Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 3

[spenze]

Correct

Although Essendon are only one of 8 clubs he's either never won against or only had one win in 48 games against

are you sure?

With a 30% win rate you'd think he'd be better against all teams

 

[beartoo]

Played Collingwood 7 times for 0 wins.
Sydney 6 times for 0 wins.
Lions 7 times for 1 win.
Essendon 6 times for 1 win.
Geelong 6 times for 1 win.
Melbourne 6 times for 1 win.
Freo 5 times for 1 win.
Richmond 5 times for 1 win.

I saved that from somewhere, so forgive me if I'm cutting your lunch.

On SM-A256E using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Doctor B]

are you sure?

With a 30% win rate you'd think he'd be better against all teams

He's coached us for 37 wins in 106 games

19 of those 37 wins have come in 29 games against North Melbourne, West Coast, Carlton & Port

The remaining 18 wins and a draw have come from 77 games

 

[spenze]

He's coached us for 37 wins in 106 games

19 of those 37 wins have come in 29 games against North Melbourne, West Coast, Carlton & Port

The remaining 18 wins and a draw have come from 77 games

Sorry man, I was being sarcastic

 

[adelaidecrows]

He's coached us for 37 wins in 106 games

19 of those 37 wins have come in 29 games against North Melbourne, West Coast, Carlton & Port

The remaining 18 wins and a draw have come from 77 games

Well lets hope he proves us all wrong and we have a year to remember. I wouldnt put money on it but i will enjoy being proved wrong if it means success.

 

[AFC979810]

All that matters is round 1. Nicksy is 3-2 against the Saints. Game Over St.Kilda.

 

[119others]

All that matters is round 1. Nicksy is 3-2 against the Saints. Game Over St.Kilda.

Agreed. From the team perspective they are just focussed on the next opponent. Beat Saints and then focus on Dons. The soft early draw is certainly there for us if we hold up our end of the bargain.

Besides the easy double up kills of Weagles and Kangas, I can’t see Pies being a finals team based on yesterday. Ditto Power.

Hawks look sure things and very impressive . Day could win the B/low and JR who said we went very hard at Day perhaps should have gone even harder..Suns 7-10th

Ideally a fixture that could allow us 14 or 15 wins esp with both the start and also a seemingly very soft last 5 weeks

 

[FR0GGY]

Hawks look sure things and very impressive . Day could win the B/low and JR who said we went very hard at Day perhaps should have gone even harder..Suns 7-10th

Someone posted on here that day was put off by our approach.
Not sure we had any chance anyway against a club he’s happy at and has family ties to.

 

[NSolis]

Agreed. From the team perspective they are just focussed on the next opponent. Beat Saints and then focus on Dons. The soft early draw is certainly there for us if we hold up our end of the bargain.

Besides the easy double up kills of Weagles and Kangas, I can’t see Pies being a finals team based on yesterday. Ditto Power.

Hawks look sure things and very impressive . Day could win the B/low and JR who said we went very hard at Day perhaps should have gone even harder..Suns 7-10th

Ideally a fixture that could allow us 14 or 15 wins esp with both the start and also a seemingly very soft last 5 weeks

Middle part of the draw is pretty tough. Really need to win at least 3 of the first 4 as there's only 1 soft game in the next 10 weeks after that, against the Eagles. The other 9 games are all finalists from last year plus Fremantle and Collingwood away.

Would be doing well to go to the bye at 7-7, should be in pretty good shape to make finals from there.

 

[skam85]

Hot take: No such thing as a soft draw or game.

 

[NSolis]

Hot take: No such thing as a soft draw or game.

You don't think the Eagles the last couple of years have been a soft game? We've won our last 3 games against them by an average of 89 points.

A whole draw, sure. It's a very even competition with generally 2-3 really crap teams per year. The difference between an 'easy' and 'tough' draw is mostly just how many times you play those teams, pretty marginal.

 

[skam85]

You don't think the Eagles the last couple of years have been a soft game? We've won our last 3 games against them by an average of 89 points.

A whole draw, sure. It's a very even competition with generally 2-3 really crap teams per year. The difference between an 'easy' and 'tough' draw is mostly just how many times you play those teams, pretty marginal.

It's that kind of attitude that sees us lose to Richmond at home

 

[SugarShane]

It's that kind of attitude that sees us lose to Richmond at home

Are you saying Richmond at home is a soft game?

 

[SugarShane]

Middle part of the draw is pretty tough. Really need to win at least 3 of the first 4 as there's only 1 soft game in the next 10 weeks after that, against the Eagles. The other 9 games are all finalists from last year plus Fremantle and Collingwood away.

Would be doing well to go to the bye at 7-7, should be in pretty good shape to make finals from there.

I think you could pretty much say with 90% certainty whether we'll make finals after round 9.

The first 4 weeks are critical. There is no reason we can't win all 4. StK and NM at home, Ess and GC away. Traditionally we drop at least 2 of those, most likely the away ones. If we're 2-2 or worse we're on the back foot already.

After that we lose to Geelong at home, probably GWS at home, then usually struggle away against Freo, before what will probably be our litmus test against teams we'll be fighting with for spots, Carlton and Port. It's very possible we escape this stretch with 1, maybe 2 wins. If we're any worse than 5-4, put a fork in us.

 

[FR0GGY]

I know for a fact the conversations we had with Day were deep and we made a very strong offer. Thats from the key Crows person himself

Have no idea about any other posters claims but on face value would seem contrary to the above info

It came across as Day should feel lucky to play for us, went in with a very arrogant attitude and it turned him off.

 

[Peter Doherty]

It came across as Day should feel lucky to play for us, went in with a very arrogant attitude and it turned him off.

But ANB, Peatling and Cumming were into it?

I remember that 'anonymous source' article. I took it with a grain of salt.

In general the club has been arrogant so it's not a big stretch, but just seemed like a hit piece. The recruiting team have done a pretty good recent job.

 

[spenze]

But ANB, Peatling and Cumming were into it?

I remember that 'anonymous source' article. I took it with a grain of salt.

In general the club has been arrogant so it's not a big stretch, but just seemed like a hit piece. The recruiting team have done a pretty good recent job.

Maybe but those guys are established players in comparison to Day coming out of his first contract, those guys were all in teams playing finals, Day wasn't.

We might have also re-evaluated our approach as we did (apparently) make a massive offer to the Swans midfielder (Guilden I think, I don't know, they all look the same, should probably wear different tops) which isn't like us previously.

 

[AFC979810]

Hot take: No such thing as a soft draw or game.

Hot take? More like a misguided opinion.

Both of those things absolutely exist and are extremely relevant to teams success.

It came across as Day should feel lucky to play for us, went in with a very arrogant attitude and it turned him off.

Wish we weren't so arrogant! He is a superstar. Was amazing early off a half back flank, then was equally good in the midfield. Now he is leading the Coleman medal race.

 

[FR0GGY]

But ANB, Peatling and Cumming were into it?

I remember that 'anonymous source' article. I took it with a grain of salt.

In general the club has been arrogant so it's not a big stretch, but just seemed like a hit piece. The recruiting team have done a pretty good recent job.

Was it an article? I thought it was a poster on here?

 

[Peter Doherty]

Was it an article? I thought it was a poster on here?

Yep, an article, wasn't it a part of a series on how shit we are?

 

[FR0GGY]

Yep, an article, wasn't it a part of a series on how shit we are?

Not sure, that doesn’t ring a bell at all.

 

[Sizzlepack]

I'm always amused by how much stock people put into random anecdotes that just happen to align with their own priors. The club has enticed Dawson, Rankine, Peatling, ANB and Cumming to join but because Will Day (grandson of a Hawthorn premiership player) didn't, the recruitment team are all morons or something.

 

[FR0GGY]

I'm always amused by how much stock people put into random anecdotes that just happen to align with their own priors. The club has enticed Dawson, Rankine, Peatling, ANB and Cumming to join but because Will Day (grandson of a Hawthorn premiership player) didn't, the recruitment team are all morons or something.

It amuses me how people make things up.
Given I’m the only one that’s brought it up, where have I said the recruitment team are all morons?
Just stick to what is posted.

Also Dawson, Rankine and cumming all had links here (SA/crows and Tex) ANB he was coming home no matter what.
Peatling definitely a good acquisition by the recruiting staff to entice him to a place he had no links.

 

[NSolis]

It's that kind of attitude that sees us lose to Richmond at home

An outside observer recognising the obvious fact that West Coast have been easybeats for two years is why we lost to Richmond at home?

The funny part is that on another day people on this board would be saying that good performances against West Coast/North/whoever don't count because the teams are terrible. This was a common view on this board after we beat West Coast by 99 points last year for example.

And it is somewhat true, because those teams are quite poor. But you can't also say there's no such thing as a soft game.

 

[Southerntakeover]

An outside observer recognising the obvious fact that West Coast have been easybeats for two years is why we lost to Richmond at home?

The funny part is that on another day people on this board would be saying that good performances against West Coast/North/whoever don't count because the teams are terrible. This was a common view on this board after we beat West Coast by 99 points last year for example.

And it is somewhat true, because those teams are quite poor. But you can't also say there's no such thing as a soft game.

They're different conversations.

The club cannot prepare as if it will just win games, because we tend not to. Largely because we're bad.

The achievement of winning against bottom teams should still be weighted accordingly. We win only those games because we're bad.