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VFL 2024 - Reserves Game Day discussion Rnds 2 - 21 (Merged threads)
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Hes a great kick of the ball for sure.
Personally i dont think he'll ever be THAT guy though, as i dont think hes a natural ball getter.
Still very light and gets pushed off it too easily, isnt particularly quick or agile either for his frame.
He'll stay in the AFL for sure but not sure if his ceiling extends beyond running around behind for handoffs.
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I'm neither but I do know he was a very competitive kid growing up. There is no dispute that he doesn't have the fitness required at this point in time (which accounts for his lack of urgency and involvement at the moment), but I am sure he will get fitter, his body will be better prepared and then we can judge him. At the moment he he is half a dozen games into a VFL season and just a pup.
Your call of it being an issue for 3 years is just rubbish. As an under-ager he was touted as a top 5 pick, and last year he was carrying an injury and lost some running power, but still played some senior footy.
Today he was on a wing for a fair amount of time which is a role that I wouldn't have thought would suit his attributes. He went forward in the last 1/4 and was considerably better.
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Didn't get to watch just the read the commentary -- seems everyone wrapped in Cowan did he show any natural lateral movement when moved to midfield -- or just bash and crash .. he is an easy player to like as he has a lot of ticker..
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100% agree boyd, cincotta, cowan
Saad back might see boyd blossom
You can't have every defender attacking, but we do need more overlap
He was more bash and crash when he was the mid. But also found room on the outside. When he was playing halfback, he took the tough inside kick and at times pirouetted around Willy’s half forwards. He never looked rushed.
Really impressed. If he keeps it up he’ll be top 22 late this year or next.
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To be fair, not many players get drafted as lockdown defenders.
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You'd have to enlighten me.
He's got some wheels looks tough and likes to hurt, it was a great audition if we are looking at him for the MSD imo.
Lachie Young is not a player we should consider in the MSD. At best a solid medium defender, behind Cincotta and Cowan, while we have Wilson and hopefully M.Carroll developing in that part of the ground. Will also have Matt Duffy developing in 2025, and both Camporeale boys could be HBF candidates, at least in their formative years.
Ideally a hidden KPP, a lightning quick forward or wing from a lesser league or a solid and quick mature/semi mature midfield option are out there. Happy for a 3rd tall forward or even defender if the other options are not available.
If the cupboard is somewhat bare, would consider bringing back Luke Parks from today’s game as an undersized KPD/interceptor, particularly if we are contemplating Marchy, Nigel Durdin and maybe Youngy’s futures at season’s end with Gov not getting younger either. LP has matured nicely and is a gun at VFL level. Would be solid back up and shore up our twos. (Assuming Weiters re signs, we need back up until we find our next/second KPD either draft or trade if we don’t trust Young and/or Nigel)
He is a kid that can kick the ball they are gold in the modern game you can’t teach that you have it or you don’t.Super harsh commentary on Moir. He is a young kid who needs some pre-seasons under his belt but has the tools to be a super addition. Is a super competitive in nature but also a really nice kid.
Collard got one touch in his first run for the Saints and didn't look like it. Is more of a chance to be a bust that Moir and greater go-home factor. He's fast though.
Seeing as a million clubs were trying to trade into the first round last year, we just didn't have the picks and the expectation was we'd be high on the ladder this year so futures weren't that attractive. All good in hindsight to say you wanted players we had no chance of drafting.
I'm more concerned about Wilson at this stage who was taken before others as he was said to be seen as midfielder. At the moment he's had next to no midfield minutes (even at the lower level) and is well behind the million other half back runners we have. At least we recruited Moir for a position that we need someone to play and he has shown he can hit the scoreboard from even limited possessions. He'll only get better from here.
The crap kicks turned to elite don’t happen Binns won’t improve his kicking much maybe when he’s 27 like carrazo.
Fitness can be improved dramatically over a three year period.
I didn’t watch his game but I’ve seen him kick he’s a natural .
Sos isn’t fast and can’t kick so I wouldn’t be too negative on a guy who at the moment has one elite trait with couple of years to work on his deficiencies
Didn't have to....I don't write off 18 year olds after 5 games of senior footy
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Doesn't matter. He's 18.
NO ONE has written him off. But he does have some serious question marks hanging over him
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He's a professional athlete. 18 or not if he's going to walk around on the field completely disinterested in tackling or chasing what exactly are you expecting us to say? Moir is doing brilliantly?
Discussion over why he's not playing in the ones and concerns over his attitude is not writing him off, it's just watchers discussing what they're seeing
We all want all of our draftees to come good and for the team to go well, but reality is not all of them will. At the moment Moir has a cloud of concern for some of us.
Read the first few sentences and thought you were talking about Charlie. Gives up on chases before they start, just sticks arm our feigning intent, bobbing his head up and down pretending he is going flat out chasing when reality he is joggin on the spot.
Just needed to add, lets his opponent lead him to the ball and likes to duck out the back hoping for the easy goal and all the glory.
For the record I do love Charlie, but needs to get all that shit out of his game.
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Absolutely agree, he's been poor this year with that stuff. Imo looks injured.
Very possible he isn't 100%.
Anyway, back on Moir, must admit I've watched very little VFL this year but he does seem to have some good attributes.
Clearly has areas he needs to work on. I will say laziness and lack of defensive was a massive knock on Fev when we drafted him. Whilst he did stuff up a fair bit off field and his body language onfield wasn't always great, he did improve in those areas. H too is quite good defensively. So still time for Moir to improve in those areas but the "want" needs to be there. He really needs to want to be a quality AFL player and dedicate himself fully otherwise another waste of natural talent.
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Every defender should have license to do it though. They should all have the footy iq to know when they need to overlap and when they need to cover.
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Bang! Critical statement for all.
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Overlap run from BHF and CHB is what gives the so called running teams - their run....
Carltons defenders dont do it - instead they look for dynamic outlets in Ollie Hollands or dumpp kick it to a contest on teh boundary and only rarely and usually early in teh game does a McGovern rtry a down the guts kick to someone presenting...
it is the single biggest differentiator between Carlton and most teams- the lack of rebound team based ball carry from defenders to find midfield links around center square...
the onlytime you see it is when Sad takes it on - all by himself..
maybe it is a 'layer' of development the coaches dont trust the current structure to execute - but it was on big time last year in periods- and this year-= gonski
Carltons defenders dont do it - instead they look for dynamic outlets in Ollie Hollands or dumpp kick it to a contest on teh boundary and only rarely and usually early in teh game does a McGovern rtry a down the guts kick to someone presenting...
it is the single biggest differentiator between Carlton and most teams- the lack of rebound team based ball carry from defenders to find midfield links around center square...
the onlytime you see it is when Sad takes it on - all by himself..
maybe it is a 'layer' of development the coaches dont trust the current structure to execute - but it was on big time last year in periods- and this year-= gonski
Perhaps I was unclear
When kids enter rep sides, many were mids, but can't find a spot in those areas due to other talent
When drafted, most of their previous 2 years, may have been on the back of being in those redeployed years
Cincotta was undrafted, finds his way into a VFL environment where he splits his time between mid and defender, plays defender at the next level, but doesn't mean he would be a competent mid
Kemp was a backman in rep sides, played minimal minutes forward and centre bounces, but for some reason people think we are hampering his development or not playing him in his true position
So, forgetting KPP, you can't have every other defender now playing midfield, even though they were mids as 14, 15, 16 year olds
Just some thoughts.
I watch our VFL side every week, and for me, I think Mirkov is improving. He took a couple of good overhead marks last week (none this week, though). His mobility is improving and he's not bad below his knees for such a tall guy and his taps are now starting to go to his team mates instead of the opposition, and his handballs seem to be pretty good. If he keeps improving at the rate he has since his return (which is a big 'if'), he may not be delisting material at year's end.
As for Lemmey and O'keefe, though, I know they are young and all that, and you need to give tall guys more time to develop, but for me, I just can't see either of them making it. Just my opinion, and I could very well be completely wrong. And, Akuei (unlike Lemmey and O'keefe) has a great leap and is fast and athletic, but, to me, his skills just haven't improved and there's nothing to indicate they ever will, so this year may very well be his last unless he turns it around very soon.
I watch our VFL side every week, and for me, I think Mirkov is improving. He took a couple of good overhead marks last week (none this week, though). His mobility is improving and he's not bad below his knees for such a tall guy and his taps are now starting to go to his team mates instead of the opposition, and his handballs seem to be pretty good. If he keeps improving at the rate he has since his return (which is a big 'if'), he may not be delisting material at year's end.
As for Lemmey and O'keefe, though, I know they are young and all that, and you need to give tall guys more time to develop, but for me, I just can't see either of them making it. Just my opinion, and I could very well be completely wrong. And, Akuei (unlike Lemmey and O'keefe) has a great leap and is fast and athletic, but, to me, his skills just haven't improved and there's nothing to indicate they ever will, so this year may very well be his last unless he turns it around very soon.
There's actually a Saad clone playing for the Bullants who's available in this year's MSD believe it or not named Saad El-Hawli.
My eyes were bugging out of my head when I checked out some of his highlights on the AFL website. Absolute mirror image of our man Saady the way he moves, runs, kicks...the lot!!! Except he's a right footer. They even look the same at a similar age!!
