List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread - Pt2 Now With Added Wailing & Gnashing of Teeth

[Lore]

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Order

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[Purple Suit]

Look I don't really want us to move heaven and earth for McDonald, and i've said that a few times

This is the thing though... he didn't do it in Colts. He did it in WAFL league at about 2.5 goals per game. Not even guys like JJK and Allen did that. His stats so far are better than Oscar Allen's at a comparable stage too.

I get we don't want to pay a huge price, and I certainly don't unless Treacy turns into a pumpkin. But he's the best WA KPF prospect since JJK/Hogan, excepting the one we actually already have on our team. And he's tracking pretty well. I think Docker82 is more on the money than we collectively think.

I don't recon he'll cost that much. Pretty much the same as Cerra did Carlton unless there is a huge drop off in form, a major injury or he kicks 65+ goals. It'll be our lowest 1st rounder next year (top 10) or 2 x the later ones if we still hold all three.

If McDonald nominates us and WC will end up with pick 1 and pick 19, Sydney won't have the leverage to demand the earth. We could always use our low first pick to get him in the actual draft.

 

[Sully90]

I don't recon he'll cost that much. Pretty much the same as Cerra did Carlton unless there is a huge drop off in form, a major injury or he kicks 65+ goals. It'll be our lowest 1st rounder next year (top 10) or 2 x the later ones if we still hold all three.

If McDonald nominates us and WC will end up with pick 1 and pick 19, Sydney won't have the leverage to demand the earth. We could always use our low first pick to get him in the actual draft.

As with other players who have gone home recently, I'm assuming his manager might even right now be sounding out both Freo and Eagles to see who would be willing/be able to do the best deal for Sydney.

 

[theGav56]

He has explicitly stated he wants to stay at the club for those reasons. We have never received that level of verbal commitment from the likes of Henry/Lobb/Acres etc. My point is he wants to repay the club as they helped him since he was a child. Meanwhile Liam wants to get his rocks off interstate while dressed in a Gucci garbage bag.

We were the ones who poached Lobb and Acres. They came here making what they thought was the best business decision at the time. Why would we be expecting loyalty from them? My expectation is that they would make the best business decision for themselves again. Henry is in a different column.

 

[Taylor]

Acres had a year to run on his contract and I don't think he would have been extended at St Kilda after it, he saved his career moving back to WA for a few years.

 

[theGav56]

Acres had a year to run on his contract and I don't think he would have been extended at St Kilda after it, he saved his career moving back to WA for a few years.

Your suggesting we gave a 3 year deal to a player heading for the delist pile?

 

[DragoDelph]

Your suggesting we gave a 3 year deal to a player heading for the delist pile?

Then rebuilt him into an above average winger.

 

[Taylor]

Your suggesting we gave a 3 year deal to a player heading for the delist pile?

He was struggling to lock down a position in their team, thrown around all over. We offered him a role and he took it, rebuilt his career and moved on. It took him a good couple of years to get himself right to play the role.

 

[Lach72]

 

[freo_leo29]

Hmm, won't be wanting Essendon to go early on him, they may pounce at 35 if they really like him

61 is fine as we will have a pick before that

 

[brucemac]

Stuck this here - mods should feel free to move it somewhere else.

AFL Draft 2023: Experts reveal their final top 50 consensus rankings​

The AFL Draft is just days away and our experts have put their heads together to bring you their final top 50. See who makes the cut and have your say.

Chris Cavanagh, Jordan Pinto and Dan Batten

November 8, 2023 - 12:00PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
CODE Sports

The AFL Draft is days away and our draft experts have locked in their final rankings for the year.
There may only be just north of 50 selections taken in this month’s national draft, so we’ve extended our power rankings out to 50.
And there are plenty of differences of opinion — especially after the first dozen selections, where the draft pool is very even.
Our three draft watchers have put their heads to give you their consensus rankings as well as their own personal top 50.
Which prospects are splitting our experts, and who makes the cut?
See the full rankings and have your say.

FINAL TOP 50 DRAFT RANKINGS​

EXPERTS' TOP 50READERS'S TOP 50
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Readers's Top 50:3

Harley Reid​

Bendigo Pioneers/VIC, Midfielder/Forward, 187cm, 85kg​

Chris Cavanagh’s ranking – 1: The standout prospect in this year’s draft. Wherever he lands in the draft, I can’t wait to watch him go about his business at AFL level next year. The boy from Tongala is a freak. What more can you say?
Dan Batten’s ranking – 1: Reid made kids and grown men look silly over the past two years – and he has done it playing in just about every position, too. A generational talent with plenty of similarities to Dustin Martin — including his trademark fend-off — as a powerful midfielder/forward who provides maximum impact whenever he has the footy.
Jordan Pinto’s ranking – 1: Game-changer. Maybe even club-changer.

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2

Readers's Top 50:11

Jed Walter​

Gold Coast Suns Academy/QLD, Forward, 194cm, 97kg​

CC – 2: Gives off genuine Charlie Curnow vibes as a marking key forward, but is also a great competitor with his defensive actions. He’ll team up nicely with Ben King in the Gold Coast forward line next year.
DB – 2: A key forward with the strength and overhead marking of Charlie Curnow who can chase and tackle like Charlie Cameron? Going to give defenders nightmares in the years to come and should have an instant impact for the Suns.
JP – 2: Defenders won’t be rushing to stand this guy once he finds his feet at AFL level. Attacks the body of the opposition just as ferociously as he attacks the ball in the air. There haven’t been too many key-forwards come through the draft like Walter in recent times.

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3

Readers's Top 50:38

Colby McKercher​

Tasmania Devils/TAS, Midfielder, 180cm, 76kg​

CC – 3: The best pure midfielder in this year’s draft pool. A left-footer who is quick, finds plenty of the footy, oozes class and was a consistent performer all year. Clubs are very excited about his future prospects.
DB – 3: If you haven’t seen his goal from the paint against Vic Country at the national championships, do yourself a favour. The smooth-mover has elite footskills, wins possessions in his sleep and has a burst of speed. Not much more you can ask for in a midfielder.
JP – 5: Speed. Class. Neat skills. Ball-winning. It all comes together in this midfield prospect, who breaks away from congestion like no other in the draft

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4

Readers's Top 50:41

Zane Duursma​

Gippsland Power/VIC, Midfielder/Forward, 189cm, 79kg​

CC – 4: As exciting a prospect as there is in this draft. Everything he touches across half-forward often turns to gold. The comparisons to Shaun ‘Silk’ Burgoyne show just how much class he has.
DB – 5: His four goals and six score assists against Vic Metro epitomised his game-breaking forward-half impact. Xavier Duursma’s brother plays more like Connor Rozee, but can he become a full-time midfielder in the future? If so, look out.
JP – 3: Could he become the best player in this year’s draft class? There’s strong competition at the top-end but his trajectory is as high as anyone’s. The smooth-mover is dynamic – and often unstoppable – in the forward-half but it’s his potential as a tall, goalkicking midfielder that has him ahead of a few others for me.

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5

Readers's Top 50:1

Daniel Curtin​

Claremont/WA, Defender/Midfielder, 197cm, 95kg​

CC – 5: There’s a feeling the West Australian could slide back a little in the draft order. But on talent, you can mount a case that he’s top-five. Will probably start his AFL career as a key defender, but could develop into a big-bodied midfielder in time.
DB – 4: Talk he could slide has me a bit confused. As a key defender, Curtin is as good as they come – he clunks intercept marks, spots up targets with his elite kicking and dodges would-be tacklers with ease with his silky sidestep. He has also shown he can turn games in the midfield or up forward. Curtin proved at WAFL level late in the year that his performances stack up against men, and I feel he could slot into just about any side next year.
JP – 4: How many 197cm guys can, firstly, anticipate, then take the ball on the ground and find space like he does? I’m not just talking about this draft class, either. I’d consider it draft robbery if he gets to the back end of the top-10.

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6

Readers's Top 50:45

Ethan Read​

Gold Coast Suns Academy/QLD, Ruck, 202cm, 92kg​

CC - 7: Some clubs have Read pegged as a top-five talent, which isn’t particularly surprising. There’s not many 202cm ruckman around who are as versatile and can run a 2km time trial in under six minutes.There’s not many 202cm ruckman around who are as versatile and can run a 2km time trial in under six minutes.
DB – 7: See a lot of similarities to Tim English – and he could get to his level sooner, given he ran a staggering 5:56min 2ker. The All-Australian ruckman’s numbers were almost as ridiculous, averaging 20-plus disposals at the national championships. His engine may allow him to play anywhere on the park, but I feel he is best placed as a mobile ruck who can act as a fourth midfielder at stoppages and around the ground.
JP – 6: Tim-English like ball-winning ability and running capacity has Read on the path to becoming something more than just a ruckman. Often puts up midfielder-like handball receive numbers, such is the trust his teammates have in him with the ball, and in his ability to run and create.

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7

Readers's Top 50:2

Nick Watson​

Eastern Ranges/VIC, Forward, 170cm, 68kg​

CC – 6: Don’t worry about his height. Watson has the skills, speed, agility and footy smarts to be a seriously good small forward at AFL level. Expect him to dazzle crowds with goals from all sorts of angles in the years to come.
DB – 6: Forget his height, Watson is a genuine matchwinner in the forward half with his freakish goal sense, speed and leap. Put his team on his back multiple times throughout the year with bags of goals. Feel he could also be thrown into defence like Harry Sheezel and Nick Daicos and play as a speedy half back in the mould of Jack Sinclair.
JP – 10: If he hasn’t already created separation using his brilliant footy IQ, he’s dancing around opposition defenders on his way to goal. Freakishly skillful and very good at what he does. I’m not worried about the height, but I haven’t yet put it out of my mind, either.

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8

Readers's Top 50:4

Ryley Sanders​

Sandringham Dragons/TAS, Midfielder, 186cm, 86kg​

CC – 8: Any club looking for a reliable onballer who not only racks up the footy but can also do some damage with it need look no further than Sanders. Had a super national championships campaign with the Allies on his way to winning the Larke Medal.
DB – 8: I feel the likes of Duursma and Watson are harder to find, but you can just about take 200+ games to the bank when you call out Sanders’ name. The Tasmanian is so clean and agile in congestion and he lifted his impact per possession this season on his way to winning the Larke Medal at the national champs.
JP – 7: Right place, right time - all the time. Sanders is tough, prolific, makes the right decisions – especially by hand – and produced one of the most dominant national carnivals in recent memory.

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9

Readers's Top 50:35

Nate Caddy​

Northern Knights/VIC, Forward, 193cm, 88kg​

CC – 11: Didn’t have as consistent a season as some of the other top-10 prospects, but still showed plenty of glimpses of what he can become. He’s a strong mark overhead, a booming kick can even have a stint through the midfield.
DB – 10: A dangerous threat in the air and at ground level up forward with his contested marking, power and agility. Ran the 2ker in 6:35, suggesting he has the potential to be used as a hulking midfielder in the future, where he dominated at stages for Northern Knights.
JP – 9: If we’re talking upside, you could mount the case for Caddy to be even higher than this. He has great hands above his head as a forward, but the way he uses those hands to find a teammate in the midfield, after assessing the options is equally as eye-catching, even if just in spurts

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10

Readers's Top 50:27

Connor O’ Sullivan​

Murray Bushrangers/NSW-ACT, Defender, 198cm, 92kg​

CC – 9: One of the more ready-made key defenders that has come through the draft in recent years. Not only is he 198cm, but he also has a fairly mature body for an 18-year-old. Can beat opponents in the air or at ground level.
DB – 9: O’Sullivan can play just about anywhere on the ground but looks most settled in defence, where he can clunk intercept marks and cover the ground with his elite endurance base – running the eighth best time in the 2km time trial. Scary to think the 198cm talent was used in the midfield at times this year.
JP – 12: O’Sullivan’s height is accentuated by terrific reach, a combination which makes him a dominant force in the air.

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11

Readers's Top 50:46

Caleb Windsor​

Eastern Ranges/VIC, Wing, 184cm, 76kg​

CC – 13: Has pushed up the rankings across the course of the year to sit firmly in the top-15 prospects in this draft pool. A wingman with pace to burn, he works hard, holds his lanes well and can also play as an inside midfielder.
DB – 14: Has risen in estimations as the year has gone on as an athletically gifted wingman who is creative and efficient with ball in hand. Glides across the ground and then hits his opponents with a lightning burst of speed.
JP – 8: The classy mover has a great turn of speed, which helps him gets him out of trouble, break lines and kick goals on the outside. But Windsor has shown enough to suggest he can develop into an all-round midfielder – one with clean hands at ground level who finds targets under pressure.

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12

Readers's Top 50:42

Jake Rogers​

Gold Coast Suns Academy/QLD, Midfielder, 170cm, 68kg​

CC – 14: Spent some time with Touk Miller through the Suns’ Academy program this year and is a very similar player. Racks up the footy, has incredibly clean hands, is dynamic and has good speed. On the smaller side for an AFL midfielder these days, but is hard-at-it in the contest.
DB – 11: At 170cm, you need to have some elite traits and Rogers has those in spades with his speed, agility, and super clean hands below his knees. Dominated in both AFL Academy games against senior opposition, suggesting he can crack into the Suns forward line next year. And he should be used through the midfield in the future.
JP – 11: Slick, in his movement, and with his hands, making him very hard to for the opposition to get a hold of. There’s not a lot he doesn’t do very well, and it’s only his height that sees him this far down.

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13

Readers's Top 50:20

James Leake​

Tasmania Devils/TAS, Defender, 187cm, 77kg​

CC – 10: The potential top-10 draft bolter – with good reason. He’s a good size, is strong in the contest, has great athletic attributes and has proven his flexibility to play at either end of the ground or through the midfield. Ticks a lot of boxes.
DB – 13: The Tasmanian swingman can turn a game at either end with his vice-like hands, soaring leap and speed off the mark. Impressed at national level for the Allies down back and kicked 12 goals in the space of three games for Devils late in the year. Have pushed him up a few spots since last week due to his match-winning qualities.
JP – 13: An under-18 All-Australian as a defender – where he really came to the fore when the ball hit the ground - before showing his value at the other end, starring in the Coates League as a forward to finish the year. A lot to like.

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14

Readers's Top 50:15

Darcy Wilson​

Murray Bushrangers/VIC, Wing/forward, 185cm, 74kg​

CC – 12: The first thing that springs to mind about Wilson is ‘elite runner’. But he’s more than that. He has good football IQ, is a thumping kick and can hit the scoreboard. The wing role in the AFL has become increasingly important and Wilson is a perfect fit for it.
DB – 12: A running machine with a massive leap, Wilson finished first in the running vertical jump and second in the 2km time trial. Can slot in on a wing or off a half-forward flank, where he can work up the ground and be seriously dangerous around goal. Has already matched it against men earlier this year for the AFL Academy and should be get opportunities next year.
JP – 14: Wilson is a terrific athlete and it’s his running that sets him apart – over short and long distances. But his ability to hit the scoreboard isn’t far behind.

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15

Readers's Top 50:49

Jordan Croft​

Calder Cannons/VIC, Forward, 200cm, 81kg​

CC – 15: Expect a bid on the Bulldogs father-son to come somewhere in the teens. He has a few other fans as a mobile 200cm key forward who provides a real presence in the air. Having so many talented talls on their list will be a good problem to have for the Dogs.
DB – 16: Will need a few pre-seasons to build size but his leap, strong contested marking and elite endurance and height will make him hard to stop. But how will the Western Bulldogs father-son fit in alongside Aaron Naughton and Jamarra Ugle-Hagan in the future?
JP – 19: Like many young talls, Croft will take time, but the way he covers the ground for a 200cm big man and marks the ball at its highest point means the Bulldogs will have no hesitation matching an early bid.

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16

Readers's Top 50:37

Koltyn Tholstrup​

Subiaco/WA, Forward/Midfielder, 186cm, 86kg​

CC – 16: Played plenty of senior WAFL football this year and impressed in the 2km time trial and agility tests at the national draft combine. Can impact in attack but also provide something different during bursts in the midfield.
DB – 18: : Has plenty of swagger and X-Factor but he also does the hard things, restricting dual Sandover medallist Jye Bolton to 12 SuperCoach ranking points in a tagging job in the WAFL. Donning a bright gold pair of visors atop his shaggy mullet at the combine, Tholstrup is sure to be a fan favourite wherever he goes.
JP – 16: Strong, aggressive and creative, Tholstrup just makes things happen when he’s near the ball. Looks ready to come in and play a role at AFL level next year.

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17

Readers's Top 50:30

Will McCabe​

Central Districts/SA, Defender, 197cm, 86kg​

CC – 18: The Hawthorn father-son prospect looks highly likely to attract a bid in the teens. The South Australian missed a chunk of the season with a foot injury but showed plenty as a key defender when he was on the park this year.
DB – 17: McCabe combines superb reading of the play with elite decision making and skills by foot. Seven intercept marks on SANFL Reserves debut for Central Districts underlined the potential of the Hawks father-son.
JP – 20: The athletic defender can play on talls and smalls and is very good one-one-one, but he shines, winning the ball back off the opposition in the air and attacking the other way

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18

Readers's Top 50:39

Charlie Edwards​

Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Midfielder, 191cm, 85kg​

CC – 20: A late-season bolter, Edwards started the season across half-back for the Sandringham Dragons but moved into the midfield to great effect in the second half of the year. He can drive his legs through traffic, is a penetrating kick and is a great size for a modern-day midfielder.
DB – 22: There is an element of unknown about Edwards given he didn’t feature for Vic Metro at the national championships. But his speed from congestion and height gives him exciting potential in a draft class lacking midfield depth, and he can also play off halfback.
JP – 15: He’s a bolter for good reason, with Edwards proving just what a midfield weapon he can be late in the season, putting his big body, clean hands and breakaway speed to great effect. Smaller sample size than some, but it might be enough.

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19

Readers's Top 50:31

Lance Collard​

Subiaco/WA, Forward, 180cm, 65kg​

CC – 21: The Bobby Hill clone emerged in the second half of the season and backed up his strong athletic attributes at the national draft combine. A quick and agile goalkicking small forward who booted 10 goals across two finals in the WAFL Colts.
DB – 20: Collard has freakish ability as a small forward, with his purple patch to finish the season in for Subiaco Colts featuring a litany of dazzling goals: selling candy, snaps from the boundary, the lot. It’s quite a step up from WAFL Colts to senior football, but his bag of tricks will be difficult for any defender to stop in time.
JP – 18: Made fellow top-30 prospect Luamon Lual look silly in WA’s final game of the under-18 carnival, taking the ball on the ground, spinning to his feet and accelerating away and kicking a goal on the run. Does things many others can’t.

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20

Readers's Top 50:40

Riley Hardeman​

Swan Districts/WA, Defender, 185cm, 75kg​

CC – 17: A nice left-footed rebounding defender who captained Western Australia at the national championships. His speed and booming and accurate kick are features of his game and he was one of the more in-demand players at the national draft combine when it came to club interviews.
DB – 21: Of all the half-backs available, Hardeman was the best of the lot on the national stage. His elite kicking, speed and reading of the play at his size is an attractive combination for a side looking for a rebounding defender.
JP – 21: A lively defender, Hardeman gets in great spots to the win ball back off the opposition and springboard the ball back the other way. He’s a nice size and a great runner.

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21

Readers's Top 50:48

Harry DeMattia​

Dandenong Stingrays/VIC, Midfielder/Forward/Defender, 185cm, 78kg​

CC – 22: Clubs tend to like dual-sport athletes and DeMattia has represented Victoria in cricket. He’s got explosive speed, serious agility and clean hands. Can be deployed across a range of positions.
DB – 15: No matter who I put at No.15 in my personal rankings, it just didn’t feel quite right. It might be a touch high for DeMattia, but the dual sportsman can play in just about any position on the ground, has blistering speed and is an elite kick. Add his leadership and ultra-professional mindset, having gone through the elite cricket pathway and you’ve got an extremely well-rounded prospect.
JP – 26: Strong, clean and versatile, every club would have a role for the gifted sports star, but he might just do everything a little too fast sometimes.

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22

Readers's Top 50:34

Arie Schoenmaker​

Tasmania Devils/TAS, Defender, 194cm, 91kg​

CC – 23: A versatile prospect from who can break the play open from the back-half with his penetrating left-foot kick. He also spent some time in the ruck at the tail end of the Coates Talent League season and hit the scoreboard.
DB – 23: Best kick in the draft? Certainly the most penetrating. He learnt the hard way to lift his professionalism after a 10-week suspension for a drinking related indiscretion early on in the season, and he said himself that it has helped him get into the position he is in now.
JP – 17: At 194cm, the way he rolls onto that left foot is a thing of beauty. Has come from a long way back this year and seemingly learnt a lot along the way.

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23

Readers's Top 50:21

Ollie Murphy​

Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Defender, 200cm, 85kg​

CC – 19: There’s some suggestions the key defender could slide back a little further than earlier thought. But Murphy looks a good long-term prospect and showed it during the national championships as he won Vic Metro’s MVP award.
DB – 19: After watching some more vision I have moved Will McCabe ahead as I feel he offers a bit more as a key defender. But nonetheless, Murphy has an elite tank, is nimble and has good skills – a handy mix for a player standing 200cm.
JP – 23: A strong national carnival solidified the 200cm defender’s place in the draft. He’s got the height to match it with the big forwards at the next level and he’s got neat skills to match.

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24

Readers's Top 50:36

Archie Roberts​

Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Defender, 184cm, 79kg​

CC – 25: A rebounding left-foot halfback who breaks the lines and didn’t put a foot wrong this season. He won flags with his school team at Haileybury and also the Sandringham Dragons. Roberts also tested well at the national draft combine, finishing seventh in the 2km time trial.
DB – 30: A late slider for me. Feel defenders Lual, Jiath and Hastie have greater scope, but Roberts you can’t go wrong with Roberts as a reliable halfback who consistently provides run from behind
JP – 22: A very neat ball-user, Roberts back himself and takes the game, setting up play as creatively as any rebounding-defender in the pool.

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25

Readers's Top 50:50

Tew Jiath​

Gippsland Power/VIC, Defender, 188cm, 72kg​

CC – 29: The younger brother of Hawthorn’s Changkuoth Jiath is linked to Hawthorn’s NGA, but it’s hard to see him getting past pick 40 for the Hawks to be able to match a bid on him. An athletic defender who still has plenty of upside to come.
DB – 26: Ahead of his brother, Changkuoth, at the same age – and we saw how steep his development was from the point he was drafted. A serious bolter after an eye-catching finish to the season where his intercepting, turn of step and composure set tongues wagging
JP – 24: Didn’t feature in the Coates League until round 9, so the rise has been steep this year – and might have only just started, too. Has shown similar top-end traits to his brother.

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26

Readers's Top 50:13

George Stevens​

GWV Rebels/VIC, Midfielder, 189cm, 101kg​

CC – 27: Remains a fascinating prospect as a big-bodied onballer who wins plenty of the footy. His speed has been his main knock, but Stevens looks a ready-made prospect and is tough, clean and a decent kick. He’ll get picked up, but opinions differ around just where in the order that will be.
DB – 25: One of the most polarising players in the draft class. Has worked tirelessly to address concerns over his speed and his high-end performances can’t be ignored in my view. Showed he can play as contested ball-winner or off halfback with his kicking skills, and can impact from the get-go with his ready-made frame
JP – 32: Tough, clean and prolific, Stevens has enjoyed a standout junior career. But will his lack of pace hold him back at the next level?

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27

Readers's Top 50:22

Will Green​

Northern Knights/VIC, Ruck, 204cm, 93kg​

CC – 24: A former junior cricket star who has quickly risen since joining the AFL pathway programs in 2021. Co-captained the Knights this year and could be anything given his quality tap-work, size, sound fundamentals and strong running ability.
DB – 27: His first half of the year was modest but his impressive athleticism and his ability to impact at ground level came to the fore in the back-half of the season. Have him ahead of Edwards and Goad.
JP – 34: A strong finish to the year highlighted the athletic Green’s potential as a tap ruckman but I’ve still got Edwards and Goad just ahead.

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28

Readers's Top 50:33

Phoenix Gothard​

Murray Bushrangers/NSW, Forward, 178cm, 72kg​

CC – 33: A lively small forward, Gothard caught the eye during the national championships and with some big games for the Bushrangers. He’s lightning quick and dangerous in the air or at ground level.
DB – 31: Wasn’t in my 40 last month, but after watching some more tape he has certainly shot up in my rankings. So elusive and his speed, workrate up the ground and goal sense epitomise the modern day small forward
JP – 27: Gothard has great goal sense himself, but the way he can bring his teammates into the game inside-50 reminds me of West Coast’s 2022 draftee Noah Long, with added speed.

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29

Readers's Top 50:47

Luamon Lual​

GWV Rebels/VIC, Defender, 181cm, 79kg​

CC – 32: Plenty of interest from clubs with picks in the late 20s and 30s, which means the Western Bulldogs NGA prospect is unlikely to get to Whitten Oval beyond pick 40.
DB – 24: Have him higher than some might. Big fan of his defensive game as a stopper and his superb composure and decision making allows him to impact the game offensively. Also has outstanding character and has done it all while commuting from Warrnambool.
JP – 37: Reads the play well and makes good decisions with the ball – and, importantly, has a sound defensive foundation underneath.

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30

Readers's Top 50:14

Mitch Edwards​

Peel Thunder/WA, Ruck, 206cm, 89kg​

CC – 30: The West Australian ruckman had a good national championships, has impressive craft and is a competitor. But he has dropped down the order just a little, with recruiters a touch concerned about his running ability
DB – 38: Had Edwards ahead of Green last month, but after watching more vision I feel Green has greater upside. Edwards’ point of difference as a ruckman is hit strong contested marking, which is valuable at his height.
JP – 25: As a great tap ruckman, who marks strongly around the ground, Edwards proved his worth with a number of standout showings across multiple levels this year.

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31

Readers's Top 50:43

Angus Hastie​

Geelong Falcons/VIC, Defender, 190cm, 74kg​

CC – 34: A mid-sized intercept defender, Hastie is able to play in lockdown roles but can also show some attacking flare. Had a solid year both with the Falcons and Vic Country
DB – 28: Hastie takes the game on with his dashing run and elite agility, but he is also extremely versatile as a defender – doing jobs on top-10 talent Nate Caddy (193cm) and smalls like Rebels forward Lachie Charleson (176cm) this year. That mix is made for the modern game
JP – 30

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Readers's Top 50:7

Archer Reid​

Gippsland Power/VIC, Forward/Ruck, 203cm, 94kg​

CC – 26: Plays at the opposite end of the ground to his brother – Essendon defender Zach. Reid’s marking ability in attack is his strength, but he also added another string to his bow by doing some ruck work late in the year. He’s not the complete package just yet, but 200cm key forwards rarely are at 18
DB – 33: A tough one to place. Is strong overhead, mobile and showed he can perform strongly as a forward and second ruckman, but was a touch inconsistent throughout the year.
JP – 35

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Readers's Top 50:28

Cooper Simpson​

Dandenong Stingrays/VIC, Midfielder/Forward, 181cm, 79kg​

CC – 39: Missed a chunk of the season including the national championships through injury, but is a professional midfielder with pace, composure and nice finishing skills
DB – 29: Where would Simpson be in draft calculations if he wasn’t sidelined for the national championships? The AFL Academy graduate is a forgotten man, but his 20 disposals and two goals in the final round was a stern reminder of his talent. Could prove to be a serious steal if he slides.
JP – 29

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Readers's Top 50:29

Caiden Cleary​

Sydney Swans Academy/NSW-ACT, Midfielder, 182cm, 79kg​

CC – 28: A bid could well come in the 20s for the Sydney Swans Academy member. Cleary lacks a little of the polish of some of the other midfielders in this year’s draft pool, but finds the footy and plays with plenty of heart. He had a big national championships and impressed in some VFL games for Sydney
DB – 32: A tough as nails two-way midfielder who tackles like his life depends on it. He lacks polish with his kicking, but he is one of the top contested ball-winners in the draft class.
JP – 36

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Readers's Top 50:32

Zane Zakostelsky​

Claremont/WA, Defender/Ruck, 196cm, 89kg​

CC – 38: Finished the season with a bang with a standout WAFL Colts Grand Final followed by playing a starring role at the national draft combine
DB – 34: With his exciting athletic make-up, his upside is enormous. Won the best-on-ground medal in the Colts grand final where he won a whopping 18 contested possessions as a ruckman and showed off his intercepting as a key defender for WA.
JP – 39

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Readers's Top 50:8

Taylor Goad​

South Adelaide/SA, Ruck, 206cm, 97kg​

CC – 42: The equal-tallest player to attend the national draft combine and there is plenty of upside there given he is still relatively new to the AFL talent pathways
DB – 41: Has there ever been a 206cm ruckman who can run 20 metres in 2.96-seconds – as he did at the draft combine? Very new to the game so there is significant upside with that mobility.
JP – 28

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Readers's Top 50:9

Joel Freijah​

GWV Rebels/VIC, Wing, 190cm, 88kg​

CC – 31: There are some knocks on his willingness to go after the hard ball, but the wingman runs elite patterns, is a good size, kicks the ball well and is generally clean and composed. He can also push forward and kick a goal
DB – 40: Freijah works tirelessly up and down the wing and the stats might not always reflect his influence. Burst onto the radar with six goals from 26 disposals and 10 marks early in the year, but his contested game will need to improve at the next level.
JP – 41

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Readers's Top 50:10

Ashton Moir​

Glenelg/SA, Forward, 187cm, 85kg​

CC – 46: He’ll get picked up somewhere in the middle part of the draft given his talent, but it’s hard to rank Moir highly in relation to others in the pool given his 2023 campaign
DB – 36: Moir's competitiveness has been questioned. However, there is no doubting his freakish talent, being able to kick 50m on both sides of his body. A club could do worse than to take a punt on him in the back-half of the draft.
JP – 33

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Readers's Top 50:16

Will Graham​

Gold Coast Suns Academy/QLD, Midfielder, 186cm, 81kg​

CC – 37: You could argue that the Gold Coast Suns Academy prospect deserves to be higher in these rankings. A tough inside midfielder who had a consistent season, including some good VFL games.
DB – 42: Turned heads with his lightning speed and huge leap at the combine. Showed some good signs against men at VFL level and could be used all over the ground at the Suns.
JP – 40

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Readers's Top 50:17

Koen Sanchez​

East Fremantle/WA, Forward/Midfielder, 177cm, 69kg​

CC – 36: A speedy half-forward or wingman who had an eye-catching national championships for WA. Brings great speed and energy, has clean hands and looks ready to go at the next level across half-forward.
DB – 39: See some similarities to Giant Brent Daniels here. A busy half-forward who is clean below his knees and can win his own footy up the ground.
JP – 44

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41

Readers's Top 50:18

Logan Morris​

Western Jets/VIC, Forward, 191cm, 90kg​

CC – 43: Hard to forget his 16-disposal, 11-mark and 4-goal game against Western Australia at the national championships. But he also averaged three goals a game for the Jets
DB – 35: Just kept getting the job done for the struggling Western Jets with 30 goals for the season, with seven hauls of three or more in his 10 games. Kicked two on VFL debut for Werribee and his eye-catching four-goal haul at the national champs put his vice-like hands on full display
JP – 43

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42

Readers's Top 50:12

Jack Delean​

South Adelaide/SA, Forward, 182cm, 77kg​

CC – 47: Perhaps a little underrated as a lively goalkicking forward with plenty of tricks. Hit the scoreboard consistently at all levels throughout the year
DB – 43: Certainly has some exciting traits and is capable of dazzling displays as a small forward, but there are question marks over his workrate and consistency
JP – 38

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43

Readers's Top 50:6

Clay Hall​

Peel Thunder/WA, Midfielder, 189cm, 87kg​

CC – 40: The son of former West Coast and Geelong forward Derek, he is a professional on and off the field who brings great work ethic and ticks a lot of boxes
DB – 44: The All-Australian won possessions at will on the inside at the national championships and showed good signs at WAFL level. A great size but his kicking and decision making lets him down at times.
JP – 47

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44

Readers's Top 50:5

Wil Dawson​

Gippsland Power/VIC, Defender/Ruck/Forward, 200cm, 86kg​

CC – 37: Played in all areas this year but looks to have found a home down back. Could be picked higher than many expect on draft night
DB – 51+: Is versatile, moves well and has upside given he is one of the youngest players in the draft class.
JP – 46

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45

Readers's Top 50:19

Kane McAuliffe​

North Adelaide/SA, Midfielder. 187cm, 82kg​

CC – 51+: Had the South Australian as my 51st player. Liked his national championships campaign and he did his prospects no harm at the draft combine.
DB – 46: Showed he had a serious burst of speed at the combine and was solid in the AFL Academy games. If he can tidy up his kicking he could prove to be a value option.
JP – 42

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46

Readers's Top 50:23

Shaun Mannagh​

Werribee VFL, Midfielder/forward, 175cm, 80kg​

CC – 51+: Can clearly play and looks a good chance to be drafted. However, mature aged VFL prospects often slip through to the rookie draft.
DB – 37: The best state-league talent on offer. I think the 26-year-old can make an instant impact for any side as a damaging forward-half player who kicks goals and wins the footy at will.
JP – 51+

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Readers's Top 50:24

Aiden O'Driscoll​

Perth/WA, Forward/Midfielder, 175cm, 70kg​

CC – 41: Only enhanced his reputation as a speedy wingman or half-forward at the national draft combine as he won the 20m sprint. Also shone brightly in the WAFL Colts Grand Final
DB – 50: With a speed-endurance mix like O’Driscoll, there’s something to work with, and his display against South Australia at the national carnival showed his potential.
JP – 49

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Readers's Top 50:25

Bodie Ryan​

Glenelg/SA, Defender, 187cm, 82kg​

CC – 44: Has a serious intercept game, which is all the rage in modern footy. He reads the play well but is also good one-on-one when he has to defend
DB – 51+: Was just outside my 50. Can see some similarities to his cousin, Jakob, across half-back with his reading of the play and elite agility.
JP – 48

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Readers's Top 50:44

Calsher Dear​

Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Forward, 195cm, 87kg​

CC – 50: The Hawks father-son prospect definitely caught the eye in the Coates League Grand Final. Looks a capable mobile key forward who can win the ball in the air or at ground level.
DB – 45: I feel he's the next best key forward in the pool behind Archer Reid. Very athletic, has strong hands overhead and had a strong finish to the season.
JP – 51+:

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Readers's Top 50:26

Luke Lloyd​

Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Forward, 193cm, 84kg​

CC – 45: Missed the national championships on the back of an early-season injury but looks a talent as a third-tall type forward with a good set of hands. Kicked 19 goals in a game for his school team this year.
DB – 51+: Can take a grab and had some big games, but I have his teammate Calsher Dear ahead in the key forward stakes.
JP – 51+

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INDIVIDUAL TOP 50s​

Chris Cavanagh	Dan Batten	Jordan Pinto
1 Harley Reid	1 Harley Reid	1 Harley Reid
2 Jed Walter	2 Jed Walter	2 Jed Walter
3 Colby McKercher	3 Colby McKercher	3 Zane Duursma
4 Zane Duursma	4 Dan Curtin	4 Daniel Curtin
5 Daniel Curtin	5 Zane Duursma	5 Colby McKercher
6 Nick Watson	6 Nick Watson	6 Ethan Read
7 Ethan Read	7 Ethan Read	7 Ryley Sanders
8 Ryley Sanders	8 Ryley Sanders	8 Caleb Windsor
9 Connor O'Sullivan	9 Connor O’Sullivan	9 Nate Caddy
10 James Leake	10 Nate Caddy	10 Nick Watson
11 Nate Caddy	11 Jake Rogers	11 Jake Rogers
12 Darcy Wilson	12 Darcy Wilson	12 Connor O’Sullivan
13 Caleb Windsor	13 Jame Leake	13 James Leake
14 Jake Rogers	14 Caleb Windsor	14 Darcy Wilson
15 Jordan Croft	15 Harry DeMattia	15 Charlie Edwards
16 Koltyn Tholstrup	16 Jordan Croft	16 Koltyn Tholstrup
17 Riley Hardeman	17 Will McCabe	17 Arie Schoenmaker
18 Will McCabe	18 Koltyn Tholstrup	18 Lance Collard
19 Ollie Murphy	19 Ollie Murphy	19 Jordan Croft
20 Charlie Edwards	20 Lance Collard	20 Will McCabe
21 Lance Collard	21 Riley Hardeman	21 Riley Hardeman
22 Harry DeMattia	22 Charlie Edwards	22 Archie Roberts
23 Arie Schoenmaker	23 Arie Schoenmaker	23 Ollie Murphy
24 Will Green	24 Luamon Lual	24 Tew Jiath
25 Archie Roberts	25 George Stevens	25 Mitch Edwards
26 Archer Reid	26 Tew Jiath	26 Harry De Mattia
27 George Stevens	27 Will Green	27 Phoenix Gothard
28 Caiden Cleary	28 Angus Hastie	28 Taylor Goad
29 Tew Jiath	29 Cooper Simpson	29 Cooper Simpson
30 Mitch Edwards	30 Archie Roberts	30 Angus Hastie
31 Joel Freijah	31 Phoenix Gothard	31 Tew Jiath
32 Luamon Lual	32 Caiden Cleary	32 George Stevens
33 Phoenix Gothard	33 Archer Reid	33 Ashton Moir
34 Angus Hastie	34 Zane Zakostelsky	34 Will Green
35 Will Graham	35 Logan Morris	35 Archer Reid
36 Koen Sanchez	36 Ashton Moir	36 Caiden Cleary
37 Wil Dawson	37 Shaun Mannagh	37 Luamon Lual
38 Zane Zakotelsky	38 Mitch Edwards	38 Jack Delean
39 Cooper Simpson	39 Koen Sanchez	39 Zane Zakostelsky
40 Clay Hall	40 Joel Freijah	40 Will Graham
41 Aiden O'Driscoll	41 Taylor Goad	41 Joel Freijah
42 Taylor Goad	42 Will Graham	42 Kane McAuliffe
43 Logan Morris	43 Jack Delean	43 Logan Morris
44 Bodie Ryan	44 Clay Hall	44 Koen Sanchez
45 Luke Lloyd	45 Calsher Dear	45 Kade De La Rue
46 Ashton Moir	46 Kane McAuliffe	46 Wil Dawson
47 Jack Delean	47 Michael Rudd	47 Clay Hall
48 Billy Wilson	48 Nathan Philactides	48 Bodie Ryan
49 Joe Fonti	49 Joe Fonti	49 Aiden O’Driscoll
50 Calsher Dear	50 Aiden O’Driscoll	50 Will Patton

Good to see Rudd get some credit for his efforts this year. Easily a Top 5 forward in the National Champs and backed it up with his Coates league form. So stiff to miss a National Combine invite. Deserves to get a top 50 ranking.

 

[Purple Jesus]

If McDonald kicks 30-60 goals a year for the next ten years we'd have a KPF better than any we've had bar Modra and Pav.

With him, TReacy and Amiss we don't need to invest in KPF for the next decade.

Go nuts on all other needs

You have a point there.

 

[Fyfster]

22 is higher than pies 2023 first (originally 19) to be fair, that'll be about 24


I still wouldn't do it

Not all over these draft rules I must admit , But doesn't 22 slip back as well?

 

[apuchar]

Not all over these draft rules I must admit , But doesn't 22 slip back as well?

Not on the night if live trading

 

[freo_leo29]

Not all over these draft rules I must admit , But doesn't 22 slip back as well?

17 would've become 22 already

 

[freo_leo29]

Which clubs still need to delist players?


Gc are dropping some picks as it stands I think


Hawks made 2 extra spots right at the last minute

 

[eastfreo75]

Hmm, won't be wanting Essendon to go early on him, they may pounce at 35 if they really like him

61 is fine as we will have a pick before that

Essendon under to pressure to make the finals.

If they think that he can be best 22, they will go early on him. Bombers has pick 31 as well.

 

[thewiz0033]

Just been thinking of all the negativity surrounding our club regarding the players who have left in the last 2 years. So I decided to give a crack at my best 22 ( no injuries assuming all still here ( Mundy excluded - will be nearly 40 next year)
B Ryan / Pearce / Walker
HB. Clarke / Cox / Chapman
C. Acres / Young / Aish
HF. Switta / Logue ??? / Walters
F. Schultz / Amiss / Jackson
Ruck. Darcy / Brayshaw / Serong
Int. Fyfe / Johnson/ Fredericks / Sturt

Only Acres and Schultz lay down best 22
Logue gets the nod in a fight with Treacy / Lobb / Tabener

Hamling ( better than depth but that is where he sits
Henry ( only beat 22 because Acres left)
Lobb ( fighting for a tall Forward with others)
Meek / Tucker definitely Depth

So let’s replace Acres with Fredricks
(O’Meara or Erasmus to the Bench)
Shultz replaced by Emmet
Logue with either Tabs or treacy)

Are we really in such a bad state

 

[332docker]

Just been thinking of all the negativity surrounding our club regarding the players who have left in the last 2 years. So I decided to give a crack at my best 22 ( no injuries assuming all still here ( Mundy excluded - will be nearly 40 next year)
B Ryan / Pearce / Walker
HB. Clarke / Cox / Chapman
C. Acres / Young / Aish
HF. Switta / Logue ??? / Walters
F. Schultz / Amiss / Jackson
Ruck. Darcy / Brayshaw / Serong
Int. Fyfe / Johnson/ Fredericks / Sturt

Only Acres and Schultz lay down best 22
Logue gets the nod in a fight with Treacy / Lobb / Tabener

Hamling ( better than depth but that is where he sits
Henry ( only beat 22 because Acres left)
Lobb ( fighting for a tall Forward with others)
Meek / Tucker definitely Depth

So let’s replace Acres with Fredricks
(O’Meara or Erasmus to the Bench)
Shultz replaced by Emmet
Logue with either Tabs or treacy)

Are we really in such a bad state

No

 

[more_of_bito]

So apparently:
JUH - staying
Bailey Smith

3

Bailey Smith

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

-Staying
Tim English - staying
naughton - 9 YEARS

So they’re all staying on 9 year deals!?!?! I don’t think so.

My take is Dogs will try for premiership next year and then heavily reset end 2024.

I could count up to 6 first rnd picks

I reckon JUH is gone (he just doesn’t know it). Freo will give 2 to Sydney for MacDonald. Then Sydney sends 3 x 1st round for JUH

English - free agent to eagles. Another 1st round pick.

Smith - first round pick from Geelong.

So dogs could have up to 6x 2024 1st rounders :
1. Dogs 2024
2. Fremantle 2024(JUH)
3. Ports 2024 (JUH)
4. Swans 2024 (JUH)
5. Geelong 2024 (Smith)
6. Dogs Free agency compensation (English)

 

[freo_leo29]

Jamarra loves the dogs, can't see him going anywhere tbh

Lobb will be gone before Marra is

 

[DocT]

Just been thinking of all the negativity surrounding our club regarding the players who have left in the last 2 years. So I decided to give a crack at my best 22 ( no injuries assuming all still here ( Mundy excluded - will be nearly 40 next year)
B Ryan / Pearce / Walker
HB. Clarke / Cox / Chapman
C. Acres / Young / Aish
HF. Switta / Logue ??? / Walters
F. Schultz / Amiss / Jackson
Ruck. Darcy / Brayshaw / Serong
Int. Fyfe / Johnson/ Fredericks / Sturt

Only Acres and Schultz lay down best 22
Logue gets the nod in a fight with Treacy / Lobb / Tabener

Hamling ( better than depth but that is where he sits
Henry ( only beat 22 because Acres left)
Lobb ( fighting for a tall Forward with others)
Meek / Tucker definitely Depth

So let’s replace Acres with Fredricks
(O’Meara or Erasmus to the Bench)
Shultz replaced by Emmet
Logue with either Tabs or treacy)

Are we really in such a bad state

I like your work but going back only 2 years probably isn't enough to answer your closing question Are we really in such a bad state.

Fact is in 2016 we finished 16th. 2024 is Year 8 of our rebuild. Yet we still have a comparatively young list. Many BF posters are seriously questioning if we can make the 8. Many posters and pundits actually have us bottom 5. Our new coach will be in his 5th year. There is no doubt our 'Best 22 Turnover' is well above league average.

Are we in a bad state? Based on our 2023 performance yes, we are. 2024 will provide the definitive answer.

 

[eastfreo75]

Just been thinking of all the negativity surrounding our club regarding the players who have left in the last 2 years. So I decided to give a crack at my best 22 ( no injuries assuming all still here ( Mundy excluded - will be nearly 40 next year)
B Ryan / Pearce / Walker
HB. Clarke / Cox / Chapman
C. Acres / Young / Aish
HF. Switta / Logue ??? / Walters
F. Schultz / Amiss / Jackson
Ruck. Darcy / Brayshaw / Serong
Int. Fyfe / Johnson/ Fredericks / Sturt

Only Acres and Schultz lay down best 22
Logue gets the nod in a fight with Treacy / Lobb / Tabener

Hamling ( better than depth but that is where he sits
Henry ( only beat 22 because Acres left)
Lobb ( fighting for a tall Forward with others)
Meek / Tucker definitely Depth

So let’s replace Acres with Fredricks
(O’Meara or Erasmus to the Bench)
Shultz replaced by Emmet
Logue with either Tabs or treacy)

Are we really in such a bad state

The rebuild has taken too long and losing players and bad trades has kicked the can down the road.

If we had Acres and Lobb this year, we would have made the 8. Meek. Logue and Tucker wouldn't have made much difference.

Losing Shultz and Henry is kicking the can down the road again.

Cerra, Langdon, B Hill, Neale and Weller the other years set back the rebuild.

Going forward we can't lose best 22 players who are entering into their prime.

 

[MadMundy]

Haven't been here in a week, any updates at all??

 

[freo1997]

I like your work but going back only 2 years probably isn't enough to answer your closing question Are we really in such a bad state.

Fact is in 2016 we finished 16th. 2024 is Year 8 of our rebuild. Yet we still have a comparatively young list. Many BF posters are seriously questioning if we can make the 8. Many posters and pundits actually have us bottom 5. Our new coach will be in his 5th year. There is no doubt our 'Best 22 Turnover' is well above league average.

Are we in a bad state? Based on our 2023 performance yes, we are. 2024 will provide the definitive answer.

The rebuild started when Ross left. It’s been 4 seasons, but still that’s 4 years.

Peter Bell really set us back last year.

 

[Superkoops]

Which clubs still need to delist players?


Gc are dropping some picks as it stands I think


Hawks made 2 extra spots right at the last minute

Deadline to nominate for ND 3pm Mon 13/11
Pre-draft list lodgement 2pm Tue 14/11.

Whilst teams can delist players right up until the Tue 2pm it wouldn’t be fair for those to not be able to nominate for draft. That is why we saw a bit of action on Fri. So yes GCS will lose a few picks and seems they are intent on trading out their first couple of higher picks being 24 and 26.

This will require us trading off our pick 46 with 34.