Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 3

[NSolis]

They're different conversations.

The club cannot prepare as if it will just win games, because we tend not to. Largely because we're bad.

The achievement of winning against bottom teams should still be weighted accordingly. We win only those games because we're bad.

Sure I agree with that, the club should not prepare as if it will just win games. I'm not sure they really do either, we haven't dropped that many games against bottom 4 sides in recent years, it's the mid-table clubs who we tend to stumble against (Richmond game being the exception).

But if we are evaluating games as outside observers or looking at a fixture we can obviously identify that West Coast at home is a pretty easy game we should expect to win, while Hawthorn in Tasmania might be a tough one. If we played West Coast 20 times I'd expect us to finish top 4 easily, for example.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Sure I agree with that, the club should not prepare as if it will just win games. I'm not sure they really do either, we haven't dropped that many games against bottom 4 sides in recent years, it's the mid-table clubs who we tend to stumble against (Richmond game being the exception).

But if we are evaluating games as outside observers or looking at a fixture we can obviously identify that West Coast at home is a pretty easy game we should expect to win, while Hawthorn in Tasmania might be a tough one. If we played West Coast 20 times I'd expect us to finish top 4 easily, for example.

Don't disagree.

If anything the quantum of wins from such a small pool of wins against all time hopeless teams in North Melbourne and West Coast further diminishes Nicks. It's difficult to understate how bad his record is.

 

[Doctor B]

Sure I agree with that, the club should not prepare as if it will just win games. I'm not sure they really do either, we haven't dropped that many games against bottom 4 sides in recent years, it's the mid-table clubs who we tend to stumble against (Richmond game being the exception).

But if we are evaluating games as outside observers or looking at a fixture we can obviously identify that West Coast at home is a pretty easy game we should expect to win, while Hawthorn in Tasmania might be a tough one. If we played West Coast 20 times I'd expect us to finish top 4 easily, for example.

We've got a five year sample size of the vast majority of Nicks' wins coming against the bottom few clubs

 

[spenze]

We've got a five year sample size of the vast majority of Nicks' wins coming against the bottom few clubs

That is why we went out and got a game day coach...

 

[NSolis]

We've got a five year sample size of the vast majority of Nicks' wins coming against the bottom few clubs

Yeah, so I think it's pretty clear that there are 'soft' games that we tend to win, and harder games we tend to struggle with. I also think in recent years there's a pattern of taking it up to some good sides and going missing in must-win games against mid-table sides.

I checked out of curiosity, and Nicks record in total against teams who finished bottom 4 is 15-7 over 5 years (68%). 14-5 since 2020 when we were easily the worst team. We've been one of the bottom 4 in 3 of those 5 years.

Record against the top 4 is 7-22 (24%) or 7-18 excluding 2020. Against everyone else it's 15-40 and 1 draw (28%).

 

[Scorpus]

Yeah, so I think it's pretty clear that there are 'soft' games that we tend to win, and harder games we tend to struggle with. I also think in recent years there's a pattern of taking it up to some good sides and going missing in must-win games against mid-table sides.

I checked out of curiosity, and Nicks record in total against teams who finished bottom 4 is 15-7 over 5 years (68%). 14-5 since 2020 when we were easily the worst team. We've been one of the bottom 4 in 3 of those 5 years.

Record against the top 4 is 7-22 (24%) or 7-18 excluding 2020. Against everyone else it's 15-40 and 1 draw (28%).

22-1-62 against all sides above the bottom 4 is absolutely horrendous

With Nicks it's more like the games against the bottom 4 sides are just "games" and every other game is a "hard game". There's not really any soft games when the only teams you beat are the bottom sides.

 

[Doctor B]

Yeah, so I think it's pretty clear that there are 'soft' games that we tend to win, and harder games we tend to struggle with. I also think in recent years there's a pattern of taking it up to some good sides and going missing in must-win games against mid-table sides.

I checked out of curiosity, and Nicks record in total against teams who finished bottom 4 is 15-7 over 5 years (68%). 14-5 since 2020 when we were easily the worst team. We've been one of the bottom 4 in 3 of those 5 years.

Record against the top 4 is 7-22 (24%) or 7-18 excluding 2020. Against everyone else it's 15-40 and 1 draw (28%).

Over the five years of Nicks

We've played 11 clubs

Sydney, Collingwood, Melbourne, Geelong, Essendon, Richmond, Fremantle, Brisbane, GWS, Gold Coast, Western Bulldogs

65 times for 12 wins (18%)

We've played

West Coast & North Melbourne

15 times for 11 wins (73%)

 

[spenze]

Over the five years of Nicks

We've played 11 clubs

Sydney, Collingwood, Melbourne, Geelong, Essendon, Richmond, Fremantle, Brisbane, GWS, Gold Coast, Western Bulldogs

65 times for 12 wins (18%)

We've played

West Coast & North Melbourne

15 times for 11 wins (73%)

Pretty damning that we gave that arse clown another 2 years

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Over the five years of Nicks

We've played 11 clubs

Sydney, Collingwood, Melbourne, Geelong, Essendon, Richmond, Fremantle, Brisbane, GWS, Gold Coast, Western Bulldogs

65 times for 12 wins (18%)

We've played

West Coast & North Melbourne

15 times for 11 wins (73%)

This should be written on a sign so if somebody starts complaining that I'm too mean to Nicks, I can say "don't make me tap the sign".

 

[NSolis]

Over the five years of Nicks

We've played 11 clubs

Sydney, Collingwood, Melbourne, Geelong, Essendon, Richmond, Fremantle, Brisbane, GWS, Gold Coast, Western Bulldogs

65 times for 12 wins (18%)

We've played

West Coast & North Melbourne

15 times for 11 wins (73%)

Yeah - I think the only clubs other than North and West Coast that Nicks has a winning record against are St. Kilda (3-2) and Carlton (4-2).

 

[Mostyn]

Over the five years of Nicks

We've played 11 clubs

Sydney, Collingwood, Melbourne, Geelong, Essendon, Richmond, Fremantle, Brisbane, GWS, Gold Coast, Western Bulldogs

65 times for 12 wins (18%)

We've played

West Coast & North Melbourne

15 times for 11 wins (73%)

So, you're saying that during the five years of our rebuild, we mostly beat the really bad teams, but didn't beat the good teams?

 

[Mostyn]

It amuses me how people make things up.
Given I’m the only one that’s brought it up, where have I said the recruitment team are all morons?
Just stick to what is posted.

Also Dawson, Rankine and cumming all had links here (SA/crows and Tex) ANB he was coming home no matter what.
Peatling definitely a good acquisition by the recruiting staff to entice him to a place he had no links.

So we were arrogant to Day, but not the others?

Or were we arrogant to everyone but the others didn't care?

 

[Doctor B]

So, you're saying that during the five years of our rebuild, we mostly beat the really bad teams, but didn't beat the good teams?

If you're happy going at 18% over 65 games in 5 years against 11 teams, go your hardest mate.

 

[crowcaine]

So, you're saying that during the five years of our rebuild, we mostly beat the really bad teams, but didn't beat the good teams?

Any way you look at it that is one of the shittest records for current coaches. Anyone who has a worse record hasn’t been coaching as long as Nicks.

 

[George CantStandYa]

So, you're saying that during the five years of our rebuild, we mostly beat the really bad teams, but didn't beat the good teams?

Yes, so why did we rush to re-sign Nicks? The club talked up how he was going and how successfully the rebuild was going, that was clearly a furphy that some gullible supporters fell for.

 

[ABAB]

So, you're saying that during the five years of our rebuild, we mostly beat the really bad teams, but didn't beat the good teams?

And loss a lot of close games against those good teams......

 

[FR0GGY]

So we were arrogant to Day, but not the others?

Or were we arrogant to everyone but the others didn't care?

I don’t know, I wasn’t the one that posted it.

 

[GreyCrow]

So, you're saying that during the five years of our rebuild, we mostly beat the really bad teams, but didn't beat the good teams?

 

[MRB37]

It amuses me how people make things up.
Given I’m the only one that’s brought it up, where have I said the recruitment team are all morons?
Just stick to what is posted.

Also Dawson, Rankine and cumming all had links here (SA/crows and Tex) ANB he was coming home no matter what.
Peatling definitely a good acquisition by the recruiting staff to entice him to a place he had no links.

The rumour on Peatling was his and Cummings GF's are besties, so once Peatling decided to leave GWS they were all into Peatling to come to the Crows since Cumming had already decided to play here.

Not to say that was the only reason why he moved, but there were still some links there apparently that helped influence his decision to pick us.

 

[119others]

Yes, so why did we rush to re-sign Nicks? The club talked up how he was going and how successfully the rebuild was going, that was clearly a furphy that some gullible supporters fell for.

We have covered this shit already - like 20 times. Does it really add value to anyone’s life going down the same track again for the same opinions and feedback from all. In summary, virtually everyone agrees he shouldn’t have been re-signed then. End of story. Move on.

In 4 weeks time, for all of our sake, let’s hope you think the new-improved Nicks is the second coming as we become finals bound and a competition darling with our fast paced, skilful, high scoring but uncompromising brand of footy

 

[GreyCrow]

We have covered this shit already - like 20 times. Does it really add value to anyone’s life going down the same track again for the same opinions and feedback from all. In summary, virtually everyone agrees he shouldn’t have been re-signed then. End of story. Move on.

No

In 4 weeks time, for all of our sake, let’s hope you think the new-improved Nicks is the second coming as we become finals bound and a competition darling with our fast paced, skilful, high scoring but uncompromising brand of footy

His record is his record and so it will be this year

 

[Mr_Moogle]

 

[119others]

No

His record is his record and so it will be this year

No what?

 

[George CantStandYa]

We have covered this shit already - like 20 times. Does it really add value to anyone’s life going down the same track again for the same opinions and feedback from all. In summary, virtually everyone agrees he shouldn’t have been re-signed then. End of story. Move on.

In 4 weeks time, for all of our sake, let’s hope you think the new-improved Nicks is the second coming as we become finals bound and a competition darling with our fast paced, skilful, high scoring but uncompromising brand of footy

Why have you targeted my post to moderate and not the post I responded to? Or the many others discussing Nicks?

And if you haven’t clued on yet, I don’t take kindly to your attempt to moderate my posting nor do I give a **** about your opinion. I’ll post what I want to post, use the ignore button if you don’t like it.

 

[AFC979810]

So, you're saying that during the five years of our rebuild, we mostly beat the really bad teams, but didn't beat the good teams?

What surprises me is that we haven't actually been too bad against the top teams considering our finishing position on the ladder.

If you take the top 4 from 2023 and the top 4 + premiers Brisbane from 2024 we have actually done reasonably well.

Our record against these teams over the past 2 years is 5 wins, 10 losses and a draw. 6 of those 10 losses have come by 11 points or less. We certainly have had the ability to match it with the top teams over the past two years.

Our issue has been our record against average teams.