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Third best. McKercher looks a top 4 pick. Reid is probably more multifaceted type. Not necessarily a pure mid.

McKercher has the skills but I worry about an inside mid that size making it at AFL level. He's not going to be able to push through the way he does now so will need to evolve his game. Bit of Will Phillips 'long term project' about him.

Not saying he won't make it (far from it) but I think Sanders could start on ball round 1 and have an impact.
 
McKercher has the skills but I worry about an inside mid that size making it at AFL level. He's not going to be able to push through the way he does now so will need to evolve his game. Bit of Will Phillips 'long term project' about him.

Not saying he won't make it (far from it) but I think Sanders could start on ball round 1 and have an impact.


I think he'll be absolutely top shelf. I think he's the best pure mid in the draft and he's got pace, ability break lines and skills.....and can kick a goal. I'd almost say he's got the most upside of any player in the draft. If he ends up as good as he looks he could be better than Reid even IMO.

He's 180 cm and around 76 to 78 kgs. Neale is 177cm and 84. Merrett is 180cm and 82kgs.

Sanders looks great too but he's potentially that sort of one position inside accumulator that are a bit easier to find. Think he'll be at least a good player though. Maybe just a bit less star factor. He's also got the mans frame so been a bit easier to win his own ball.

 

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I think he'll be absolutely top shelf. I think he's the best pure mid in the draft and he's got pace, ability break lines and skills.....and can kick a goal. I'd almost say he's got the most upside of any player in the draft. If he ends up as good as he looks he could be better than Reid even IMO.





If a future first plus 13 got 4 and 4 got McKercher.....I'd support that as a supporter. He's a 10 year A grade mid.
 
I think he'll be absolutely top shelf. I think he's the best pure mid in the draft and he's got pace, ability break lines and skills.....and can kick a goal. I'd almost say he's got the most upside of any player in the draft. If he ends up as good as he looks he could be better than Reid even IMO.

He's 180 cm and around 76 to 78 kgs. Neale is 177cm and 84. Merrett is 180cm and 82kgs.

Sanders looks great too but he's potentially that sort of one position inside accumulator that are a bit easier to find. Think he'll be at least a good player though. Maybe just a bit less star factor. He's also got the mans frame so been a bit easier to win his own ball.


Mckercher to me will be the best player in the draft. His skillset is very rare. Usually guys with his skill level are not s good at accumulating at u18 level. His deceptively strong and his performances this year have been as good as anyone at the same age.
 
If a future first plus 13 got 4 and 4 got McKercher.....I'd support that as a supporter. He's a 10 year A grade mid.


I reckon he's got star quality even. He's almost my favourite player in the draft. The pace off a step, the Dusty fend offs, the skills. I just wish we could get hold of him. I could easily see him being the best player in this draft.
 
Mckercher to me will be the best player in the draft. His skillset is very rare. Usually guys with his skill level are not s good at accumulating at u18 level. His deceptively strong and his performances this year have been as good as anyone at the same age.


Just wrote the same thing. Definitely, he has some Dusty, some some Stuv etc but kicks left foot lasers. One of the nicest kicks in the draft but wins the ball and moves it out so fast that no-one can stay near him. And then he makes lengths on anyone chasing if he gets out into space.
 
I reckon he's got star quality even. He's almost my favourite player in the draft. The pace off a step, the Dusty fend offs, the skills. I just wish we could get hold of him. I could easily see him being the best player in this draft.
yea in the last 15 years, in terms of performance, skill and potential I think he's right up there. To compare him to say Reid, I think Mckercher will come in and average 30 straight away with elite skill from the outset.
 
I think he'll be absolutely top shelf. I think he's the best pure mid in the draft and he's got pace, ability break lines and skills.....and can kick a goal. I'd almost say he's got the most upside of any player in the draft. If he ends up as good as he looks he could be better than Reid even IMO.

He's 180 cm and around 76 to 78 kgs. Neale is 177cm and 84. Merrett is 180cm and 82kgs.

Sanders looks great too but he's potentially that sort of one position inside accumulator that are a bit easier to find. Think he'll be at least a good player though. Maybe just a bit less star factor. He's also got the mans frame so been a bit easier to win his own ball.


That first clip is insane.
 

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Some options for our pick #40 later in the draft (Cooper Simpson is a player I had previously overlooked) -


LUKE LLOYD
A 193cm forward, Lloyd emerged as a draft bolter in the second half of the year. He was unsighted at the under-18 national championships, after missing selection for Vic Metro following an early-season quad injury. However, Lloyd kicked 19 goals in a game for school side De La Salle in May to put his potential on show. His marking is a feature of his game and he booted eight goals across his final three games of the season for Sandringham Dragons in the Coates Talent League, including two majors in a winning grand final.

CALSHER DEAR
A 195cm forward, Dear had a solid second half of the season for Sandringham Dragons in the Coates Talent League to attract some late AFL attention. He played as a forward and back-up ruck for the Dragons and particularly caught the eye in the grand final as he logged 13 disposals, 14 hit-outs, three marks and kicked two goals. Dear’s mobility for a big man and ability to win the footy in the air and at ground level are his big strengths. He is eligible to join Hawthorn as a father-son, being the son of the late Paul Dear who played 123 games and won a premiership with the club in 1991.

COOPER SIMPSON
Somewhat of a forgotten man, Simpson has slid down draft boards through little fault of his own, with an injury during the championships sidelining him for a critical part of the season. But his finish to year for the Dandenong Stingrays was a reminder of his x-factor as a midfielder, booting 2 goals from 20 disposals in his final outing. Simpson has a great sidestep in traffic and can break a game open with his penetrating kick, burst and ability to hit the scoreboard, averaging 21.5 disposals and just under a goal per game at Coates Talent League level. Had impressive results across the board at the combine and also received a VFL opportunity for Casey earlier in the year.

WILL GRAHAM
The 186cm midfielder has been the forgotten fourth Gold Coast Suns Academy member in this year’s draft pool. Three first-round draft locks from the Suns’ Academy – Jed Walter, Ethan Read and Jake Rogers – have been heavily talked about. However, Graham is a solid prospect in his own right. A potential top-40 pick, he can play as an inside midfielder or on a wing and has strong athletic traits which shone through at the recent national draft combine. Graham finished second in the 20m sprint, equal-second in the vertical jump and equal-third in the running vertical jump.

CAIDEN CLEARY
Cleary was the fourth ranked player at the national championships, finishing second for tackles, fourth most disposals and equal fourth for contested possessions. Yet the hard-nosed Swans Academy prospect may not attract a bid inside the first two rounds of the draft. Cleary isn’t overly quick and there are knocks over his kicking, but he is one of the best inside ball-winners in the pool. The 182cm midfielder tackles like his life depends on it and his performances have stacked up against men, playing six games for Sydney at VFL level, with his five centre-clearances, 22 disposals and 102 ranking points against GWS Giants’ VFL side the highlight. He also can run all day, clocking the fifth best 2km trial time result at the draft combine. Cleary is expected to be matched by the Swans, but after their three acquisitions during the trade and free agency period, they may only take two or three picks in the national draft.

WIL DAWSON
A versatile tall, Dawson measured 200.3cm at the national draft combine and is still growing. Gippsland Power required him in defence this year and he impressed in that position. However, Dawson is seen as a natural forward and back-up ruck, which is where he featured in his bottom-age season in 2022. While not a finished product just yet, there is plenty of excitement about what Dawson could become given his size, competitive nature, one-on-one contest wins and ability to be clean below his knees. He has met with just about every club, suggesting he will likely land somewhere.

SHAUN MANNAGH
Clubs after a plug and play mature-ager who can find the footy with ease and consistently hit the scoreboard, look no further. Mannagh put an exclamation point on his dominant VFL season with an incredible grand final performance, booting six goals and racking up 28 disposals to win the best-on-ground medal in Werribee’s loss to Gold Coast. You have to have make a significant impact to get drafted at 26, but Mannagh did just that at VFL level this season as a midfielder-forward, averaging 25 disposals, 7.8 score involvements, 5.6 tackles 4.7 clearances, 1.9 goals and 117 ranking points per game. Players who can break games open in the forward half while winning 20 disposals are hard to find, and Mannagh is well worth the punt.

COOPER TREMBATH
A 193cm tall, Trembath took to his first season in defence like a duck to water this year. He was overlooked for Vic Metro’s under-18 national championships squad, but starred in the middle and later part of the year for the Eastern Ranges as a strong-marking and intercepting backman. In a round 7 match in the Coates Talent League, Trembath racked up 17 disposals and 14 marks including eight intercept marks. He has quickly learnt when to go for his marks and when to spoil and how to position his body. Trembath can play on mid-sized forwards but also a little bit bigger and has drawn comparisons to Greater Western Sydney’s Connor Idun.

MICHAEL RUDD
Rudd was equal fifth for goals per game at the national championships after an eye-catching carnival for Vic Country, but he was left off the national combine invite list. Club concerns centre on the medium forward’s speed, but what Rudd does have is a huge engine and strong hands overhead. Rudd showcased this at the state combine where he came equal-fifth in the 2km time trial (6:17). At 192cm, Rudd plays in a similar vein to Collingwood premiership forward Brody Mihocek and could prove to be a hidden gem for a club after a marking forward with relentless workrate.

TAYLOR GOAD
The equal-tallest player at the national draft combine, Goad measured in at a towering 206.2cm. However, despite his size he is incredibly athletic and finished eighth in both the 20m sprint and vertical jump tests. Goad featured as a ruckman for South Australia in all four games of the under-18 national championships and continued his good form in the second half of the season for South Adelaide in the SANFL under-18s. He is agile, has good skills and is super competitive. Goad only began to focus on football again last year, having previously prioritised basketball.

KANE MCAULIFFE
A 187cm utility from North Adelaide, McAuliffe has some fans and showcased his incredible athletic abilities at the national draft combine. He finished third in the running vertical jump and fifth in both the vertical jump and the 20m sprint tests. He was also the first South Australian across the line in the 2km time trial, finishing in a time of 6min 26sec. A member of the AFL Academy this year, McAuliffe was restricted at times by a groin injury. However, the penetrating left-footer led the way in the midfield for South Australia at the national championships and impressed across seven SANFL reserves matches in the second half of the year.

LOGAN EVANS
A strong start to the season saw Evans crack into the Norwood’s senior side from the get-go, tallying 18 disposals in a promising league debut. The rangy defender has spent time at all three levels this season but has played most of his footy in Norwood’s reserves, where he has averaged 15.2 disposals, 5.8 intercepts and 91 ranking points across 10 matches. His national championships could have been better, but as his national combine snub proves, Evans’ season has flown under the radar. The 189cm prospect reads the play well, has tidy skills and isn’t afraid to get his hands dirty defensively

REECE TORRENT
A 184cm midfielder or rebounding halfback, Torrent had a solid national championships with Western Australia and made an even better finish to the season. He made his senior WAFL debut for Peel Thunder in the final round of the regular season, showing good composure and kicking a goal. He runs hard and can break the lines, can win his own ball when playing inside and hits targets when on the outside with his nice left foot. Torrent placed seventh in the agility test at the national draft combine, while also performing well in the 2km time trial with a time of 6min 24sec.

KOEN SANCHEZ
May not have eye-catching traits of WA bolter Lance Collard, but Sanchez is a hardworking half-forward who is always keeping himself busy. Sanchez had a consistent national carnival where he averaged 17.8 disposals, 6.0 score involvments, 1.5 goals and 102 ranking points, with his three goals against Vic Metro the highlight. The East Fremantle prospect is very clean below his knees, has deft footskills and is a great decision maker. Sanchez has racked up large possession tallies as a midfielder at WAFL Colts level, suggesting he can pinch hit in the midfield at the next level. Sanchez has also made the step up to WAFL Reserves level and didn’t look out of place.

BAILEY VAN DE HEUVEL
The dearth of key defenders in the AFL saw the 25-year-old burst onto the draft radar, with his invite to the state combine evidence of club interest. After crossing from Footscray to Geelong’s VFL side, Van De Heuvel went to anothett level at the back end of the season, averaging 18.2 disposals, 8.3 marks, 7.8 intercept possessions and 4.8 marks in his last five games. This was all while working as an electrician during the week. At 200cm, Van De Heuvel can win the ball back off the opposition with his reading of the play and overhead marking, and he is ultra competitive defensively. Geelong VFL coach Mark Corrigan views him as a mature-ager with significant upside given he has never been in a full-time program. Could he be the latest Cats VFL graduate to be promoted to Geelong list?

SAM CLOHESY
The Fothergill-Round-Mitchell Medal has been a golden ticket into the AFL for mature-age talents, with Ethan Phillips (2022) the first recipient in the last 16 years who didn’t go on to get drafted. Clohesy, the older brother of 2022 Geelong draftee Ted, was recognised with the award after coming on in leaps and bounds this year alongside Mannagh for Werribee, averaging 16.8 disposalss and 5.6 marks. The rebounding defender uses the ball well by foot, is a good size at 189cm and is strong overhead. Clohesy has played local footy all over the country and this year was his first full season playing VFL football, giving him promising upside for a club after a defender. Several clubs have shown interest, with his 26-disposal preliminary final in particular attracting attention.
 
MICHAEL RUDD
Rudd was equal fifth for goals per game at the national championships after an eye-catching carnival for Vic Country, but he was left off the national combine invite list.
By the time our pick comes by he may be gone 🤔
 

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Could we use 2x 3rd Rd next year to move up if a few sliders get through this year? Or better to wait a year?
We're in a good position to be opportunistic late in the draft but for me the numbers still add up to only 3 draftees.

I doubt any clubs will part with any 2nd round picks because GC have a 3rd of them, then fully half the 3rd round could be consumed for FS points as well.
At a guess our #40 will stay about where it is but #60 could come in 7 or 8 places, so from about #50 onwards we might see clubs wanting to bail out into next year.
I guess it's good to have the option but right now there's only 1 excess list spot available thanks to Billings departure and they might already have it earmarked for Mannagh from Werribee.
Even so, you'd still want an open spot for the SSP or MSD periods.
 
Some options for our pick #40 later in the draft (Cooper Simpson is a player I had previously overlooked) -


LUKE LLOYD
A 193cm forward, Lloyd emerged as a draft bolter in the second half of the year. He was unsighted at the under-18 national championships, after missing selection for Vic Metro following an early-season quad injury. However, Lloyd kicked 19 goals in a game for school side De La Salle in May to put his potential on show. His marking is a feature of his game and he booted eight goals across his final three games of the season for Sandringham Dragons in the Coates Talent League, including two majors in a winning grand final.

CALSHER DEAR
A 195cm forward, Dear had a solid second half of the season for Sandringham Dragons in the Coates Talent League to attract some late AFL attention. He played as a forward and back-up ruck for the Dragons and particularly caught the eye in the grand final as he logged 13 disposals, 14 hit-outs, three marks and kicked two goals. Dear’s mobility for a big man and ability to win the footy in the air and at ground level are his big strengths. He is eligible to join Hawthorn as a father-son, being the son of the late Paul Dear who played 123 games and won a premiership with the club in 1991.

COOPER SIMPSON
Somewhat of a forgotten man, Simpson has slid down draft boards through little fault of his own, with an injury during the championships sidelining him for a critical part of the season. But his finish to year for the Dandenong Stingrays was a reminder of his x-factor as a midfielder, booting 2 goals from 20 disposals in his final outing. Simpson has a great sidestep in traffic and can break a game open with his penetrating kick, burst and ability to hit the scoreboard, averaging 21.5 disposals and just under a goal per game at Coates Talent League level. Had impressive results across the board at the combine and also received a VFL opportunity for Casey earlier in the year.

WILL GRAHAM
The 186cm midfielder has been the forgotten fourth Gold Coast Suns Academy member in this year’s draft pool. Three first-round draft locks from the Suns’ Academy – Jed Walter, Ethan Read and Jake Rogers – have been heavily talked about. However, Graham is a solid prospect in his own right. A potential top-40 pick, he can play as an inside midfielder or on a wing and has strong athletic traits which shone through at the recent national draft combine. Graham finished second in the 20m sprint, equal-second in the vertical jump and equal-third in the running vertical jump.

CAIDEN CLEARY
Cleary was the fourth ranked player at the national championships, finishing second for tackles, fourth most disposals and equal fourth for contested possessions. Yet the hard-nosed Swans Academy prospect may not attract a bid inside the first two rounds of the draft. Cleary isn’t overly quick and there are knocks over his kicking, but he is one of the best inside ball-winners in the pool. The 182cm midfielder tackles like his life depends on it and his performances have stacked up against men, playing six games for Sydney at VFL level, with his five centre-clearances, 22 disposals and 102 ranking points against GWS Giants’ VFL side the highlight. He also can run all day, clocking the fifth best 2km trial time result at the draft combine. Cleary is expected to be matched by the Swans, but after their three acquisitions during the trade and free agency period, they may only take two or three picks in the national draft.

WIL DAWSON
A versatile tall, Dawson measured 200.3cm at the national draft combine and is still growing. Gippsland Power required him in defence this year and he impressed in that position. However, Dawson is seen as a natural forward and back-up ruck, which is where he featured in his bottom-age season in 2022. While not a finished product just yet, there is plenty of excitement about what Dawson could become given his size, competitive nature, one-on-one contest wins and ability to be clean below his knees. He has met with just about every club, suggesting he will likely land somewhere.

SHAUN MANNAGH
Clubs after a plug and play mature-ager who can find the footy with ease and consistently hit the scoreboard, look no further. Mannagh put an exclamation point on his dominant VFL season with an incredible grand final performance, booting six goals and racking up 28 disposals to win the best-on-ground medal in Werribee’s loss to Gold Coast. You have to have make a significant impact to get drafted at 26, but Mannagh did just that at VFL level this season as a midfielder-forward, averaging 25 disposals, 7.8 score involvements, 5.6 tackles 4.7 clearances, 1.9 goals and 117 ranking points per game. Players who can break games open in the forward half while winning 20 disposals are hard to find, and Mannagh is well worth the punt.

COOPER TREMBATH
A 193cm tall, Trembath took to his first season in defence like a duck to water this year. He was overlooked for Vic Metro’s under-18 national championships squad, but starred in the middle and later part of the year for the Eastern Ranges as a strong-marking and intercepting backman. In a round 7 match in the Coates Talent League, Trembath racked up 17 disposals and 14 marks including eight intercept marks. He has quickly learnt when to go for his marks and when to spoil and how to position his body. Trembath can play on mid-sized forwards but also a little bit bigger and has drawn comparisons to Greater Western Sydney’s Connor Idun.

MICHAEL RUDD
Rudd was equal fifth for goals per game at the national championships after an eye-catching carnival for Vic Country, but he was left off the national combine invite list. Club concerns centre on the medium forward’s speed, but what Rudd does have is a huge engine and strong hands overhead. Rudd showcased this at the state combine where he came equal-fifth in the 2km time trial (6:17). At 192cm, Rudd plays in a similar vein to Collingwood premiership forward Brody Mihocek and could prove to be a hidden gem for a club after a marking forward with relentless workrate.

TAYLOR GOAD
The equal-tallest player at the national draft combine, Goad measured in at a towering 206.2cm. However, despite his size he is incredibly athletic and finished eighth in both the 20m sprint and vertical jump tests. Goad featured as a ruckman for South Australia in all four games of the under-18 national championships and continued his good form in the second half of the season for South Adelaide in the SANFL under-18s. He is agile, has good skills and is super competitive. Goad only began to focus on football again last year, having previously prioritised basketball.

KANE MCAULIFFE
A 187cm utility from North Adelaide, McAuliffe has some fans and showcased his incredible athletic abilities at the national draft combine. He finished third in the running vertical jump and fifth in both the vertical jump and the 20m sprint tests. He was also the first South Australian across the line in the 2km time trial, finishing in a time of 6min 26sec. A member of the AFL Academy this year, McAuliffe was restricted at times by a groin injury. However, the penetrating left-footer led the way in the midfield for South Australia at the national championships and impressed across seven SANFL reserves matches in the second half of the year.

LOGAN EVANS
A strong start to the season saw Evans crack into the Norwood’s senior side from the get-go, tallying 18 disposals in a promising league debut. The rangy defender has spent time at all three levels this season but has played most of his footy in Norwood’s reserves, where he has averaged 15.2 disposals, 5.8 intercepts and 91 ranking points across 10 matches. His national championships could have been better, but as his national combine snub proves, Evans’ season has flown under the radar. The 189cm prospect reads the play well, has tidy skills and isn’t afraid to get his hands dirty defensively

REECE TORRENT
A 184cm midfielder or rebounding halfback, Torrent had a solid national championships with Western Australia and made an even better finish to the season. He made his senior WAFL debut for Peel Thunder in the final round of the regular season, showing good composure and kicking a goal. He runs hard and can break the lines, can win his own ball when playing inside and hits targets when on the outside with his nice left foot. Torrent placed seventh in the agility test at the national draft combine, while also performing well in the 2km time trial with a time of 6min 24sec.

KOEN SANCHEZ
May not have eye-catching traits of WA bolter Lance Collard, but Sanchez is a hardworking half-forward who is always keeping himself busy. Sanchez had a consistent national carnival where he averaged 17.8 disposals, 6.0 score involvments, 1.5 goals and 102 ranking points, with his three goals against Vic Metro the highlight. The East Fremantle prospect is very clean below his knees, has deft footskills and is a great decision maker. Sanchez has racked up large possession tallies as a midfielder at WAFL Colts level, suggesting he can pinch hit in the midfield at the next level. Sanchez has also made the step up to WAFL Reserves level and didn’t look out of place.

BAILEY VAN DE HEUVEL
The dearth of key defenders in the AFL saw the 25-year-old burst onto the draft radar, with his invite to the state combine evidence of club interest. After crossing from Footscray to Geelong’s VFL side, Van De Heuvel went to anothett level at the back end of the season, averaging 18.2 disposals, 8.3 marks, 7.8 intercept possessions and 4.8 marks in his last five games. This was all while working as an electrician during the week. At 200cm, Van De Heuvel can win the ball back off the opposition with his reading of the play and overhead marking, and he is ultra competitive defensively. Geelong VFL coach Mark Corrigan views him as a mature-ager with significant upside given he has never been in a full-time program. Could he be the latest Cats VFL graduate to be promoted to Geelong list?

SAM CLOHESY
The Fothergill-Round-Mitchell Medal has been a golden ticket into the AFL for mature-age talents, with Ethan Phillips (2022) the first recipient in the last 16 years who didn’t go on to get drafted. Clohesy, the older brother of 2022 Geelong draftee Ted, was recognised with the award after coming on in leaps and bounds this year alongside Mannagh for Werribee, averaging 16.8 disposalss and 5.6 marks. The rebounding defender uses the ball well by foot, is a good size at 189cm and is strong overhead. Clohesy has played local footy all over the country and this year was his first full season playing VFL football, giving him promising upside for a club after a defender. Several clubs have shown interest, with his 26-disposal preliminary final in particular attracting attention.

Simpson sounds interesting.
I suggested Sanchez earlier, but someone else said "not dirty sanchez "
 
We're in a good position to be opportunistic late in the draft but for me the numbers still add up to only 3 draftees.

I doubt any clubs will part with any 2nd round picks because GC have a 3rd of them, then fully half the 3rd round could be consumed for FS points as well.
At a guess our #40 will stay about where it is but #60 could come in 7 or 8 places, so from about #50 onwards we might see clubs wanting to bail out into next year.
I guess it's good to have the option but right now there's only 1 excess list spot available thanks to Billings departure and they might already have it earmarked for Mannagh from Werribee.
Even so, you'd still want an open spot for the SSP or MSD periods.
Thanks , all good points

Would be nice to get mannagh with billings departure
 
A 2024 Team

B. Wilkie Van Der Houvel Windhager

H.B. NWM Battle Sinclair

C. Hill Dow Wood

H.F. Butler Hayes Henry

F. Higgins King Sharman

Foll. Marshall Steele Crouch

I/C. Jones, Mannagh, Owens, Phillipou, McKenzie

Emerg. Caminiti, Heath, Hotton

Draft Picks:
1. H.DeMattia, 2. Will Dawson, 3. Taylor Goad
PSD?: Mannagh, Van Der Houvel
 
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A 2024 Team

B. Wilkie Van Der Houvel Windhager

H.B. NWM Battle Sinclair

C. Hill Dow Wood

H.F. Butler Hayes Henry

F. Higgins King Sharman

Foll. Marshall Steele Crouch

I/C. Jones, Mannagh, Owens, Phillipou, McKenzie

Emerg. Caminiti, Heath, Hotton

Draft Picks:
1. H.DeMattia, 2. Will Dawson, Taylor Goad
PSD?: Mannagh, Van Der Houvel
Clark at Sandy? Surely he's getting a go on the emergencies over Hotton
 

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