Prediction 2023 Ladder Prediction Thread

[adammania9]

What rubbish.

I spoke of Melbourne because I answered a poster who was referencing Melbourne.

Why would I mention other teams when I'm having a conversation about a specific team ?

Every club might have ''fixable issues'' to a degree, but Melbourne have a proven premiership list. Most other clubs don't.

You mentioned Collingwood champ, not me

 

[Trav 20]

You mentioned Collingwood champ, not me

You staed that the ''time in front'' stat was a typical ESPN stat.

It wasn't, it was a Fox Footy stat.

I said I understand why you'd sneer at such a stat, because Collingwood's was low.

You need to google the word context.

 

[Fizza]

Just some general predictions, trade period could change some prospects eg. If Richmond get Taranto and Hopper. So doing this pre trade period, based on current teams

Feel like you got the certs:
Top 4- Geelong, Melbourne
Top 8- Collingwood, Sydney, Fremantle, Carlton
Bottom 4- West Coast, North Melbourne
Bottom 8-Hawthorn, Adelaide, Essendon

Those who could go either way and are chance of making finals:

High prospects - Western Bulldogs, Port Adelaide

Middle prospects - Gold Coast Suns, St Kilda, Brisbane Lions, Richmond

Low prospects but not out of the question - GWS

 

[adammania9]

You staed that the ''time in front'' stat was a typical ESPN stat.

It wasn't, it was a Fox Footy stat.

I said I understand why you'd sneer at such a stat, because Collingwood's was low.

You need to google the word context.

Yeah you had a grand old sook because somebody disagreed with you, so you had to have a crack at the team they support. I sneered at such a ludicrous stat not because my team ranks lower than yours, but because it's a stupid stat. Why would I care if your team lead games for a greater % than mine did? My team won more games than yours

An ESPN stat refers to a silly cherry-picked stat that holds little to no relevance and isn't worth the time taken to research that stat

You're welcome to rate the fact that your side built a number of leads in second and third quarters that they couldn't hold on to, but that's on you

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Geelong will see several premiership players call it a day

Will we? Higgins and Dahlhaus won't be missed and the only other possible retirement seems to be Selwood.

 

[Defabs]

A lot of people predicted the same for Melbourne after 2021. Often young players are the ones he plateau and feel content with what they’ve achieved early in a career. So, it’s interesting that you see this as something that’ll make Geelong stronger.

Geelong of 2023 won’t be too dissimilar to Geelong of 2012. Yes they will make the finals but after a decade of making so many prelims and a GF a couple of years back, for some of the players it will like mission accomplished. Those champions at the very pointy end of their careers even if they are absolutely hungry for one more, I just can’t see their bodies hold up and/or maintain reasonable speed.

 

[Trav 20]

Yeah you had a grand old sook because somebody disagreed with you, so you had to have a crack at the team they support. I sneered at such a ludicrous stat not because my team ranks lower than yours, but because it's a stupid stat. Why would I care if your team lead games for a greater % than mine did? My team won more games than yours

An ESPN stat refers to a silly cherry-picked stat that holds little to no relevance and isn't worth the time taken to research that stat

You're welcome to rate the fact that your side built a number of leads in second and third quarters that they couldn't hold on to, but that's on you

You're an emotional type.

The stat referenced had the team placed second winning the flag and the team placed first finishing top 2 after H&A. It's relevant.

Two other top 4 sides were also mentioned for relevance and context.

 

[bc27]

Hard not to have Geelong, Sydney and Brisbane all in top 3.

Fremantle, Richmond and Collingwood to fight out for 4,5,6.

Carlton, Melbourne, Gold Coast and Bulldogs fighting it out for 7,8,9,10.

Outside of that I’ll say hawks and Essendon to jump up to 11,12.

St Kilda, Adelaide 13,14.

GWS, West Coast 15,16

Port, North 17,18

 

[adammania9]

You're an emotional type.

The stat referenced had the team placed second winning the flag and the team placed first finishing top 2 after H&A. It's relevant.

Two other top 4 sides were also mentioned for relevance and context.

The stat reflects how dominant you were for the first 10 rounds where you lead nearly 100% of the time

 

[Trav 20]

The stat reflects how dominant you were for the first 10 rounds where you lead nearly 100% of the time

It encompasses 22 rounds.

In 7 of our 8 losses we were well ahead in third quarters.

Need to fix the fade out among other tweaks.

 

[Shooter#17]

Most recent GF's (except Pies v Eagles) have been pretty boring. All about prelim week!

3 of the last 4 prelims have ben massacres

 

[MCG-Unit]

Wishlist innit?

Saints
Geelong
Gold Coast
Brisbane Lions
Swans
GWS Giants
Dockers
WC Eagles

9-18 Rest of the world

 

[Cuzz09]

Carlton surely rocket up the ladder

McKay and Curnow and Cripps need the hanger ons to lift a peg though

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[Brezsa]

These predictions are too boring. There is a few things that always happens so let’s find a way to do a ladder that ticks those boxes;
1.Someone always jumps out of the bottom to sky rocket up the ladder (Collingwood this year),
2. teams that get hammered in the GF always fall away (WB last year)
3. a preliminary finalist that everyone tips to be there again drops away after a bad prelim defeat (Port last year)
4. A middle of the road team always falls apart (West Coast & Essendon this year)

So here it is makes no sense but fits the parameters (even I don’t believe it)

1. Melbourne - Point to prove, will bounce back, too good not to surely
2. Richmond - Hopper & Taranto? They clearly think this is what can happen
3. Western Bulldogs - finally sorting key positions, Lobbe at a minimum takes some focus off Naughton. We know the midfield is great.
4. West Coast - Someone has to come from the bottom 4, it was GWS or WCE, went with WCE purely because maybe the old brigade can go one last time, without covid effects, be fit. Add in 12 games in Perth, it’s always an advantage. - I’m getting attacked for this

5. Carlton - I might be bias, but surely. 2 Coleman medalists in 2 years, 5 AA & a Brownlow medalist, if not now when?!
6. Fremantle - home ground advantage huge, but tougher draw for them coming up
7. Geelong - the yearly Geelong will slide trend, insert they are too old here.
8. Port Adelaide - the Ken Hinkley is out of contract effect. Secures another 3 years

9. Brisbane - Fagan effect, they come home strong late when Fagan returns to coaching, after the AFL investigation drags out. Plus the Preliminary final bad lost parameter
10. Sydney - the slide after losing the GF another one of the parameters
11. Collingwood - worst % I can remember of a top 4 team & I’ll assume JD is off at St Kilda
12. Gold Coast - feel like they should be higher, but I had to meet parameters
13. Adelaide - much the same
14. Hawthorn - will show improvement
15. North - whatever
16. Essendon - new coach doesn’t work, Essendon keep being Essendon.
17. GWS - they can’t keep losing players, quickly turning into a development club
18. St Kilda - this pains me, I desperately want Rattan to be successful. But they can fill the parameter of the middle of the table club who falls apart.

 

[Falcon3518]

1. Dees
2. Tigers (P)
3. Carlton (RU)
4. Swans
5. Cats
6. Pies
7. Lions
8. Freo




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[BigVic]

Everyone with Eagles to rise and Pies to slide. It’s too early to say. We will be up and about and history suggests Sydney will drop

 

[kranky al]

1. Sydney
2. Doggies
3. Geelong
4. Melbourne
5. Brisbane
6. Richmond
7. Collingwood
8. Port Adelaide
_______________________

9. Carlton
10. Fremantle
11. Gold Coast
12. Essendon
13. St kilda
14. North Melbourne
15. Adelaide
16. Hawthorn
17. GWS
18. West coast

We are going to do worse in a year we arent ravaged by covid and arent playing wafl top up players?

 

[CarnTheScray]

Need some quality predictions in here guys.

Bulldogs and Carlton make top 4.

One of Sydney or Brisbane won’t make finals.

Collingwood prove that it wasn’t a fluke but miss out on top 4.

 

[adogsfan5]

Gut feel is we either play in a grand final/win flag or have a year from hell and Bevo gets the sack. Just can’t see another 6-8th finish.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I don't get why people think western dog improve? They lose dunkley and he's their best mid this year, bevo is getting crazier and crazier.

Structurally I think the additions of Lobb (if he gets there) and Jones will do wonders for them. And another preseason under the belts of JUH and Darcy will also be very helpful.

And Bont probably won’t have two down seasons in a row.

Every chance to be right amongst it.

 

[adogsfan5]

Structurally I think the additions of Lobb (if he gets there) and Jones will do wonders for them. And another preseason under the belts of JUH and Darcy will also be very helpful.

And Bont probably won’t have two down seasons in a row.

Every chance to be right amongst it.

He hates the doggies mate. I like the optimism.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Unfortunately though the Saints came 10th, so it's likely they'll play the likes of the Tigers, Bulldogs, Blues and Power twice

That would be a big help after we’ve had literally the hardest draw in the comp for the last two years.

Including playing 4 of this year’s top 6 twice (including Geelong) and as far as I’m aware playing the most games against teams who played finals of any team in the comp.

Our draw for two years straight has been brutal.

 

[Winky]

These predictions are too boring. There is a few things that always happens so let’s find a way to do a ladder that ticks those boxes;
1.Someone always jumps out of the bottom to sky rocket up the ladder (Collingwood this year),
2. teams that get hammered in the GF always fall away (WB last year)
3. a preliminary finalist that everyone tips to be there again drops away after a bad prelim defeat (Port last year)
4. A middle of the road team always falls apart (West Coast & Essendon this year)

So here it is makes no sense but fits the parameters (even I don’t believe it)

1. Melbourne - Point to prove, will bounce back, too good not to surely
2. Richmond - Hopper & Taranto? They clearly think this is what can happen
3. Western Bulldogs - finally sorting key positions, Lobbe at a minimum takes some focus off Naughton. We know the midfield is great.
4. West Coast - Someone has to come from the bottom 4, it was GWS or WCE, went with WCE purely because maybe the old brigade can go one last time, without covid effects, be fit. Add in 12 games in Perth, it’s always an advantage. - I’m getting attacked for this

5. Carlton - I might be bias, but surely. 2 Coleman medalists in 2 years, 5 AA & a Brownlow medalist, if not now when?!
6. Fremantle - home ground advantage huge, but tougher draw for them coming up
7. Geelong - the yearly Geelong will slide trend, insert they are too old here.
8. Port Adelaide - the Ken Hinkley is out of contract effect. Secures another 3 years

9. Brisbane - Fagan effect, they come home strong late when Fagan returns to coaching, after the AFL investigation drags out. Plus the Preliminary final bad lost parameter
10. Sydney - the slide after losing the GF another one of the parameters
11. Collingwood - worst % I can remember of a top 4 team & I’ll assume JD is off at St Kilda
12. Gold Coast - feel like they should be higher, but I had to meet parameters
13. Adelaide - much the same
14. Hawthorn - will show improvement
15. North - whatever
16. Essendon - new coach doesn’t work, Essendon keep being Essendon.
17. GWS - they can’t keep losing players, quickly turning into a development club
18. St Kilda - this pains me, I desperately want Rattan to be successful. But they can fill the parameter of the middle of the table club who falls apart.

It always amazes me this rubbish about home ground advantage in Perth. The huge disadvantage is having to travel across the continent every second week. if either Freo or West Coast lose those games they are labelled as weak because they “can’t win on the road”. Then it turns out that anybody who makes a similar trip to Perth and then loses its because of the home town advantage Or the long travel factor. I’ll concede that it is some advantage due to the travel for opposing sides but it is more than made up for by the simple fact that no other team has to do the long trips 50 % of the time so there is a huge DISADVANTAGE for the interstate teams depending on how far they have to travel.

 

[TheUnicorn]

We are going to do worse in a year we arent ravaged by covid and arent playing wafl top up players?

Yes

 

[scott_the_man]

Before free agency, trade period, etc is basically meaningless. Afterwards is also meaningless, but that ruins a bad theory. So, coming off my worst ever year of this, why not. Its only anonymous embarrassment.

1. Collingwood - "what?" I hear everyone say, "shut up voices in my head" i say. They won a lot of close ones, which many suggest means they were lucky. That many suggests they are mentally hard in the crunch. Mind you, picking up McStay as some sort of key player, that's a desperate move of a team struggling to hold mid-table. So, maybe I am the one making the very wrong read.
2. Geelong - this does depend a lot on how many retire, get moved on, and whether it is the right people
3. Melbourne - I really didn't think they were THAT good in 2021, but looking around - who else?
4. Sydney - GF failure aside, one of few teams able to go with Geelong at other times and should be able to replicate

• Above this point "should" play finals

5. Carlton - hate to admit it, because I prefer the league to have a comedy relief team that isn't North, but their best looks pretty damned good; consistency might be the issue with going higher
6. Brisbane - smash bad teams, don't seem to have that answer against the good
7. Richmond - the last hurrah of the era?
8. Fremantle - could really go anywhere from 1st to 15th, so slot in the middle based just on that; if they do slide further probably just a temporary setback




9. Gold Coast - assumes a solid trade period
10. Western Bulldogs - so often I like what I see from the Dogs, yet somehow the end result is underwhelming, don't see that changing
11. St Kilda - some of the tools are there to do much better things

• Other finalists probably come from the group above

12. Essendon - all aboard they hype train to nowheresville
13. Port Adelaide - sick of it, every year I expect them to sort their s**t out and perform to ability, either I over-estimate their ability or they really are serial under-performers
14. Hawthorn
15. Adelaide
16. West Coast - I actually don't think they will be this low, as I suspect covid hurt them more than most think and players never really got match fitness until their season was practically over; I just don't have the confidence to say who they will go ahead of
17. Greater Western Sydney - apparently losing players hand over fist due this year to salary cap issues, unlikely to be able fit new ones in

• Yawning chasm, like putting my mind up against .... um ... I dunno, name someone .... a smart person

18. North Melbourne - Clarkson or not (and my guess is about 80% "not") just winning a game will take a lot of luck again

You say Brisbane smash bad teams and can't beat good teams, yet they beat every other top 8 side this year except Geelong and Freo (both away).