Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 3

[Vader]

The AFL is open to letting clubs exceed that on a per club basis.
With JHF they counted trading out their first for him as a first round selection, due to his age. If the players they are trading for are young then they will overlook it.

While this is true, JHF had only been in the system for 1 year, so the AFL had no qualms about clearing it.

NWM recently turned 22, and 2025 will be his 4th AFL season. There's no way the AFL signs off on him counting as a 1st round selection.

 

[Cleric]

The AFL are willing to bend their own rules whenever it suits them so they can manipulate outcomes?

That doesn't sound like the AFL at all!

No, they are very fair and treat all clubs the same...

 

[Cleric]

While this is true, JHF had only been in the system for 1 year, so the AFL had no qualms about clearing it.

NWM recently turned 22, and 2025 will be his 4th AFL season. There's no way the AFL signs off on him counting as a 1st round selection.

They will look at it like this.
Is he a quality player? Does he have a decade of playing time ahead of him? Does it put Ports future at risk to take him on vs an 18 year old in the draft?
When you look at it like that, they would most likely tick it off.

The AFLs concern is clubs trading out multiple first rounders for older players which will then effect the longevity of their list.

 

[Vader]

They will look at it like this.
Is he a quality player? Does he have a decade of playing time ahead of him? Does it put Ports future at risk to take him on vs an 18 year old in the draft?
When you look at it like that, they would most likely tick it off.

The AFLs concern is clubs trading out multiple first rounders for older players which will then effect the longevity of their list.

No. They are prepared to make exceptions for clubs who trade in 1st or 2nd year players, who were drafted in the 1st round of their own drafts.

They will not consider doing it for a 4th year player.

The AFL made this clear when the rule was introduced.

 

[Cleric]

No. They are prepared to make exceptions for clubs who trade in 1st or 2nd year players, who were drafted in the 1st round of their own drafts.

They will not consider doing it for a 4th year player.

The AFL made this clear when the rule was introduced.

Can you show me where they have said that? I haven't seen it.

 

[Vader]

Can you show me where they have said that? I haven't seen it.

The best I can find (after a few minutes googling) is this:

The exception to that is where a club has applied for and received special permission, with the AFL weighing up the age of the players brought in and other draft picks used in that time.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/129301/first-round-pick-rule-how-is-your-club-placed

This clearly doesn't state that it's limited to 1st & 2nd year (former 1st round) draftees. Basically, the way it's worded, the AFL can do whatever the **** it wants, with no transparency, accountability, or requirement for consistency. In other words, it's business as usual for the AFL.

There is no way on God's Green Earth that the AFL is going to give special permission for a club to bring in a 22 yo player and claim an exemption to the 1st round picks rule.

 

[Stephen2]

The best I can find (after a few minutes googling) is this:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/129301/first-round-pick-rule-how-is-your-club-placed

This clearly doesn't state that it's limited to 1st & 2nd year (former 1st round) draftees. Basically, the way it's worded, the AFL can do whatever the **** it wants, with no transparency, accountability, or requirement for consistency. In other words, it's business as usual for the AFL.

There is no way on God's Green Earth that the AFL is going to give special permission for a club to bring in a 22 yo player and claim an exemption to the 1st round picks rule.

Have you met the AFL?

 

[cmndstab]

The AFL's decision-making process in cases like this is basically "do we want this outcome to occur? If so, it's allowed."

 

[spenze]

The best I can find (after a few minutes googling) is this:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/129301/first-round-pick-rule-how-is-your-club-placed

This clearly doesn't state that it's limited to 1st & 2nd year (former 1st round) draftees. Basically, the way it's worded, the AFL can do whatever the **** it wants, with no transparency, accountability, or requirement for consistency. In other words, it's business as usual for the AFL.

There is no way on God's Green Earth that the AFL is going to give special permission for a club to bring in a 22 yo player and claim an exemption to the 1st round picks rule.

I agree on this that they won't allow it to count for a first rounder. Not that big a deal though, Port just have to trade back into it if they need one

 

[Vader]

Can you show me where they have said that? I haven't seen it.

Here's another article which expands on things a little bit further:
https://www.afl.com.au/news/854671/...nlock-moves-swap-sets-up-deals-gun-hawk-waits

However it is understood clubs are checking with the League to see if there are any means to permit extra picks being traded if it is for players who are fresh to the AFL system and close to draft age.
...

Exemptions are allowed in the AFL's rule for clubs using at least two first-round picks in a rolling four-year period if a recruiting target is of a certain age and experience as determined by the AFL.

Again, "a certain age and experience" are not defined, nor is "close to draft age". However, there is no way a 22yo player who has been in the AFL system for 4 years absolutely won't qualify.

 

[Vader]

Apparently the rule is defined in the AFL's Determination for the trading of future draft selections document. Unfortunately, I can't find any trace of this document, either through googling or searching the AFL website. Without access to the document which defines the rule, there is no public transparency.

Source: https://www.afl.com.au/news/129301/first-round-pick-rule-how-is-your-club-placed

 

[50BC]

While this is true, JHF had only been in the system for 1 year, so the AFL had no qualms about clearing it.

NWM recently turned 22, and 2025 will be his 4th AFL season. There's no way the AFL signs off on him counting as a 1st round selection.

Exactly, JHF was a genuinely exceptional circumstance and one which the AFL quickly moved to try and prevent recurring. I'm not saying the same situation will never reoccur, but NWM isn't it.
If Port want NWM they will need another 1st rd pick (2025 or 2026)which means trading a very good player out. Simple as that.

 

[jimvic]

If Houston with 2 years left was a mid to late first round pick...not sure an uncontracted Bergman gets them a first rounder.

Looks like Port fans will be thinking, I can't believe it was Butters when it comes to getting draft capital. Basically trading out your best player by a margin is a big move.

but if he chooses Port it reduces what the Saints can do - they might just have to take what they get, like Port had to with Houston. In any case, the good news is Vic clubs (at least "minor" ones) will think twice before drafting SA kids

 

[DJ75]

No, they are very fair and treat all clubs the same...

Some are just treated fairer than others

 

[spenze]

but if he chooses Port it reduces what the Saints can do - they might just have to take what they get, like Port had to with Houston. In any case, the good news is Vic clubs (at least "minor" ones) will think twice before drafting SA kids

It doesn't mean they can give up a second to make it happen

They are not Geelong

 

[Cleric]

The best I can find (after a few minutes googling) is this:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/129301/first-round-pick-rule-how-is-your-club-placed

This clearly doesn't state that it's limited to 1st & 2nd year (former 1st round) draftees. Basically, the way it's worded, the AFL can do whatever the **** it wants, with no transparency, accountability, or requirement for consistency. In other words, it's business as usual for the AFL.

There is no way on God's Green Earth that the AFL is going to give special permission for a club to bring in a 22 yo player and claim an exemption to the 1st round picks rule.

That was back in 2019, and the AFL has relaxed it since then. No one thought Port would be able to do it prior, but they were.
A 22 year old is still young and will give a decade of service. He is a guaranteed strike as opposed to the risk of drafting a unproven 18 year old.
The AFL will be bringing in future trading two years in advance soon, so the whole thing will get a shake up.
And, as you said, the AFL will do whatever it wants regardless of what the rules they write say.

 

[Vader]

That was back in 2019, and the AFL has relaxed it since then. No one thought Port would be able to do it prior, but they were.
A 22 year old is still young and will give a decade of service. He is a guaranteed strike as opposed to the risk of drafting a unproven 18 year old.
The AFL will be bringing in future trading two years in advance soon, so the whole thing will get a shake up.
And, as you said, the AFL will do whatever it wants regardless of what the rules they write say.

They haven't relaxed it at all. JHF was the #1 pick only 12 months earlier. This is exactly the type of player they had in mind when they created the "special permission" exception.

There is not a snowball's chance in Hell that they'll grant "special permission" for a 22yo 4th year player.

 

[WeeBlake]

They haven't relaxed it at all. JHF was the #1 pick only 12 months earlier. This is exactly the type of player they had in mind when they created the "special permission" exception.

There is not a snowball's chance in Hell that they'll grant "special permission" for a 22yo 4th year player.

They’ll do whatever suits them best in the moment, as always

 

[Mostyn]

No. They are prepared to make exceptions for clubs who trade in 1st or 2nd year players, who were drafted in the 1st round of their own drafts.

They will not consider doing it for a 4th year player.

The AFL made this clear when the rule was introduced.

Oh, sweet summer child. Do you genuinely think the AFL wouldn't twist themselves in knots justifying why they would approve this?

 

[BigBoSS_Riot]

Couldn’t care even if he was cocky anyway, he doesn’t seem to let it slip into his performance. Very hard trainer, by all accounts I’ve seen

Quite by chance, I was looking for something on YouTube last night, and happened upon a St Kilda video.

It wasn't overly interesting, but one thing in particular that caught my attention was that both Darcy Wilson and Hugo Garcia specifically seemed to view Phillipou as their training benchmark. So that would certainly fall in line with your accounts as well.

 

[Mostyn]

The best I can find (after a few minutes googling) is this:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/129301/first-round-pick-rule-how-is-your-club-placed

This clearly doesn't state that it's limited to 1st & 2nd year (former 1st round) draftees. Basically, the way it's worded, the AFL can do whatever the **** it wants, with no transparency, accountability, or requirement for consistency. In other words, it's business as usual for the AFL.

There is no way on God's Green Earth that the AFL is going to give special permission for a club to bring in a 22 yo player and claim an exemption to the 1st round picks rule.

Lol - you literally say "can do whatever the **** it wants" and "there is no way" in back to back paragraphs.

There IS a way - it's called "they do whatever they want".

 

[Mostyn]

Apparently the rule is defined in the AFL's Determination for the trading of future draft selections document. Unfortunately, I can't find any trace of this document, either through googling or searching the AFL website. Without access to the document which defines the rule, there is no public transparency.

Source: https://www.afl.com.au/news/129301/first-round-pick-rule-how-is-your-club-placed

"there is no public transparency"

Now you're getting it. [emoji6]

 

[Vader]

Lol - you literally say "can do whatever the **** it wants" and "there is no way" in back to back paragraphs.

There IS a way - it's called "they do whatever they want".

... and why TF would the AFL want to allow Port to do this?

Port's playing list is now in a diabolical state, and a large part of the reason for this is that they have traded away so many high draft picks in recent years. They are the poster child for the AFL to say "no you can't do this - you need to use 1st round picks in this year's draft".

 

[WeeBlake]

... and why TF would the AFL want to allow Port to do this?

Port's playing list is now in a diabolical state, and a large part of the reason for this is that they have traded away so many high draft picks in recent years. They are the poster child for the AFL to say "no you can't do this - you need to use 1st round picks in this year's draft".

They’ll AFL loves player movement. It gives them amazing media coverage through October and November.

You are thinking about the AFL wrong. They are not in the business of running a fair competition according to a consistently applied set of rules. They are a media business. Like Disney or something. A thin veneer of fairness and consistency is enough.

 

[Vader]

They’ll AFL loves player movement. It gives them amazing media coverage through October and November.

You are thinking about the AFL wrong. They are not in the business of running a fair competition according to a consistently applied set of rules. They are a media business. Like Disney or something. A thin veneer of fairness and consistency is enough.

If NWM wants out of St Kilda, then I'm sure he'll find a way to do so.

There is no conceivable reason why the AFL would allow Port to count the recruitment of NWM towards the number of 1st round picks used in the 4-year rolling window. If anything, Port are the poster child for why this rule was introduced in the first place.