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[Soapy V]

We have offered him a contract, I get that the pick won't be great, but Dow and Fisher for Hollands?

I get that we will save some cap space as well, but apparently yesterday we had enough to chase Smith?

From what I know, we are managing our cap well, but not enough to target players at 600K+

Who said we were paying someone $600k plus next year? Stop lying to suit an agenda. It's pathetic

 

[Stamos]

For perspective re Dow possible trade. Here are some trades from last year

Bobby Hill and Pick 40. GWS gets Pick 43

GWS also got the Filth's F2

 

[Soapy V]

And it's not like we owe the Saints anything. If the offer for Dow is steak knives, then keep him or let him walk.

So you'd let him walk when we can get an improved pick?

 

[AT97]

Dow will go to St Kilda on a 3 year deal

Possible for Pick 31 and we give pick 39 (received for Fisher) back

We want solid some picks this year

Not disputing what you have been told but why go through the charade of meeting with Sydney when he gets back from Japan later this week (according to Twomey/Beveridge today) if it’s got as far as what picks are exchanged. Is it just in case he chooses st.Kilda?

 

[Arr0w]

Who said we were paying someone $600k plus next year? Stop lying to suit an agenda. It's pathetic

Soap, you were going on that we could add Smith, Gresham and Hollands

But let's pull it back to just Smith, how much do you think he is on?

 

[swuzzlebubble]

I think 14 will be part of North's bid for 1 or 4

Obviously a higher priority for them but 16 instead of 14 unlikely to be a deal breaker

 

[Bletch]

So you'd let him walk when we can get an improved pick?

If it's just a marginal improvement as proposed, then yes.

 

[Soapy V]

Not disputing what you have been told but why go through the charade of meeting with Sydney when he gets back from Japan later this week (according to Twomey/Beveridge today) if it’s got as far as what picks are exchanged. Is it just in case he chooses st.Kilda?

He's in Japan with Walsh and another player.

Not sure what picks will happen. What I mentioned was what some mentioned "Might" happen.

 

[Soapy V]

Soap, you were going on that we could add Smith, Gresham and Hollands

But let's pull it back to just Smith, how much do you think he is on?

Not going round and round with your crap but who said it needs to be paid in ONE year?? Plus I'm told we could handle a new contract of around $700k next year if needed

If we got Smith (we won't) he could easily get paid $500k next year and much the years after

Not that hard when you think about it

 

[Stamos]

So you'd let him walk when we can get an improved pick?

Under your suggestion, we wouldn't be getting an improved pick, the Suns would.
We'd be getting nothing.

 

[The Bighouse]

Who said we were paying someone $600k plus next year? Stop lying to suit an agenda. It's pathetic

Bailey Smith is +$600K P/A.
Reckon a lot more if the Hawks are in on it.

 

[Soapy V]

Under your suggestion, we wouldn't be getting an improved pick, the Suns would.
We'd be getting nothing.

We'd get Hollands

 

[Soapy V]

Bailey Smith is +$600K P/A.
Reckon a lot more if the Hawks are in on it.

Depends on terms? It's the total amount and how it's paid that is the key

Players never get $600k a year (example) every year for 5 years as a deal. Some will be lower and some higher. Most grow every year

 

[Arr0w]

Not going round and round with your crap but who said it needs to be paid in ONE year?? Plus I'm told we could handle a new contract of around $700k next year if needed

If we got Smith (we won't) he could easily get paid $500k next year and much the years after

Not that hard when you think about it

So now you are saying Smith will agree to a pay cut? Please

Of course we won't get Smith, we were never a genuine contender if he was leaving

 

[AT97]

He's in Japan with Walsh and another player.

Not sure what picks will happen. What I mentioned was what some mentioned "Might" happen.

MASSIVE overreaction

Wasn’t having a go.

 

[Stamos]

We'd get Hollands

But Fisher should be worth more than enough to get Hollands.
A 3 way trade where we get Hollands, North get Fisher and Suns get a pick would have us feeling a little light on. Fine, but probably short-changed a bit.

To then get nothing for Dow would be wasteful. We'd be better off trying to trade one of our 4ths up to the Saints' 3rd. And even that wouldn't be much of a deal for us.

 

[Soapy V]

But Fisher should be worth more than enough to get Hollands.
A 3 way trade where we get Hollands, North get Fisher and Suns get a pick would have us feeling a little light on. Fine, but probably short-changed a bit.

To then get nothing for Dow would be wasteful. We'd be better off trying to trade one of our 4ths up to the Saints' 3rd. And even that wouldn't be much of a deal for us.

Tell the club

 

[tragic]

For perspective re Dow possible trade. Here are some trades from last year

Bobby Hill and Pick 40. GWS gets Pick 43
Carlton gets Blake Acres. Fremantle receives a future third-round pick. (Pick 55)
Gold Coast gets Ben Long and the Saints’ future fourth-round pick. St Kilda gets Pick 32.
GWS Giants get Toby Bedford. Melbourne gets Pick 44
Essendon gets Will Setterfield and Pick 68. Carlton gets the Bombers’ future fourth-round pick.
Melbourne gets Brodie Grundy. Collingwood gets Pick 27.
Collingwood gets Billy Frampton. Adelaide gets the Magpies’ future third-round pick.
Essendon gets Sam Weideman and Picks 57 and 72. Melbourne gets Pick 37.
Melbourne gets Lachie Hunter. The Western Bulldogs get the Demons’ future third-round pick.
Essendon gets Sam Weideman and Picks 57 and 72. Melbourne gets Pick 37.

Bloody Hard to get Picks under 35 for players that aren't best 22 these days. I want Dow to stay but I can't see us getting much for him

So now your saying Smith will agree to a pay cut? Please

Of course we won't get Smith, we were never a genuine contender if he was leaving

I can see why Soap left.....

 

[Opium]

For perspective re Dow possible trade. Here are some trades from last year

Bobby Hill and Pick 40. GWS gets Pick 43
Carlton gets Blake Acres. Fremantle receives a future third-round pick. (Pick 55)
Gold Coast gets Ben Long and the Saints’ future fourth-round pick. St Kilda gets Pick 32.
GWS Giants get Toby Bedford. Melbourne gets Pick 44
Essendon gets Will Setterfield and Pick 68. Carlton gets the Bombers’ future fourth-round pick.
Melbourne gets Brodie Grundy. Collingwood gets Pick 27.
Collingwood gets Billy Frampton. Adelaide gets the Magpies’ future third-round pick.
Essendon gets Sam Weideman and Picks 57 and 72. Melbourne gets Pick 37.
Melbourne gets t

Tell the club

Do you suspect our salary cap is an issue right now despite what you've heard? Would make sense if we're wanting to offload a contracted Fisher?

 

[carlton_99]

Fisher is worth a late 2nd with the side benefit that we get rid of some salary
Dow is worth a late 3rd/early 4th given he is uncontracted

If the roles were reversed we would not be wanting to pay much more. If we end up with more than what was stated it's a bonus imo.

 

[Soapy V]

Do you suspect our salary cap is an issue right now despite what you've heard? Would make sense if we're wanting to offload a contracted Fisher?

No I don't. It's okay for next year if we need to bring a good player in and is in a great spot for end of 2024. That is what Cook told a sponsors gathering several weeks ago

It's been his focus

 

[Bearded Carpenter]

 

[Ash24]

Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

—> Future 3rd + Future 4th (St Kilda)

Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

25

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

—> Pick 40 + Future 3rd (North)

Future 2nd —> Elijah Hollands + Future 4th (Gold Coast)

 

[Soapy V]

Don't think SOAP ever said it will definately happen. This is the list management forum after all. People should be allowed to express their views. We all love the club and want our momentum to continue next season and beyond.

Yep. I actually said possible. I am happy for different opinions but when people LIE about what i said to suit an agenda it shits me. Pathetic really. Time for another long break. See ya

 

[Bletch]

Fisher is worth a late 2nd - side benefit we get rid of some salary
Dow is worth a late 3rd/early 4th - he is uncontracted

If the roles were reversed we would not be wanting to pay much more. If we end up with more than what was stated it's a bonus imo.

Would have Dow slightly ahead of what you suggest. Fisher about right. What's missing is valuation on Hollands. Here's mine:

Fisher - 30-40
Dow - 35-45
Hollands - 35-45.

Fisher+Dow = Hollands + pick ~35-40. Give or take.

May well pan out as Soapy suggests, but I'd still maintain that's a poor result. Not an Acres-level poor deal, just disappointing.

What I don't get is why some posters are valuing Hollands way above Fisher/Dow.