Opinion 2024 and Beyond

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Seriously Horace, if you're going to play the pedant first check your facts. Otherwise you just confirm what others already suspect.

Cunningham debuted in 2012 but he missed out on the 2012, 2016 and 2022 Grand Finals. The only Grand Final he has been selected for was 2014. Technically he's 0-1 but he could also be considered 0-4 if you include the three GF years where he didn't even get selected. And before you get all pedantic again, he had little chance of being selected for 2012 having played only round 1, but not being selected for a winning Grand Final would be even worse than not being selected for a losing Grand Final. So, pedantry aside, my point stands. Cunningham deserves to win a GF before he retires.

Your claim that none of the players I mentioned are 0-3 is complete BS.

Jake LLoyd is 0-3. He debuted in 2013 and played in the losing Grand Finals of 14,16, and 22

Dane Rampe is also 0-3. He debuted in 2013 and also played the Grand Finals of 14,16, and 22

Back to my original point then. Cunningham, LLoyd and Rampe are all loyal veteran servants of our club who have never been lucky enough to win a premiership. They deserve to retire as premiership defenders and I hope we can get them a premiership in 2024.

none played well in 22…all were broken hearted at seeing Sam Reid,the talisman , limp about like a you know.., a weak ….

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

none played well in 22…all were broken hearted at seeing Sam Reid,the talisman , limp about like a you know.., a weak ….

so this was less than “seriously“ RubbaDuck

 

[rustycrate]

I agree it'd be good to have more options up forward but Ugle-Hagan is no upgrade on McDonald and IMO not enough of an upgrade on McLean or Amartey. Either of the latter could make the step up this year. Reid is another option for 2024 if he's fit and then there's Buller, who has shown flashes. This is the first true non Buddy pre-season for these guys, where they will really have an opportunity to gel as a forward line.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that Ugle-Hagan has huge upside, but he isn't much more ready than what we have. I just don't think we'd get our best bang for buck investing a lot in a "future" star for a modicum of gain in our foward line. I think we've got a very healthy forward line, now but particularly for the future.

Our defence needs topping up, now and even more so over the next few years as a few stalwarts retire. Our midfield was struggling in 2023 but gets maybe a few years reprieve from the inclusion of Grundy and Adams. Unless we have guys like Gus coming through and breaking out and Ladhams or a young ruck like McAndrews and later Green doing the same, we could drop off if either of new midfield/ruck recruits are injured or they drop in form.

As a team on the cusp we should keep on eye on the future but we shouldn't be scared to who want a flag before they retire.use our premiership potential to attract genuine established stars

Our defence needs topping up, now and even more so over the next few years as a few stalwarts retire.
With 7 KPDs on our list now I don't see us going KPD in trade or draft next year. KPD quality has question marks, but traditionally we don't invest a lot in our KPDs as far as draft picks go. Some are recycled forwards too.
Defensive migration of mids includes Rampe, Lloyd, Cunningham, Florent and arguably Blakey.

Midfield is stacked. We have more midfielders now than last year and previous years. Traditionally we migrate mids to defensive roles and forward roles. So I am not worried about non talls. Players like Mills, McInerney, Campbell etc can go back and fill in and potentially stay there. That's the way we roll.

Forward migration of mids includes Heeney. Parker, Mills Campbell, Sheldrick and other mids rest here. Sheldrick could play permanent small forward. So could others.
I am not worried at all about non talls.

I agree with you that Ugle-Hagan has huge upside
I am only bringing up UH if Buller does not come on or Amartey plays something like 6-8 games again or whatever.

use our premiership potential to attract genuine established stars
We did that this year. We also have a long line of draftees and rookies. I like the fact that we regenerate at the same time as contending better than most. I don't want to go all Essendon and trade in established stars who culturally don't fit, blow our salary cap or alienate young draftees. Sydney has a culture of developing its own stars from the draft and rookie lists. We are always a threat to other sides because we have balance in our trading and recruiting. Our management and coaching structure is so stable that it does not need short term wins that so many other clubs seem to want and fall into traps because they need to win over fans and for other reasons.

No need to change our current strategy which has served us so well over the last 20 years.

We continually contend AND we regenerate for the future at the same time.

 

[RubbaDuck]

Our defence needs topping up, now and even more so over the next few years as a few stalwarts retire.
With 7 KPDs on our list now I don't see us going KPD in trade or draft next year. KPD quality has question marks, but traditionally we don't invest a lot in our KPDs as far as draft picks go. Some are recycled forwards too.
Defensive migration of mids includes Rampe, Lloyd, Cunningham, Florent and arguably Blakey.

Midfield is stacked. We have more midfielders now than last year and previous years. Traditionally we migrate mids to defensive roles and forward roles. So I am not worried about non talls. Players like Mills, McInerney, Campbell etc can go back and fill in and potentially stay there. That's the way we roll.

Forward migration of mids includes Heeney. Parker, Mills Campbell, Sheldrick and other mids rest here. Sheldrick could play permanent small forward. So could others.
I am not worried at all about non talls.

I agree with you that Ugle-Hagan has huge upside
I am only bring up UH if Buller does not come on or Amartey plays something like 6-8 games again or whatever.

use our premiership potential to attract genuine established stars
We did that this year. We also have a long line of draftees and rookies. I like the fact that we regenerate at the same time as contending better than most. I don't want to go all Essendon and trade in established stars who culturally don't fit. Sydney has a culture of developing its own stars from the draft and rookie lists. We are always a threat to other sides because we have balance in our trading and recruiting. Our management and coaching structure is so stable that it does not need short term wins that so many other clubs seem to want and fall into traps because they need to win over fans and for other reasons.

No need to change our current strategy which has served us so well over the last 20 years.

We continually contend AND we regenerate for the future at the same time.

You missed my main point, which is that our forward line is the least of our concerns.

I do have some concern when Rampe, LLoyd and Cunningham all retire, as we are already lacking a quality key defender and our depth is pretty average. Hamling may find some good form, Francis, Melican may step up, but last year we were found out for lack of depth. Some mids could go back, though not McInerney. He's s liability in defence.

We have lots of midfielder rotations but we lack the quality of previous years. Parker & Mills are great players but they're not big bulls like Kennedy. We lacked that big bodied mid last year and we got pushed around. Adams l help until he tires. Grundy adds a big body to the mids as he plays like another midfielder but he's no spring chicken either.

We can't just think long term. We're not Essendon. We're not rebuilding. We don't need to impress fans for the sake of it. But we do need to think both long and short term. We're within a sniff of another premiership and, like Geelong and Collingwood, we can leverage our position to attract mature recycled talent to get us over that last hump, if someone is available and they fit a need. Do you think we'd have won in 2005 without recycled players, some cheap some not so cheap, like Barry Hall, Paul Williams, Nick Davis, Craig Bolton and Darren Jolly? I'm not talking about selling the farm, but if we can pick up the calibre of Adams and Grundy for a reasonable price, we should look for more. We should still develop our younger guys at the same time, even if they get their opportunities while mature players are rested periodically to keep them primed for the finals. We need to grown organically AND fill gaps strategically, but the latter even more so in our current position. We won't win a premiership with holes in the team

 

[RubbaDuck]

so this was less than “seriously“ RubbaDuck

You seem to be happiest replying to your own posts, so I'll just leave you to play by yourself

 

[rustycrate]

You missed my main point, which is that our forward line is the least of our concerns.

I do have some concern when Rampe, LLoyd and Cunningham all retire, as we are already lacking a quality key defender and our depth is pretty average. Hamling may find some good form, Francis, Melican may step up, but last year we were found out for lack of depth. Some mids could go back, though not McInerney. He's s liability in defence.

We have lots of midfielder rotations but we lack the quality of previous years. Parker & Mills are great players but they're not big bulls like Kennedy. We lacked that big bodied mid last year and we got pushed around. Adams l help until he tires. Grundy adds a big body to the mids as he plays like another midfielder but he's no spring chicken either.

We can't just think long term. We're not Essendon. We're not rebuilding. We don't need to impress fans for the sake of it. But we do need to think both long and short term. We're within a sniff of another premiership and, like Geelong and Collingwood, we can leverage our position to attract mature recycled talent to get us over that last hump, if someone is available and they fit a need. Do you think we'd have won in 2005 without recycled players, some cheap some not so cheap, like Barry Hall, Paul Williams, Nick Davis, Craig Bolton and Darren Jolly? I'm not talking about selling the farm, but if we can pick up the calibre of Adams and Grundy for a reasonable price, we should look for more. We should still develop our younger guys at the same time, even if they get their opportunities while mature players are rested periodically to keep them primed for the finals. We need to grown organically AND fill gaps strategically, but the latter even more so in our current position. We won't win a premiership with holes in the team

Hey Rubba, I'm one of your biggest fans!! Love your work. You are more erudite and eloquent than me.
You said: You missed my main point, which is that our forward line is the least of our concerns.

I thought I covered this. We have ample mids that can go back and forward and cover non tall roles. This is what we do.
A big bodied mid role is potentially what Sheldrick hopefully will fullfil.
KPD is covered by ample numbers.
Ruck is oversubscribed.
KPF. I have question marks over Buller and Amartey that a UH could cover. I don't think it is the least of our worries.

I imagine if Kinnear thinks we have holes he will fill them. I recall his outburst in an interview where he was unhappy with Amartey. Uncharacteristic of him. It stuck in my mind. I imagine Amartey is on his mind still too. Unfullfilled potential and a liability at this stage. That is why I think UH is not out of the realms of possibilities of being a Swan in 2025.

 

[Jewelsbon]

none played well in 22…all were broken hearted at seeing Sam Reid,the talisman , limp about like a you know.., a weak ….

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

At the moment JUH is > Amartey by a huge margin. A long term deal with JUH would be huge for fan recruitment and I can see JUH and Logan dominating the forward lines for a decade to come.

Then my alarm went off and woke me up.

JUH is way way better than Naughton and if we had a crack at him I would also have a go at JUH. Think he’d like the bloods culture and being away from the spotlight in Melb.

 

[RubbaDuck]

Hey Rubba, I'm one of your biggest fans!! Love your work. You are more erudite and eloquent than me.
You said: You missed my main point, which is that our forward line is the least of our concerns.

I thought I covered this. We have ample mids that can go back and forward and cover non tall roles. This is what we do.
A big bodied mid role is potentially what Sheldrick hopefully will fullfil.
KPD is covered by ample numbers.
Ruck is oversubscribed.
KPF. I have question marks over Buller and Amartey that a UH could cover. I don't think it is the least of our worries.

I imagine if Kinnear thinks we have holes he will fill them. I recall his outburst in an interview where he was unhappy with Amartey. Uncharacteristic of him. It stuck in my mind. I imagine Amartey is on his mind still too. Unfullfilled potential and a liability at this stage. That is why I think UH is not out of the realms of possibilities of being a Swan in 2025.

Hey Rusty, my bad, I think we're pretty much agreeing. And just between you and me, I get the wood for your work too. But I don't dare write that in a public forum.

I'm just lookng for a good topic to fill the time between footy seasons, like talking about identifying weaknesses in our team, when in fact, we're in pretty good shape. Not perfect, sure, but it's hard to look much closer, for me anyway, without being inside the innermost sanctum of the club. I guess realising there is much more that one doesn't know than one does know is the first step. It's hard to glean much more about our club and its personnel when the presses have ground to a halt. Every off-season I feel the cut off, which is one reason I come on here, in the hope of finding some scraps. I also like the vibe, the odd debate and the humour, of course. I just wish there was something more than a mere haha icon for the times when I really want to say "I pissed myself I was laughing so hard"

Maybe Horace has the right idea, to blame everything that goes wrong on Sam Reid. (Sorry Horace. I was joking. I enjoy <most of> your posts).

I sometimes get angry with inanimate objects. When my wife asks me why I'm cursing a car, a hammer, a phone, computer, pillow, t-shirt or whatever, I tell her it's therapeutic, and better than being angry at a person. In truth, I'm usually just annoyed that I did something stupid, but uncomfortable admitting it was my fault. I'm a lot harder on myself than I am on others.

Sorry, I realise I'm abusing your good nature and framing my reply as a form of self-help therapy.

 

[RubbaDuck]

The haha emoji doesn't cut it Jewels. I want to say I think I might've pissed myself I was laughing so hard

 

[RubbaDuck]

At the moment JUH is > Amartey by a huge margin. A long term deal with JUH would be huge for fan recruitment and I can see JUH and Logan dominating the forward lines for a decade to come.

Then my alarm went off and woke me up.

JUH is way way better than Naughton and if we had a crack at him I would also have a go at JUH. Think he’d like the bloods culture and being away from the spotlight in Melb.

You're really learning how to generate replies, likes etc by making suitably controversial statements

Personally, I don't agree Amartey is a huge margin behind JUH, but it's true Amartey lacks consistency and reliability. When he's good he's very very good, so his upside seems enormous. We need to help him tap into more of his mojo. He's already quite a physical player, which is a great attribute but brings risk at a young age.

I look at our forwards and I see a step by step improvement in three young and already talented talls. I'd love to have a talent like JUH on board but fear he'd cost more than any advantage we'd get, given we already have three very good young talls. Those three amigos will get so much better, individually and as a group. It's better to focus on keeping and getting the best out of the talls we have and helping them gel, IMHO.

As for JUH being better than Naughton? To paraphrase Apple TV's brilliant series Silo. "One day Ugle-Hagan may be better than Naughton, but that day is not this day"

 

[RubbaDuck]

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Sam Reid AFL Stats Comparison

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Sam Reid AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Statistically Sam Reid

20

Sam Reid

Age

33

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

was pretty much on par with JUH in 2012, nine months younger than JUH is now, but having already played one more game, a premiership. At the end of 2012 Sam Reid

20

Sam Reid

Age

33

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

was positioned as our future key forward alongside Kurt Tippet. In mid 2013, at the same age as JUH is now, it all fell apart for Sam. 20:20 hindsight tells us Sam then suffered from other injuries, with long periods of absence. That lack of consistency meant he was never able to reach his full potential.

After beginning his career as a young prodigy, Sam's struggles began when he was still 21, in mid 2013 to be exact. He suffered a series of recurring quad injuries, which eventually ruled him out of the rest of the season. I suspect Sam missing half of that season was a big reason we went after Buddy.

At the beginning of 2014, with Buddy secured, Horse sought to re-cast Reid in the role of a utility, who could play equally well at both ends. Trouble was though, when fit and firing Reid remained a natural key forward and so was the obvious choice to fill any hole in the forward line. Reid was similarly lined up for a utility role in 2022, but Paddy Mac filled the 2nd key defender role and Reid ended up filling forward and ruck roles. I don't believe we'd have made it to the 2022 GF without Reid. Nor could we have won it without a fully fit Reid. That point was reinforced in 2023 when we really could have used Reid to fill any of a half dozen roles.

At this point in his career there is no guarantee that JUH won't follow the same path as Reid, though I hope he doesn't. But it reminds us what happens when we rely too heavily on one player.

Reid's journey has been a tough one, a journey of resilience and determination. He was once touted as a future champion forward but instead he has had to play every role thrown at him, an odd-jobber, a jack of all trades and master of none. I hope Sam brings up his 200th this year. He deserves it after giving his heart and soul to our team and helping to build the team we have today. He needs 19 more games in 2024, just one more than he played in 2022.

Can Sam find a spot as a key forward? I wouldn't be surprised to see him training as a key defender, but it may come down to injuries. He's Mr Fixit.

 

[Millky95]

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Sam Reid AFL Stats Comparison

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Sam Reid AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Statistically Sam Reid was pretty much on par with JUH in 2012, nine months younger than JUH is now, but having already played one more game, a premiership. At the end of 2012 Sam Reid was positioned as our future key forward alongside Kurt Tippet. In mid 2013, at the same age as JUH is now, it all fell apart for Sam. 20:20 hindsight tells us Sam then suffered from other injuries, with long periods of absence. That lack of consistency meant he was never able to reach his full potential.

After beginning his career as a young prodigy, Sam's struggles began when he was still 21, in mid 2013 to be exact. He suffered a series of recurring quad injuries, which eventually ruled him out of the rest of the season. I suspect Sam missing half of that season was a big reason we went after Buddy.

At the beginning of 2014, with Buddy secured, Horse sought to re-cast Reid in the role of a utility, who could play equally well at both ends. Trouble was though, when fit and firing Reid remained a natural key forward and so was the obvious choice to fill any hole in the forward line. Reid was similarly lined up for a utility role in 2022, but Paddy Mac filled the 2nd key defender role and Reid ended up filling forward and ruck roles. I don't believe we'd have made it to the 2022 GF without Reid. Nor could we have won it without a fully fit Reid. That point was reinforced in 2023 when we really could have used Reid to fill any of a half dozen roles.

At this point in his career there is no guarantee that JUH won't follow the same path as Reid, though I hope he doesn't. But it reminds us what happens when we rely too heavily on one player.

Reid's journey has been a tough one, a journey of resilience and determination. He was once touted as a future champion forward but instead he has had to play every role thrown at him, an odd-jobber, a jack of all trades and master of none. I hope Sam brings up his 200th this year. He deserves it after giving his heart and soul to our team and helping to build the team we have today. He needs 19 more games in 2024, just one more than he played in 2022.

Can Sam find a spot as a key forward? I wouldn't be surprised to see him training as a key defender, but it may come down to injuries. He's Mr Fixit.

A bold comparison. I like it

 

[mtooler]

I really like our list going forward but I think in 2024 at least we have a huge hole in our key defensive stocks

For Key Defenders over 194cm we have

McCartin
Hamling
Melican
Edwards
Snell

Out of those players one is top quality, but has a history of concussions, one is okay, but has played something like 6 games in 4 years, one is better than I think people think he is (Melican) but is not a top quality player and the other two are basically brand new and have not proven themselves at all yet.

My worry is if McCartin goes down Swans will basically be in the middle of the ocean and having just accidentally dropped our fuel container overboard.

Agree we don't want Mccartin going down, but I would put money on Reid being considered down back if needed.

 

[Dan87]

It's going to be tough talking sense when you think McLean and Amartey are near the same level as JUH

 

[Dan87]

Amartey could play like Jamarra for 15 minutes maybe

 

[Kiama Chris]

I agree it'd be good to have more options up forward but Ugle-Hagan is no upgrade on McDonald and IMO not enough of an upgrade on McLean or Amartey. Either of the latter could make the step up this year. Reid is another option for 2024 if he's fit and then there's Buller, who has shown flashes. This is the first true non Buddy pre-season for these guys, where they will really have an opportunity to gel as a forward line.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that Ugle-Hagan has huge upside, but he isn't much more ready than what we have. I just don't think we'd get our best bang for buck investing a lot in a "future" star for a modicum of gain in our foward line. I think we've got a very healthy forward line, now but particularly for the future.

Our defence needs topping up, now and even more so over the next few years as a few stalwarts retire. Our midfield was struggling in 2023 but gets maybe a few years reprieve from the inclusion of Grundy and Adams. Unless we have guys like Gus coming through and breaking out and Ladhams or a young ruck like McAndrews and later Green doing the same, we could drop off if either of new midfield/ruck recruits are injured or they drop in form.

As a team on the cusp we should keep on eye on the future but we shouldn't be scared to use our premiership potential to attract genuine established stars who want a flag before they retire.

We have a season in which to learn what we need to know about McDonald, Amartey, Buller, McAndrew and Ladhams. I think we already know what we need to with McLean and it's too early for Green.
My feelings:
McLean will continue to be a solid tall and cut-out ruck.
McDonald will continue to progress as CHF.
Amartey will still have a fitness cloud but will also still produce brilliant games and part games. Remain as third tall for many games.
Buller will get a few games but not enough to establish himself over Amartey.
McAndrew will progress to #2 ruck after Grundy.
Ladhams will implode. I really hope I'm wrong about that but I think the coaches already have it factored in.
If it goes that way getting JUH should be a priority.

 

[Millky95]

Maybe I didn't watch enough Bulldogs games this year but I don't see the hype around JUH

 

[Kiama Chris]

Our defence needs topping up, now and even more so over the next few years as a few stalwarts retire.
With 7 KPDs on our list now I don't see us going KPD in trade or draft next year. KPD quality has question marks, but traditionally we don't invest a lot in our KPDs as far as draft picks go. Some are recycled forwards too.
Defensive migration of mids includes Rampe, Lloyd, Cunningham, Florent and arguably Blakey.

Midfield is stacked. We have more midfielders now than last year and previous years. Traditionally we migrate mids to defensive roles and forward roles. So I am not worried about non talls. Players like Mills, McInerney, Campbell etc can go back and fill in and potentially stay there. That's the way we roll.

Forward migration of mids includes Heeney. Parker, Mills Campbell, Sheldrick and other mids rest here. Sheldrick could play permanent small forward. So could others.
I am not worried at all about non talls.

I agree with you that Ugle-Hagan has huge upside
I am only bringing up UH if Buller does not come on or Amartey plays something like 6-8 games again or whatever.

use our premiership potential to attract genuine established stars
We did that this year. We also have a long line of draftees and rookies. I like the fact that we regenerate at the same time as contending better than most. I don't want to go all Essendon and trade in established stars who culturally don't fit, blow our salary cap or alienate young draftees. Sydney has a culture of developing its own stars from the draft and rookie lists. We are always a threat to other sides because we have balance in our trading and recruiting. Our management and coaching structure is so stable that it does not need short term wins that so many other clubs seem to want and fall into traps because they need to win over fans and for other reasons.

No need to change our current strategy which has served us so well over the last 20 years.

We continually contend AND we regenerate for the future at the same time.

One other factor is that JUH is the pick of the crop of out of contract players not named English in 2024. If he's prepared to move the price will be high. There are no gun KPD's or Mids that I can spot OOC.
If we take a shot at JUH and fail I can easily see us sticking with the draft and for one I would not be complaining unless we had a bad injury

 

[Bonz]

Maybe I didn't watch enough Bulldogs games this year but I don't see the hype around JUH

He was brilliant in a few games last year.

Exceptional athleticism and reads the play well, I think the hype is justified.

 

[Punts]

Amartey will struggle to make it

Good athlete though

 

[mtooler]

Agree we lack a regular match turning forward and an inside mid to match what Gulden does on the outside.

Gus may live up to our hopes and Adams is a solid B+ player., but agree we need to look forward. Unfortunately none of the three mids you mentioned do much for me. McCluggage is more outside but a terrific player nonetheless, Libbas cliff is approaching and Smith imo is more show than go.

I am really hoping Buller turns into a 50-60 goal pa fwd and we get 40-50 from Logan.

Would not touch either King. Unhappily their bodies may not be sufficiently robust.

I really like UgleHagan and would be delighted if we snaffled him. The one reservation is his kicking. Otherwise he is a very strong and smart kpf.

I'd take a King in a heart beat.

 

[mtooler]

We have a season in which to learn what we need to know about McDonald, Amartey, Buller, McAndrew and Ladhams. I think we already know what we need to with McLean and it's too early for Green.
My feelings:
McLean will continue to be a solid tall and cut-out ruck.
McDonald will continue to progress as CHF.
Amartey will still have a fitness cloud but will also still produce brilliant games and part games. Remain as third tall for many games.
Buller will get a few games but not enough to establish himself over Amartey.
McAndrew will progress to #2 ruck after Grundy.
Ladhams will implode. I really hope I'm wrong about that but I think the coaches already have it factored in.
If it goes that way getting JUH should be a priority.

Yeah I think the drafting of Green gave rise to this. Handy back up though.

 

[mtooler]

One other factor is that JUH is the pick of the crop of out of contract players not named English in 2024. If he's prepared to move the price will be high. There are no gun KPD's or Mids that I can spot OOC.
If we take a shot at JUH and fail I can easily see us sticking with the draft and for one I would not be complaining unless we had a bad injury

I'm sure I read months ago that JUH said he was committed to staying at the WB.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

I'd take a King in a heart beat.

Nup.

Way too prone to declaring that we’ll piss it in ….. ultimate mock.