List Mgmt. 2023 List Management

[Juddernaut08]

I’m cool with McGovern as long as the contract has a games clause, a weight clause and isn’t remotely close to the amount his last contract was. If he doesn’t agree to it then we shake hands and move on.

I don't think he's had any fat issues for over a year now. A bit unfair to single him out just because he used to struggle with the cupcakes.

Games clause is great but how would we get him to agree to it?

 

[Coona Blues]

I wouldn't add any of those players to the main list, Ronke would be a watch at best at the moment

Plenty of talented players at the lower levels that would be better options

If we had an MSD draft pick, I would have Ronke right in the mix. Squeezed out of the Swans system, but very familiar with it. Surely would leapfrog Honey and a couple of others. Watching our Ressies, has far more purpose than our other forwards. Cahill more opportunist, Ronke can also create the play. A step up.

I haven’t studied the mature market too closely, but it would be interesting to see what the club would look to add.

Ronke to add some forward potency?
Any mature mids over performing who could offer good coverage if we cut deep at our depth mids at season’s end?
Mature, or close enough to, ruck if TDK not looking like signing?

Any other standouts who have “slipped through the cracks” will likely be gone before our pick, should we even have one.

 

[Arr0w]

If we had an MSD draft pick, I would have Ronke right in the mix. Squeezed out of the Swans system, but very familiar with it. Surely would leapfrog Honey and a couple of others. Watching our Ressies, has far more purpose than our other forwards. Cahill more opportunist, Ronke can also create the play. A step up.

I haven’t studied the mature market too closely, but it would be interesting to see what the club would look to add.

Ronke to add some forward potency?
Any mature mids over performing who could offer good coverage if we cut deep at our depth mids at season’s end?
Mature, or close enough to, ruck if TDK not looking like signing?

Any other standouts who have “slipped through the cracks” will likely be gone before our pick, should we even have one.

Ronke is the best of an average group. For me, seems to have lost his consistent touch and spark, but their is time to work into the season

Mid season draft will depend on the strategy and brief. Is it a mature, experienced type that can have an impact now, or is it a younger, more talented type that has a higher ceiling

Both exist at the lower levels across the country

 

[Bletch]

Ronke is the best of an average group. For me, seems to have lost his consistent touch and spark, but their is time to work into the season

Mid season draft will depend on the strategy and brief. Is it a mature, experienced type that can have an impact now, or is it a younger, more talented type that has a higher ceiling

Both exist at the lower levels across the country

Also depends on our longer term strategy. We're already 2 players over the list limit (Cincotta, O'Keeffe), so need to delist two players at the end of the year before we start looking at trades/draft. Add another player in MSD, and that makes 3. Might make sense to pick up a player at the MSD from our Reserves list if it's on a "this year only" basis. If they're looking outside for a young player with future potential though, it'd mean greater cuts into the existing list.

 

[Coona Blues]

Also depends on our longer term strategy. We're already 2 players over the list limit (Cincotta, O'Keeffe), so need to delist two players at the end of the year before we start looking at trades/draft. Add another player in MSD, and that makes 3. Might make sense to pick up a player at the MSD from our Reserves list if it's on a "this year only" basis. If they're looking outside for a young player with future potential though, it'd mean greater cuts into the existing list.

Unless something comes from left field, if we have a MSD pick it will come courtesy of Cunners or Marchy. Your calculation will not have much merit. They play or they are gone.

I have been a glass half full, supporter of their retention. The time has unfortunately come, they play or the highway.
A chance exists that they may come good in another regime with scope to carry them, but for us, enough is enough. Get on the bloody park boys.

Edit: Just quietly would love to know who is the culprit from the shenanigans with Cuners. If they are fringe…

 

[branedotorg]

Also depends on our longer term strategy. We're already 2 players over the list limit (Cincotta, O'Keeffe), so need to delist two players at the end of the year before we start looking at trades/draft. Add another player in MSD, and that makes 3. Might make sense to pick up a player at the MSD from our Reserves list if it's on a "this year only" basis. If they're looking outside for a young player with future potential though, it'd mean greater cuts into the existing list.

Name	Years Service	Status
Alex Cincotta​	1​	Non-Free Agent​
Brodie Kemp​	4​	Non-Free Agent​
Caleb Marchbank​	7​	Non-Free Agent​
David Cuningham​	8​	Restricted Free Agent​
Domanic Akuei​	2​	Non-Free Agent​
Edward Curnow​	13​	Unrestricted Free Agent​
Hudson O'Keeffe​	1​	Non-Free Agent​
Jack Silvagni​	8​	Restricted Free Agent​
Jesse Motlop​	2​	Non-Free Agent​
Josh Honey​	4​	Non-Free Agent​
Lachlan Fogarty​	3​	Non-Free Agent​
Lachlan Plowman​	8​	Restricted Free Agent​
Marc Pittonet​	4​	Non-Free Agent​
Mitch McGovern​	5​	Non-Free Agent​
Nic Newman​	5​	Non-Free Agent​
Paddy Dow​	6​	Non-Free Agent​
Sam Durdin​	2​	Non-Free Agent​
Sam Philp​	4​	Non-Free Agent​
Tom De Koning​	6​	Non-Free Agent​

i think i can see five or six who'll be let go or traded on there without any effort at all, motlop and TDK apart not much trade value either.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

I don't think he's had any fat issues for over a year now. A bit unfair to single him out just because he used to struggle with the cupcakes.

Games clause is great but how would we get him to agree to it?

Look at Zion Williamson in the nba. His contract states that he has to weigh in 7 times a season. That’s their franchise player so I think we can request at least something similar.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Don’t think we’d get more than a half eaten pasty for those 2

mmmm pasty...

 

[Pablito]

Name	Years Service	Status
Alex Cincotta​	1​	Non-Free Agent​
Brodie Kemp​	4​	Non-Free Agent​
Caleb Marchbank​	7​	Non-Free Agent​
David Cuningham​	8​	Restricted Free Agent​
Domanic Akuei​	2​	Non-Free Agent​
Edward Curnow​	13​	Unrestricted Free Agent​
Hudson O'Keeffe​	1​	Non-Free Agent​
Jack Silvagni​	8​	Restricted Free Agent​
Jesse Motlop​	2​	Non-Free Agent​
Josh Honey​	4​	Non-Free Agent​
Lachlan Fogarty​	3​	Non-Free Agent​
Lachlan Plowman​	8​	Restricted Free Agent​
Marc Pittonet​	4​	Non-Free Agent​
Mitch McGovern​	5​	Non-Free Agent​
Nic Newman​	5​	Non-Free Agent​
Paddy Dow​	6​	Non-Free Agent​
Sam Durdin​	2​	Non-Free Agent​
Sam Philp​	4​	Non-Free Agent​
Tom De Koning​	6​	Non-Free Agent​

i think i can see five or six who'll be let go or traded on there without any effort at all, motlop and TDK apart not much trade value either.

Could be as many as 10 off that list.

Philp, Dow, Plowman, McGovern, Fogarty, Honey, Curnow, Akuei, Marchbank, DC.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Look at Zion Williamson in the nba. His contract states that he has to weigh in 7 times a season. That’s their franchise player so I think we can request at least something similar.

McGovern is nowhere near as unprofessional and or undisciplined as Zion if that is what you are inferring (I am.a keen NBA watcher)

McGovern's main problems right now is chronic injuries, he was flying playing down back in the intercept marking role before getting a nasty injury late in the Home and Away season, his weight had nothing to do with his absence

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Also depends on our longer term strategy. We're already 2 players over the list limit (Cincotta, O'Keeffe), so need to delist two players at the end of the year before we start looking at trades/draft. Add another player in MSD, and that makes 3. Might make sense to pick up a player at the MSD from our Reserves list if it's on a "this year only" basis. If they're looking outside for a young player with future potential though, it'd mean greater cuts into the existing list.

Pick up the player best suited to our list in the MSD. Worry about list sizes later.

If it’s a ready made small forward that may help us push deep into finals, cool. If it’s a 19 year old who has come on quickly and could be a big part of our future, also cool.

We can’t be picking or missing certain players based on what might happen with Marchbank, Cuningham, Philp types. Use every avenue to improve what we have.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Look at Zion Williamson in the nba. His contract states that he has to weigh in 7 times a season. That’s their franchise player so I think we can request at least something similar.

Zion is another level (although somehow still jumps higher than everyone).

McGovern went through a chubbster/butterball phase for the first 12 months but IMO has since been in good nick.

Compare it to his brother, they are just the body type that never looked ripped. Just naturally a bit plumper, but still got explosiveness.

Lack of muscle definition doesn't mean he's still a lardass.

 

[No1Suspect]

Ill take 3 amigos please....

 

[thebluenewdeal]

McGovern is nowhere near as unprofessional and or undisciplined as Zion if that is what you are inferring (I am.a keen NBA watcher)

McGovern's main problems right now is chronic injuries, he was flying playing down back in the intercept marking role before getting a nasty injury late in the Home and Away season, his weight had nothing to do with his absence

they say the same thing about stringer, it’s not just bad luck. Half arsed preseasons come back to haunt players when they start to get their bodies going again. Same goes with Zion. He half arses it then when he feels like the team need him he ramps it up but it always backfires. There’s plenty of these types in all sports. Just coz gov plays for us doesn’t make him immune to the same issues. However, I believe McGovern is getting more professional in last 12 months but I don’t know what will happen once he gets the new contract.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

What do you think of the idea of putting Cunners and Marchy on the inactive list to allow us to bring 2 of McMahon, Lieu, Cahill or Ronke onto the list through the mid season draft?

IMO being at the club they shouldn’t take too long to integrate into the game plan. Also they wouldn’t have to relocate so probably wouldn’t ask for extended term past the end of the season.

Id be happier if we just delisted them.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Ronke is the best of an average group. For me, seems to have lost his consistent touch and spark, but their is time to work into the season

Mid season draft will depend on the strategy and brief. Is it a mature, experienced type that can have an impact now, or is it a younger, more talented type that has a higher ceiling

Both exist at the lower levels across the country

I'd take Cahill over Ronke in a heartbeat.

But you're correct though - it'd depend on what our list strategy is, and who would potentially be available. Do we bring in a younger player to get him into the system, or a mature player to fill a role.

Given we've only got one decent pick in the draft as it currently stands, I'm thinking it may well be the latter.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Look at Zion Williamson in the nba. His contract states that he has to weigh in 7 times a season. That’s their franchise player so I think we can request at least something similar.

He gets paid regardless of whether he's fat, injured or hurt his ticker and effort muscle. Same as Ben Simmons. They dont care. They're hundred millionaires, not playing, out banging OnlyFans models, while people on the internet whinge about them

 

[BlueTongue]

Name	Years Service	Status
Alex Cincotta​	1​	Non-Free Agent​
Brodie Kemp​	4​	Non-Free Agent​
Caleb Marchbank​	7​	Non-Free Agent​
David Cuningham​	8​	Restricted Free Agent​
Domanic Akuei​	2​	Non-Free Agent​
Edward Curnow​	13​	Unrestricted Free Agent​
Hudson O'Keeffe​	1​	Non-Free Agent​
Jack Silvagni​	8​	Restricted Free Agent​
Jesse Motlop​	2​	Non-Free Agent​
Josh Honey​	4​	Non-Free Agent​
Lachlan Fogarty​	3​	Non-Free Agent​
Lachlan Plowman​	8​	Restricted Free Agent​
Marc Pittonet​	4​	Non-Free Agent​
Mitch McGovern​	5​	Non-Free Agent​
Nic Newman​	5​	Non-Free Agent​
Paddy Dow​	6​	Non-Free Agent​
Sam Durdin​	2​	Non-Free Agent​
Sam Philp​	4​	Non-Free Agent​
Tom De Koning​	6​	Non-Free Agent​

i think i can see five or six who'll be let go or traded on there without any effort at all, motlop and TDK apart not much trade value either.

My biggest problem with our list is that there are way too many fringe players.

Not sure why we don't give some of our players more of a chance, instead of the usual names coming in for a game then going back out the next week.
So far Vossy has replaced Like for Like, but this week's team - Alex Cincotta is named on an extended bench replacing Saad.
He should be guaranteed a game if he has been playing as good as they say.

eg. O'Brien, Plowman, Honey, Kemp and in the past Fogarty - forever in and out of the side

Then we have the perpetually injured - Martin, McGovern, Marchbank, Cuningham & Philp. We know the first 3 can play but have 'Unreliable Bodies' but Cuningham & Philp have barely had a week where they aren't injured.

What about Dow & Sam Durdin?
What incentive do our players have if the club continues to play favorites?

We need to build a culture where a player is rewarded with at least 2 games (time to adjust on the 1st game) if they have been playing well, and if a player struggling on form (Martin) goes out, they need to fight their way back - no automatic selection when fit.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Pick up the player best suited to our list in the MSD. Worry about list sizes later.

If it’s a ready made small forward that may help us push deep into finals, cool. If it’s a 19 year old who has come on quickly and could be a big part of our future, also cool.

We can’t be picking or missing certain players based on what might happen with Marchbank, Cuningham, Philp types. Use every avenue to improve what we have.

Given that I think there are a large number of players that could be moved on, I find the fact that we already have an oversized list a blessing rather than a curse. Surely someone will be put on the inactive list to give us a pick in the MD. We should even be getting in the the ear of someone to stipulate an 18 month contract, if that's still a thing.

 

[Monty1978]

He gets paid regardless of whether he's fat, injured or hurt his ticker and effort muscle. Same as Ben Simmons. They dont care. They're hundred millionaires, not playing, out banging OnlyFans models, while people on the internet whinge about them

Agree it’s a dif sport and guaranteed money makes a huge difference .. probably AFL should lean towards the NFL model of non guaranteed money

 

[TENACIOUS]

Unless we put someone on the inactive list, in the next week or two, we won't even have a pick in the MSD...

 

[thebluenewdeal]

He gets paid regardless of whether he's fat, injured or hurt his ticker and effort muscle. Same as Ben Simmons. They dont care. They're hundred millionaires, not playing, out banging OnlyFans models, while people on the internet whinge about them

contract is easier to move if he doesn’t hit those triggers though.

 

[HarryFlashman]

Agree it’s a dif sport and guaranteed money makes a huge difference .. probably AFL should lean towards the NFL model of non guaranteed money

They don’t make enough money to be non guaranteed- concept is solid but there’s not enough cash to make the prac work (min salary (rookie) in NFL is $750k - avg is $2.1M thats usd not aud)

 

[Beyond Blue]

Name	Years Service	Status
Alex Cincotta​	1​	Non-Free Agent​
Brodie Kemp​	4​	Non-Free Agent​
Caleb Marchbank​	7​	Non-Free Agent​
David Cuningham​	8​	Restricted Free Agent​
Domanic Akuei​	2​	Non-Free Agent​
Edward Curnow​	13​	Unrestricted Free Agent​
Hudson O'Keeffe​	1​	Non-Free Agent​
Jack Silvagni​	8​	Restricted Free Agent​
Jesse Motlop​	2​	Non-Free Agent​
Josh Honey​	4​	Non-Free Agent​
Lachlan Fogarty​	3​	Non-Free Agent​
Lachlan Plowman​	8​	Restricted Free Agent​
Marc Pittonet​	4​	Non-Free Agent​
Mitch McGovern​	5​	Non-Free Agent​
Nic Newman​	5​	Non-Free Agent​
Paddy Dow​	6​	Non-Free Agent​
Sam Durdin​	2​	Non-Free Agent​
Sam Philp​	4​	Non-Free Agent​
Tom De Koning​	6​	Non-Free Agent​

i think i can see five or six who'll be let go or traded on there without any effort at all, motlop and TDK apart not much trade value either.

From that list I would be hoping we retain TDK, Pittonet, SOS, Motlop, Newman, Kemp, Cincotta, O’Keefe, Kemp and Sam Durdin.

I’d keep Gov provided it’s on a one year incentive based contract but if he wants more than that then we should be prepared to let him walk.

The rest should be let go IMO. I doubt any of them have any trade. Martin is under contract for 2024 so he probably stays as he would also have no trade value.

Provided there is no other changes that’s still a lot of changes in one year which is the cost of not delisting Cunners and Marchy at the end of last year.

 

[Garters]

From that list I would be hoping we retain TDK, Pittonet, SOS, Motlop, Newman, Kemp, Cincotta, O’Keefe, Kemp and Sam Durdin.

I’d keep Gov provided it’s on a one year incentive based contract but if he wants more than that then we should be prepared to let him walk.

The rest should be let go IMO. I doubt any of them have any trade. Martin is under contract for 2024 so he probably stays as he would also have no trade value.

Provided there is no other changes that’s still a lot of changes in one year which is the cost of not delisting Cunners and Marchy at the end of last year.

Given how heavily front loaded Martin's contract was. I would offer him up and we pay the last year in exchange for a draft pick. Opens up a spot. Effectively just paying it out, but if you can get a draft pick on the way through take it. Would rather a list spot and a late pick than holding onto a player for an extra 12 months that cannot get on the park. Got to turn over this part of the list.