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The Bighouse · Sep 30, 2023

Opium said:
Draft Picks 2014-2019:

B̶o̶e̶k̶h̶o̶r̶s̶t̶ V̶i̶o̶j̶o̶-̶R̶a̶i̶n̶b̶o̶w̶ S̶m̶i̶t̶h̶ F̶o̶s̶t̶e̶r̶

Weitering McKay Curnow Cuningham J.Silvagni

P̶e̶t̶r̶e̶v̶s̶k̶i̶-̶S̶e̶t̶o̶n̶ Fisher M̶a̶c̶r̶e̶a̶d̶i̶e̶ P̶o̶l̶s̶o̶n̶ W̶i̶l̶l̶i̶a̶m̶s̶o̶n̶ K̶e̶r̶r̶

Dow O̶'̶B̶r̶i̶e̶n̶ De Koning S̶c̶h̶u̶m̶a̶c̶h̶e̶r̶ G̶a̶r̶l̶e̶t̶t̶

Walsh S̶t̶o̶c̶k̶e̶r̶ O̶'̶D̶w̶y̶e̶r̶ B̶.̶S̶i̶l̶v̶a̶g̶n̶i̶

Kemp P̶h̶i̶l̶p̶ R̶a̶m̶s̶a̶y̶

Not great viewing

STK could be home to 3 of those picks, former 1st rounders in Stocker, Dow, Philp.
SOS’s M.O.

Aphrodite · Sep 30, 2023

The Blue Weirdo said:
Answer to an often asked question this time of year.
Is it worth stickying this to top of page also?

Can only have 1 sticky per thread.

Easy enough to find in the Team List & Contracts stickied thread:-

Resource - Carlton Football Club Team List and Contract Status

Note: This thread is for official announcements only. Please direct all discussion to the relevant player threads - click on the player name below to be redirected! Number Name Contract Expiry Source 2024 List Notes 1 2 Lachlan Cowan 2028 Here Senior 3 Jesse Motlop 2027...

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marcmurphy3 · Sep 30, 2023

Opium said:
Draft Picks 2014-2019:

B̶o̶e̶k̶h̶o̶r̶s̶t̶ V̶i̶o̶j̶o̶-̶R̶a̶i̶n̶b̶o̶w̶ S̶m̶i̶t̶h̶ F̶o̶s̶t̶e̶r̶

Weitering McKay Curnow Cuningham J.Silvagni

P̶e̶t̶r̶e̶v̶s̶k̶i̶-̶S̶e̶t̶o̶n̶ Fisher M̶a̶c̶r̶e̶a̶d̶i̶e̶ P̶o̶l̶s̶o̶n̶ W̶i̶l̶l̶i̶a̶m̶s̶o̶n̶ K̶e̶r̶r̶

Dow O̶'̶B̶r̶i̶e̶n̶ De Koning S̶c̶h̶u̶m̶a̶c̶h̶e̶r̶ G̶a̶r̶l̶e̶t̶t̶

Walsh S̶t̶o̶c̶k̶e̶r̶ O̶'̶D̶w̶y̶e̶r̶ B̶.̶S̶i̶l̶v̶a̶g̶n̶i̶

Kemp P̶h̶i̶l̶p̶ R̶a̶m̶s̶a̶y̶

Not great viewing

With Dow and Fisher about to leave for chips due to not being in our best 22.

Luckily due to being a big Vic club we have been able to attract some really good players from other clubs to make up for the dud picks. SOS won't have quite the sane luxury at St Kilda so will need to draft alot better.

no fate · Sep 30, 2023

Opium said:
Draft Picks 2014-2019:

B̶o̶e̶k̶h̶o̶r̶s̶t̶ V̶i̶o̶j̶o̶-̶R̶a̶i̶n̶b̶o̶w̶ S̶m̶i̶t̶h̶ F̶o̶s̶t̶e̶r̶

Weitering McKay Curnow Cuningham J.Silvagni

P̶e̶t̶r̶e̶v̶s̶k̶i̶-̶S̶e̶t̶o̶n̶ Fisher M̶a̶c̶r̶e̶a̶d̶i̶e̶ P̶o̶l̶s̶o̶n̶ W̶i̶l̶l̶i̶a̶m̶s̶o̶n̶ K̶e̶r̶r̶

Dow O̶'̶B̶r̶i̶e̶n̶ De Koning S̶c̶h̶u̶m̶a̶c̶h̶e̶r̶ G̶a̶r̶l̶e̶t̶t̶

Walsh S̶t̶o̶c̶k̶e̶r̶ O̶'̶D̶w̶y̶e̶r̶ B̶.̶S̶i̶l̶v̶a̶g̶n̶i̶

Kemp P̶h̶i̶l̶p̶ R̶a̶m̶s̶a̶y̶

Not great viewing

Yes, 2015 was amazing but the rest of those years were individually and collectively poor, considering the picks we had available. So many strikethroughs and we got literally nothing for any of them (except the throw away pick for SPS).

Aside from 2015, those outcomes are no better than the often pilloried Richmond drafting of the early 2000s, where they squandered top pick after top pick on duds. If those other years had been average or better than average, I think we'd potentially be looking at a dynasty.

Let's hope we are sitting back in a few years admiring the work of Austin. He's got a lot less to work with these days, and will need to make smart moves.

Aphrodite · Sep 30, 2023

GapInIkonPark said:
With the news of L’Ob, Philp and Honey, is it now 31 Senior and 3 Cat A rookies?

Prior to Plow announcing his retirement on Wednesday:-
36 Senior players
6 Category A Rookies

After Plow's retirement:-
35 Senior players
5 Category A Rookies (adjusted to include Ed's retirement)

As of yesterday's list changes - LOB (rookie), Honey & Philp:-
33 Senior players
4 Category A Rookies

AlecDuncan · Sep 30, 2023

I realise social media has long been a sewer, but those supporters potting Plow on the way out need a boot up the klacker, Setanta-style.

Off-hand, I wouldn't have been shocked if he got a game last week just to mind Cameron. Always had a decent record on him.

Stamos · Sep 30, 2023

Aphrodite said:
As of yesterday's list changes - LOB (rookie), Honey & Philp:-
33 Senior players
4 Category A Rookies

Cincotta, O'Keefe and one of the Irish are Cat A rookies.

Aphrodite · Sep 30, 2023

Stamos said:
Cincotta, O'Keefe and one of the Irish are Cat A rookies.

Aware of that but I have them as SSP Rookies.

Pretty sure the 2 new Irish boys are Cat A & Cat B International Rookies

Stamos · Sep 30, 2023

Aphrodite said:
Aware of that but I have them as SSP Rookies.

Pretty sure the 2 new Irish boys are Cat A & Cat B International Rookies

They're not actually different categories (of Cat A) for list purposes though, just for acquisition.

Aphrodite · Sep 30, 2023

Stamos said:
They're not actually different categories (of Cat A) for list purposes though, just for acquisition.

I do my list my way, you do yours

Beyond Blue · Sep 30, 2023

Santo the king said:
E Hollands for Honey to plug hf list profile gap.
Binns already covers LoB.
Lots of coverage for Plowman
Philp and Ed most glaring gap for mine.

Interesting to see how we go with our first pick in the draft. Best available or profile specific.

As mentioned no less than 1000 times we need a kpd. Whilst I am bullish that our game stands up with only one true kpd in Weitering and two mid sized defenders in mcgovern/marchbank/kemp, investing now to develop the next kpd makes a lot of sense with young and durdin as short term backups.

I agree the midfield is looking a bit shallow especially if we lose Dow as well. I reckon we target De Mattia or Charlie Edwards vis the draft with our first pick to bolster the midfield. Then Moir or Philactides with our second.

Not sure where Carroll fits in to all this either - personally I don’t think he has a point of difference to be a regular league footballer - hopefully West Coast come knocking with an offer for regular senior footy.

Elijah Hollands for the important half forward/midfielder role as a successor to Martin. Williams is like a new recruit to give us run off half back. The rest of the improvement comes from the likes of Harry, TDK, Motlop, Ollie Hollands etc.

Stamos · Sep 30, 2023

Aphrodite said:
I do my list my way, you do yours

Blue and Silver · Sep 30, 2023

Depth chart time!

General Defenders

Adam Saad (28)
Nic Newman (30)
Zac Williams (28)
Jordan Boyd (24)
Alex Cincotta (26)
Zac Fisher (24)
Lachie Cowan (18)

Key Defenders

Jacob Weitering (25)
Mitch McGovern (28)
Caleb Marchbank (26)
Brodie Kemp (21)
Lewis Young (24)
Sam Durdin (26)
Dom Akeui (20)

General Forwards

Jack Martin (28)
Matt Owies (26)
Jesse Motlop (19)
David Cuningham (26)
Lachie Fogarty (24)
Corey Durdin (21)

Key Forwards

Charlie Curnow (26)
Harry McKay (25)
Jack Silvagni (25)
Harry Lemmey (19)

Midfielders

Patrick Cripps (28)
Sam Walsh (22)
Adam Cerra (23)
George Hewett (27)
Sam Docherty (29)
Matt Kennedy (26)
Paddy Dow (23)
Jack Carroll (20)

Wings

Blake Acres (27)
Matt Cottrell (23)
Ollie Hollands (19)
Jaxon Binns (18)

Rucks

Tom De Koning (23)
Marc Pittonet (26)
Hudson O'Keefe (18)
Alex Mirkov (23)

Left off are the Irish boys, I have no idea how they'll try and develop them.

Looking at this I'd say that we need some developing defenders, Newman/Williams/Saad all getting close to over 30.

Another key forward in development wouldn't hurt.

Replacing Cripps and Doc needs to start being a thought

General forwards lack a standout. Would be nice to have a goal kicking threat under 190cm

I'd prioritize a general forward for mature targets, point of difference midfielder in the first round of the draft and defenders and a key position forward later.

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swuzzlebubble · Sep 30, 2023

Blue and Silver said:
Lachie Young

Lewis?

Blue and Silver · Sep 30, 2023

TENACIOUS said:
Where would we find a clearance beast, that has great hands from congestion, to get the ball out to runners on the outside and is poor defensively [emoji2369]

Cripps isn't poor defensively.

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Mondyboy · Sep 30, 2023

Opium said:
Draft Picks 2014-2019:

B̶o̶e̶k̶h̶o̶r̶s̶t̶ V̶i̶o̶j̶o̶-̶R̶a̶i̶n̶b̶o̶w̶ S̶m̶i̶t̶h̶ F̶o̶s̶t̶e̶r̶

Weitering McKay Curnow Cuningham J.Silvagni

P̶e̶t̶r̶e̶v̶s̶k̶i̶-̶S̶e̶t̶o̶n̶ Fisher M̶a̶c̶r̶e̶a̶d̶i̶e̶ P̶o̶l̶s̶o̶n̶ W̶i̶l̶l̶i̶a̶m̶s̶o̶n̶ K̶e̶r̶r̶

Dow O̶'̶B̶r̶i̶e̶n̶ De Koning S̶c̶h̶u̶m̶a̶c̶h̶e̶r̶ G̶a̶r̶l̶e̶t̶t̶

Walsh S̶t̶o̶c̶k̶e̶r̶ O̶'̶D̶w̶y̶e̶r̶ B̶.̶S̶i̶l̶v̶a̶g̶n̶i̶

Kemp P̶h̶i̶l̶p̶ R̶a̶m̶s̶a̶y̶

Not great viewing

Which is why we’ve spent draft capital getting in players like Cez and Saad etc. But that’s now the past, things have improved since.

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TENACIOUS · Sep 30, 2023

North - Carlton F1 & Fisher
Blues - Pick 19 and Norths F2

Doro · Sep 30, 2023

North have 40 & 52, Swans 42 & 50. Negotiation probably ends up around those picks, though we might ask for more at the start. Could always bundle those picks with a future to improve our hand this year.

Michael Jezz · Sep 30, 2023

Opium said:
Draft Picks 2014-2019:

B̶o̶e̶k̶h̶o̶r̶s̶t̶ V̶i̶o̶j̶o̶-̶R̶a̶i̶n̶b̶o̶w̶ S̶m̶i̶t̶h̶ F̶o̶s̶t̶e̶r̶

Weitering McKay Curnow Cuningham J.Silvagni

P̶e̶t̶r̶e̶v̶s̶k̶i̶-̶S̶e̶t̶o̶n̶ Fisher M̶a̶c̶r̶e̶a̶d̶i̶e̶ P̶o̶l̶s̶o̶n̶ W̶i̶l̶l̶i̶a̶m̶s̶o̶n̶ K̶e̶r̶r̶

Dow O̶'̶B̶r̶i̶e̶n̶ De Koning S̶c̶h̶u̶m̶a̶c̶h̶e̶r̶ G̶a̶r̶l̶e̶t̶t̶

Walsh S̶t̶o̶c̶k̶e̶r̶ O̶'̶D̶w̶y̶e̶r̶ B̶.̶S̶i̶l̶v̶a̶g̶n̶i̶

Kemp P̶h̶i̶l̶p̶ R̶a̶m̶s̶a̶y̶

Not great viewing

Garbage analysis. Weights late picks equivalent to early picks & then fails to include newman, pittonet, cotrell, owies,Marchbank, kennedy, Martin.You need to judge it as a list build. We finished 3rd on the back of SoS drafting.

Magruder · Sep 30, 2023

TENACIOUS said:
North - Carlton F1 & Fisher
Blues - Pick 19 and Norths F2

It’s the sort of deal that would appeal to some list managers.

The kicker is the future 1st. Don’t think I’d do it as a Blue as the stakes are higher here…

Best case (using the less than satisfactory points system) we get the equivalent of a mid 2nd, worst case we drop off (and maybe finish around 8 ) Fish goes for say a mid third and we’ve used pick 10ish as part of the deal.

I guess it depends on wether we are looking to trade iF1 out anyway, but surely we have-other options.

Magruder · Sep 30, 2023

Doro said:
North have 40 & 52, Swans 42 & 50. Negotiation probably ends up around those picks, though we might ask for more at the start. Could always bundle those picks with a future to improve our hand this year.

Reckon Nth want to keep any pick under 20 they have in any year…

Future picks is my guess as to our requirements.

The Blue Weirdo · Sep 30, 2023

Ockhams razor said:
Late this afternoon - Fisher just as likely to stay as to request a trade.

We might not be impressed with North's first offer?

Magruder · Sep 30, 2023

Michael Jezz said:
Garbage analysis. Weights late picks equivalent to early picks & then fails to include newman, pittonet, cotrell, owies,Marchbank, kennedy, Martin.You need to judge it as a list build. We finished 3rd on the back of SoS drafting.

List build.

Pieces with some value as at 2015-18 leveraged to obtain players of value as the group matures 2022-27 ish.

Then it’s about succession planning and resource management

Michael Jezz · Sep 30, 2023

I just watched vfl grand finals. My comments on Hollands.

He is a step up from Dow or selecting Kennedy, Hewett in the same side. A walk up best 22 player in our side
Two way runs, tough footballer.
He appeared 75% inside and 25% outside but that might be finals football
Hollands disposal has more penetration than Hewett or Dow. He is a faster, more dynamic Kennedy.
My questions.

Is Hollands really an onballer and not a high half fwd?
Is Hollands disposal that good? Is he really the player that draws the lead by kicking low and hard 40m passes into the fwd line?
I didn't see silk like Jack Martin, Rankine or Rozee, does he have it?

Bottom line on Hollands he is a massive get for us, a 10 year onballer that is the dawn of a post-cripps world(provided he is fit). His floor is a quicker version of Matthew Kennedy, his ceiling is Adam Cerra level but a huge upgrade on the 23 games played by Dow and Ed Curnow.

thylacine60 · Sep 30, 2023

Blue and Silver said:
Depth chart time!

General Defenders

Adam Saad (28)
Nic Newman (30)
Zac Williams (28)
Jordan Boyd (24)
Alex Cincotta (26)
Zac Fisher (24)
Lachie Cowan (18)

Key Defenders

Jacob Weitering (25)
Mitch McGovern (28)
Caleb Marchbank (26)
Brodie Kemp (21)
Lewis Young (24)
Sam Durdin (26)
Dom Akeui (20)

General Forwards

Jack Martin (28)
Matt Owies (26)
Jesse Motlop (19)
David Cuningham (26)
Lachie Fogarty (24)
Corey Durdin (21)

Key Forwards

Charlie Curnow (26)
Harry McKay (25)
Jack Silvagni (25)
Harry Lemmey (19)

Midfielders

Patrick Cripps (28)
Sam Walsh (22)
Adam Cerra (23)
George Hewett (27)
Sam Docherty (29)
Matt Kennedy (26)
Paddy Dow (23)
Jack Carroll (20)

Wings

Blake Acres (27)
Matt Cottrell (23)
Ollie Hollands (19)
Jaxon Binns (18)

Rucks

Tom De Koning (23)
Marc Pittonet (26)
Hudson O'Keefe (18)
Alex Mirkov (23)

Left off are the Irish boys, I have no idea how they'll try and develop them.

Looking at this I'd say that we need some developing defenders, Newman/Williams/Saad all getting close to over 30.

Another key forward in development wouldn't hurt.

Replacing Cripps and Doc needs to start being a thought

General forwards lack a standout. Would be nice to have a goal kicking threat under 190cm

I'd prioritize a general forward for mature targets, point of difference midfielder in the first round of the draft and defenders and a key position forward later.

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