Training 2023 Pre-season thread

[Nathan Barley]

The lesser known players at your club tipped to play senior footy in 2023

The youngsters, draftees or fringe players set to step up.

www.sen.com.au

interesting that sharp is mentioned by neale

havent been blown away by him in any of the match sim / praccy matches but there seems to be a lot of positive messaging coming out around him from the club

The wings are probably our biggest weakness. Sharp at the very least can run

 

[Section 5]

I don't have a direct memory of the clangers for Andrews, Rich McKenna, but guessing they were pressured kicks out of contest that got turned over? Payne's issues are the turnovers which are totally unpressured, which can hopefully decrease as he gets more experience.

Payne had a total of 17 clangers in his 12 games in 2022
That is an average of 1.4 per game.

His turnovers were higher being 31 or 2.6 per game
So yes he needs to clear that up a bit seeing so far he is not a huge possession getter averaging just 11 disposals last year.

Coleman and Rich should become his best friend out of defense.

 

[Dalions]

The lesser known players at your club tipped to play senior footy in 2023

The youngsters, draftees or fringe players set to step up.

www.sen.com.au

interesting that sharp is mentioned by neale

havent been blown away by him in any of the match sim / praccy matches but there seems to be a lot of positive messaging coming out around him from the club

I would go so far as to say that imo he is not ready.
Jimmy Tunstill is more ready than Sharpy.

 

[FootyNorth]

Unfortunate shadow placement for Luke Parker. Omen for the Swans??

 

[morsie]

To reflect for a moment, nice to have the selection dilemmas we have. At some stage we are gonna be hit with injuries. Having
Prior, Answerth, Lyons, Fort, Joyce, Tunstall and Mathieson (to name but a few) fighting for positions and waiting in the wings is very reassuring. Not sure but it feels to be the best depth we have had since the early 2000 glory days.

Was there that much depth then,serious question.I reckon except for ruckman we had a pretty good run with injury.Someone with more patience and knowledge than me might comment further.

 

[Brett C]

I would go so far as to say that imo he is not ready.
Jimmy Tunstill is more ready than Sharpy.

I would go so far as to say that Lachie Neale probably has a better idea that we do.

 

[Dalions]

I would go so far as to say that Lachie Neale probably has a better idea that we do.

What would he know.

 

[BuntonRules]

What would he know.

As long as Harris is on the same page.

 

[Dalions]

As long as Harris is on the same page.

If you listen to the media, no chance!

 

[chopperduck]

Let's hope so. The issue I believe will arrise if they adjudicate those things correctly though is that the media and fans will jump on the 'put the whistle away and let them play' bandwagon, rather than saying 'the game wouldn't stop every 30 seconds if players could play within the rules.'

Cause and affect. They have been allowed to get away with so much for so long. Crack down on it, it will take a little bit of time, but they will adjust their actions so they don't give away free kicks.

Get rid of off the molestation of players without the ball and the game would be a much better to watch.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Cause and affect. They have been allowed to get away with so much for so long. Crack down on it, it will take a little bit of time, but they will adjust their actions so they don't give away free kicks.

Get rid of off the molestation of players without the ball and the game would be a much better to watch.

"Pre-tackling". When it is actually better to be second to the ball because you can basically be inside someone's shorts before they even take possession. If you are not first to the ball or side by side with your opponent, it is physically impossible for you to either shepherd, or bump in the side. Thus, ANY contact, regardless of how incidental it is, should see the first player rewarded with a free kick.

If prior opportunity is eliminated (which I believe it eventually should and will be), this is an absolute must as a corollary. Otherwise the game will be end up looking like those cycling races where they sit at the top of the track trying to outdo the other guy as to who can go the slowest.

 

[Berrygood]

The wings are probably our biggest weakness. Sharp at the very least can run

Yeah, not sure I agree that the wings are our biggest weakness. I think with our squad it's our biggest opportunity. Berry, Tunstill, Wilmot, McKenna, Dev, Bailey, Ah Chee, Answerth, Sharp, plenty with the ability to claim that role. It may take a while to work out who suits it best, but once it's sorted I think we'll be right. It's an area, along with sm/med half-backs, that maybe be our biggest uncertainties, but with the quality of players pushing for those roles I can't see them as a weakness.

Biggest weakness, without doubt, is our tall defenders. Even then it's not a weakness with the starting quality of players, Andrews, Gardiner, Payne. It's a weakness in the depth. All 3 are injury prone to some degree. Rayner has been trialled down back but I do think he would struggle against a tall, tall fwd. We have Joyce, unproven as yet, Gunston can and has gone back with some success, and then we have Fullerton and possibly Lester, but both I think would be last options.

Like every club, we are susceptible to multiple injuries in a position. Our susceptibilities are tall defenders and possibly tall forwards, even ruck if both O and Fort go down at the same time. But again the weakness is in depth not starting quality. Joyce, Fullerton, H Smith and Lane, big questions for these tall lads if disaster strikes but also great opportunity if they can stand up n take it.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Yeah, not sure I agree that the wings are our biggest weakness. I think with our squad it's our biggest opportunity. Berry, Tunstill, Wilmot, McKenna, Dev, Bailey, Ah Chee, Answerth, Sharp, plenty with the ability to claim that role. It may take a while to work out who suits it best, but once it's sorted I think we'll be right. It's an area, along with sm/med half-backs, that maybe be our biggest uncertainties, but with the quality of players pushing for those roles I can't see them as a weakness.

Biggest weakness, without doubt, is our tall defenders. Even then it's not a weakness with the starting quality of players, Andrews, Gardiner, Payne. It's a weakness in the depth. All 3 are injury prone to some degree. Rayner has been trialled down back but I do think he would struggle against a tall, tall fwd. We have Joyce, unproven as yet, Gunston can and has gone back with some success, and then we have Fullerton and possibly Lester, but both I think would be last options.

Like every club, we are susceptible to multiple injuries in a position. Our susceptibilities are tall defenders and possibly tall forwards, even ruck if both O and Fort go down at the same time. But again the weakness is in depth not starting quality. Joyce, Fullerton, H Smith and Lane, big questions for these tall lads if disaster strikes but also great opportunity if they can stand up n take it.

So you'd rather have weaker but more plentiful options for a position rather than having decent starters but little depth?

 

[Dalions]

So you'd rather have weaker but more plentiful options for a position rather than having decent starters but little depth?

With the way that we play footy as a team, the wingers are pretty much role players within the team, we have many that can play the role.

 

[Nathan Barley]

With the way that we play footy as a team, the wingers are pretty much role players within the team, we have many that can play the role.

It's a bit chicken-egg though. If we had a couple of gun wingers we may play differently. If we have those only capable of playing a role adequately we'll setup not to play too much through them

 

[Dalions]

It's a bit chicken-egg though. If we had a couple of gun wingers we may play differently. If we have those only capable of playing a role adequately we'll setup not to play too much through them

I am hoping that we can use our wingers a bit more this year and be a bit more expansive.

 

[On the quiet]

Drafted in 2017 so Payne has been in the system for 5 years. No AFL games in the first 2 years.
However, 5 of those 27 games were finals so great experience for him.
He has looked fairly comfortable playing in the sims and trial games.
Possibly because he knows the spot is for him to lose.

I have high hopes for him this year but as you say he will have some clangers for sure.
He only had 1 clanger in the Cats game, compared to 5 each for co-defenders Andrews, Rich & McKenna

we also tend to forget that after an encouraging preseason game against swans (2018) did not play any footy in 2018, not even ressies, and i think he also had an interrupted pre season and missed some of 2019, but not sure on 2019. If you look over his stats (footy wire) over his 20 odd games and compare against Gardiners last couple of years Payne is doing OK. Yes the odd clanger is a bit of a concern.

 

[Berrygood]

So you'd rather have weaker but more plentiful options for a position rather than having decent starters but little depth?

No, I'm saying we don't have weak options, we just haven't settled on the right ones yet. I think the options we have are pretty strong and there is good depth for wing, and hb for that matter. I don't see that as a weakness or that we have a weakness in that area.

I also said we have very good starting options for tall defenders, tall fwds and the ruck but our depth in those areas is limited. It's that limited depth I see as a weakness. I never said that's the way I'd prefer it, it's just the way I see it.

 

[The Kings Ransom]

What’s happening with Blake Coleman?
Hardly heard peep about him after he got pumped up a bit pre draft.
I see his VFL stats are pretty mediocre.
Averaging about 12 disposals and just over 1 goal/game last year.

What’s your thoughts and hopes for him this year?

 

[M Malice]

What’s happening with Blake Coleman?
Hardly heard peep about him after he got pumped up a bit pre draft.
I see his VFL stats are pretty mediocre.
Averaging about 12 disposals and just over 1 goal/game last year.

What’s your thoughts and hopes for him this year?

Looks great in glimpses in the VFL but his endurance is poor to say the least, hopefully it is steadily on the improve.... OOC this year so a big chance to be delisted unless there is improvement.

 

[Nunez]

What’s happening with Blake Coleman?
Hardly heard peep about him after he got pumped up a bit pre draft.
I see his VFL stats are pretty mediocre.
Averaging about 12 disposals and just over 1 goal/game last year.

What’s your thoughts and hopes for him this year?

This was his first full pre season. Definitely fitter this year than previous years. No doubt playing the long game with him. In terms of development, would want a 30 goal season from him if playing the Charlie Cameron role, otherwise would like to see him get more touches playing up the ground. He and Lohmann will be great to watch.

 

[Dalions]

They have been doing some pretty tacky stuff lately.
But This one is pretty good.

 

[The Kings Ransom]

This was his first full pre season. Definitely fitter this year than previous years. No doubt playing the long game with him. In terms of development, would want a 30 goal season from him if playing the Charlie Cameron role, otherwise would like to see him get more touches playing up the ground. He and Lohmann will be great to watch.

30 goals in the VFL?
Doesn't sound like you think he'll get a sniff of the AFL team.
If he's not in the frame for an AFL debut by end of the year then he might consider a move for more opportunity.

 

[Dalions]

30 goals in the VFL?
Doesn't sound like you think he'll get a sniff of the AFL team.
If he's not in the frame for an AFL debut by end of the year then he might consider a move for more opportunity.

He might, but out of the small forward options we have playing VFL, Lohmann is well and truly ahead of him at this stage.
We also have players like AhChee, Cockatoo who would more likely be picked over him at this stage for his role and then DWJ and Brain who would be pushing him also.

 

[Berrygood]

30 goals in the VFL?
Doesn't sound like you think he'll get a sniff of the AFL team.
If he's not in the frame for an AFL debut by end of the year then he might consider a move for more opportunity.

How's Tom Berry going?