, Danny Jenkins, Phil Gallagher and Tom Warhurst, Macca’s impact on the team was every bit as pronounced, and was apparent right from the start. In his debut season he was a key contributor - indeed, in the view of many observers, the best player afield - as the Redlegs overwhelmed Glenelg on Grand Final day to the tune of 62 points. Two years later he was again conspicuous as Norwood overcame its arch nemesis Port Adelaide by nine points after battling its way through to the decisive match of the season from the elimination final.
As staunchly committed to South Australia as he was to the Redlegs - somewhat ironically, given that his father was a New South Welshman - McIntosh was often at his best in interstate matches, of which he would undoubtedly have played many more than his final tally of 12 had the state of origin selectors not elected, with dubious logic, to discount SANFL-based players from consideration following the arrival on the scene of the Crows. One reason for suggesting that the state selectors’ logic was ‘dubious’ was that, during the mid-1990s, Garry McIntosh produced probably the finest football of his career, on a par with virtually anything on show in the AFL at the time. Magarey Medallist in 1994 and ‘95, he would undoubtedly have derived much greater satisfaction from leading his beloved Redlegs to a comprehensive premiership triumph in 1997 over the team that had dominated the SANFL for much of the preceding decade, Port Adelaide.
After retiring as a player in 1998, McIntosh fulfilled another ambition when he replaced Neville Roberts as senior coach of the club in 2002. When, two years later, it was announced, following the team’s worst run for over 30 years, that his contract would not be renewed, he demonstrated trademark loyalty and maturity by agreeing to remain in post until the end of the season.
Over 20 years after Garry McIntosh made his senior playing debut with the Redlegs, the football landscape has altered substantially and irrevocably, in some cases for the better, in others emphatically not. One way in which the game has irreversibly deteriorated is that it is extremely doubtful if it will ever again permit a player of the principles, attitude and qualities of Garry McIntosh to emerge, let alone to flourish and entertain for the better part of two decades.
Author - John Devaney
Footnotes
1. Men of Norwood: the Red and Blue Blooded by Mike Coward, page 127.
Sources
Full Points Footy's SA Football https://australianfootball.com/.../garry%2Bmcintosh/276
(McIntosh with the guernsey he wore in the 1984 series. Picture Sarah Reed)
 
Posting this mainly for 2 of the biggest pain in the arse posters on this board....the subject matter should make it obvious who they are..

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Happy 59th birthday Garry McIntosh
🎂

Born on the 16th of March 1964.
During the 1980s as, in terms of its status, influence and economic authority, the VFL rapidly developed into a ‘league apart’, concepts such as loyalty and commitment on the part of players began increasingly to be viewed as either anachronistic or absurd. This was particularly so in relation to those competitions - notably the SANFL and WAFL - which were developing into little more than breeding grounds for VFL talent. Whereas in the 1960s, players like Craig Bradley, Rob Wiley, John Platten, Simon Beasley and the like would have happily played out their careers in their home states, comfortable in the knowledge that they were playing football of elite standard in the company of some of the finest players in the land, by the early '80s it was apparent that Melbourne was the game’s indisputable ‘Mecca’, in terms both of playing standards and overall significance. Champion players who opted to stay at home in defiance of what was becoming an almost irresistible pull eastwards were very much the exception rather than the rule.
In South Australia, the absolute quintessence of this kind of exception was manifest in Norwood’s hyper-aggressive and formidably talented centreman Garry McIntosh. Not even the admission to the expanded VFL competition - re-named ‘the Australian Football League’ in 1990 - of a local club, the Adelaide Crows, could persuade ‘Macca’ to compromise his principles. As Mike Coward eloquently observed,
McIntosh is an anachronism, given that he was a product of the avaricious and uncaring 1980s. While his unremittingly hard and distinctive style of play is well suited to the 1990s, his football philosophy belongs to another time. He is not driven by the prospect of fame and fortune but by a deep and abiding love for his club. He is a loyalist who will not be compromised; cannot be bought, as Neil Craig once observed. As the man who led Norwood into the 1990s he symbolised solidarity; the unshakeable cornerstone of the playing staff at an uncertain time in the evolution of the game in South Australia.¹
If McIntosh, who made his league debut for the Redlegs in 1982, and went on to amass a club record 336 games over the course of the next 17 seasons, ultimately became synonymous with Norwood, there was nevertheless an element of paradox about the inextricable association which developed between the working class, plain speaking, belligerently unkempt former Hope Valley junior and the arch ‘blue-bloods’ of the Parade.
If he looked somewhat out of place alongside the well-groomed likes of Michael Aish, Danny Jenkins, Phil Gallagher and Tom Warhurst, Macca’s impact on the team was every bit as pronounced, and was apparent right from the start. In his debut season he was a key contributor - indeed, in the view of many observers, the best player afield - as the Redlegs overwhelmed Glenelg on Grand Final day to the tune of 62 points. Two years later he was again conspicuous as Norwood overcame its arch nemesis Port Adelaide by nine points after battling its way through to the decisive match of the season from the elimination final.
As staunchly committed to South Australia as he was to the Redlegs - somewhat ironically, given that his father was a New South Welshman - McIntosh was often at his best in interstate matches, of which he would undoubtedly have played many more than his final tally of 12 had the state of origin selectors not elected, with dubious logic, to discount SANFL-based players from consideration following the arrival on the scene of the Crows. One reason for suggesting that the state selectors’ logic was ‘dubious’ was that, during the mid-1990s, Garry McIntosh produced probably the finest football of his career, on a par with virtually anything on show in the AFL at the time. Magarey Medallist in 1994 and ‘95, he would undoubtedly have derived much greater satisfaction from leading his beloved Redlegs to a comprehensive premiership triumph in 1997 over the team that had dominated the SANFL for much of the preceding decade, Port Adelaide.
After retiring as a player in 1998, McIntosh fulfilled another ambition when he replaced Neville Roberts as senior coach of the club in 2002. When, two years later, it was announced, following the team’s worst run for over 30 years, that his contract would not be renewed, he demonstrated trademark loyalty and maturity by agreeing to remain in post until the end of the season.
Over 20 years after Garry McIntosh made his senior playing debut with the Redlegs, the football landscape has altered substantially and irrevocably, in some cases for the better, in others emphatically not. One way in which the game has irreversibly deteriorated is that it is extremely doubtful if it will ever again permit a player of the principles, attitude and qualities of Garry McIntosh to emerge, let alone to flourish and entertain for the better part of two decades.
Author - John Devaney
Footnotes
1. Men of Norwood: the Red and Blue Blooded by Mike Coward, page 127.
Sources
Full Points Footy's SA Football https://australianfootball.com/.../garry%2Bmcintosh/276
(McIntosh with the guernsey he wore in the 1984 series. Picture Sarah Reed)
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Just finished watching the trial match.

TT was BOG by a country mile. Anyone interested go watch the last quarter. He was also v good in the first. Get him in the 1’s stat.

I didn’t notice Taylor so much but it’s always hard to see what inside players are doing when you’re watching on a single wide angle shot.

brayden cook very good of a hbf, and nank good off the other. Only other player worth mentioning is sholl who got plenty of it.

ned is a headless chook, but we already knew that.
Yet we chose Brown as a sub last Saturday. :mad:
 
Right-e-o, I'm unwell and have the stream fired up. I look forward to repeating the phrase "why the hell didn't we select Thilthorpe" a couple hundred times throughout the next two hours.
 
Right-e-o, I'm unwell and have the stream fired up. I look forward to repeating the phrase "why the hell didn't we select Thilthorpe" a couple hundred times throughout the next two hours.
If your saw his form in the pre season you would see why.

He needed a good wake up call as he was dropping marks and not getting involved as much as he should in the play he looked slow and lethargic

He has got that so Now he is ready to return
 
Why don't we want him to be a ruck?

Having him in the midfield 80% of the game with his skillset is NOT a bad thing - he'd be smashing it for contested marks and linking play, which ruckmen just don't do.

I don't think we should be fixated on him as a key forward - having impact all over the ground would be great.
He can have impact around the ground without being the number 1 ruck
 

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He can have impact around the ground without being the number 1 ruck
Exactly...there's a gulf between the Rucks running around in the SANFL these days and current day AFL rucks, if he comes in it should be for Himmelberg.
 
Q1 thoughts:

Thilthorpe is absolutely dominant. Won most hitouts, probably 10 disposals, 2 clearances and a goal. Going pretty hard at some marking contests as well, which if you had to say there was a flaw to Thillys game, it's been that.

My dudes and dudettes. McHenry kicked a 60 m point (with one bounce). Whatever he did this offseason has worked. Played well that quarter, and getting rolled through the midfield, with Adelaide scoring off his one clean center clearance. Considering Adelaides midfield makeup, this does seem like a dead end kind of move.

Nankervis took all of the kick outs which was interesting. Hasn't put a foot wrong, but hopefully this is just a move to try to refine his kicking for a few weeks before putting him in the midfield.

Murphy played well whilst he was on. Seems like he's still got that neck issue though. Combined well with Newchurch to set up our first goal and got himself one as well. Newchurch also scored a nice snap, so our small forwards are having a game at the moment.

Jones is a dumb footballer, and he really had a quarter showing why he's a dumb footballer. The highlight was getting a HTB call, and immediately taking advantage to underground handball to a Thilthorpe who wasn't paying attention.

Cook has looked good in defense for the couple of plays he's been in.

Borlase looks ok in the ruck.

Q2 thoughts:

Gollant gets two, one from a setshot off a lovely kick by Taylor, the other picking off a loose ball near the goal line.

Taylor has been a lot more involved this quarter. Capped off with a very classy snap out of congestion.

Thilthorpe faded as the quarter went on, though I guess a 40 disposal/4 goal game was probably a tad too much to ask.

Sholl has played the wing role well, so far. Linking up a bit and gets a goal using a slick side step to open up a shot. Putting a bit of pressure on Hinge.

Hamill is having a dirty game.

Imagine getting reported in a trial game. Top up #49 doesn't need to imagine that.

Q3 thoughts:

Really rough start by Adelaide. Almost a carbon copy to the first half of the third quarter to GWS with how little fluency there is.

Oh Nank. Gut punching a opposition after he took a mark because they got in your face whilst an umpire is looking is not what we'd call smart.

The quarter was a slog. Taylor, McHenry, Cook and Thilthorpe played well, but it was Glenelg who had all of the ascendancy.

I'd like to say Jones played well, seeing he's involved, but he has an amazing ability to shoot himself in the foot anytime he starts to get some momentum to his game.

Q4 thoughts

Honestly, nothing that I haven't already written.

Cook looks seriously good at half back. Dawson like.

Thilthorpe kept on. Probably should have ended up with 6, seeing he let a couple of set shots he'd usually make go to waste. Good luck finding an excuse to keep him out this week.
 
Hamill is having a dirty game.

Imagine getting reported in a trial game. Top up #49 doesn't need to imagine that.
Hamiil has developed an innate ability to get caught htb nearly every time he gets a possession. Mind you, he was on the receiving end of more than his fair share of teammates making it someone elses problem ...

#49 is Louis Sharrad. Doesnt mind getting up close and personal with the opposition, does Louis.
 
I'm guessing he was running full pelt when he kicked that?

Yup. Still, that ball did carry 50-55 m. Neddy has a leg on him now.

Hamiil has developed an innate ability to get caught htb nearly every time he gets a possession. Mind you, he was on the receiving end of more than his fair share of teammates making it someone elses problem ...

#49 is Louis Sharrad. Doesnt mind getting up close and personal with the opposition, does Louis.

Yup, Taylor sold him into trouble multiple times, in particular. Well, more Taylor was in trouble and let Hamill take the fall for it.
 

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