List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part II

[lockheed]

I ain’t reading all that because the point I was making was lost in your post. I was saying that the OP who was complaining about him having the “worst kicking action in the comp” is wrong based on OBJECTIVE facts.

To have such an agenda against a single player is hilarious to me, never mind the player who won the Syd this year. How about we focus on things like our awful bottom 6 players? They have a larger say on whether we win games or not.

Who would people rate as our remaining bottom six players, of those who regularly get games in the seniors?

 

[Ball Dont Lie]

Straight swap Jy for Oliver. Both on long term big money contracts. Both questionable to complete the term of the contracts for different reasons. Same age bracket. Both coming off lower than average years. Dees happy as Jy would be seen as character upgrade and thus should appease Trac. LDU, Harry, George happy as the best contested mid of the last 5 years slots in to give them protection and first use. Leadership wise Parker to captain until Harry takes over. It also shakes the place up from a complacency point of view seeing the captain traded.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Who would people rate as our remaining bottom six players, of those who regularly get games in the seniors?

Of those who played more than half the games in 2024:

Pink
McDonald
Stephenson
Stephens
Late season Shiels
Ford

We also didn't have any pacy defensive small forwards playing regular games in 2024. Adding one who can play at a competent standard would do us the world of good.

 

[giantroo]

 

[BlueandWhiteinmyBlood]

EAD Davies, you got a former #1 pick on the cheap - you can come to the party on this one.

 

[Reagan Smash]

Port reinforcing my opinion that they are a pack of vankas

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Dan is still leaving.

 

[krakouers]

Port reinforcing my opinion that they are a pack of vankas

Mind is a bit slow this morning and I do confess, I was thinking “Ivanka Trump?, what’s the rhyming slang there”

 

[justroyal]

So this reads more of a Carlton port trade. Let’s just step out of this one and put our attention elsewhere. I know, like with someone with a certain dog..

 

[Blightys Barrel]

With the microscope now firmly on Swans players who can't perform when it matters, how Francis will now be given another year is truly astonishing. He was beyond useless in the few games he played this year.

He gets as much love as CCJ and WillPhil on their boards. In the crowd they are scathing of him.

Swans had a great run with injuries for most of the year, but when Papley, McInernary and McCartin went down in and amongst that 100 Port thumping their soft underbelly was exposed. This is when the likes of Francis, Ladhams and Wicks come in and are way off the level required. Maybe he has some photos on Harley or Horse he brings out at each end of season interview

 

[Farthers]

So this reads more of a Carlton port trade. Let’s just step out of this one and put our attention elsewhere. I know, like with someone with a certain dog..

Josh Kelly?

 

[Val Keating]

Gettable said Clarko had met with Houston in the last few days.

Do we think that if Al got out the guitar & sang Dan a ballad during the catch up that it would help or hinder our chances of landing him??

Met with him twice now apparently.

 

[Blightys Barrel]

Unreliably informed he played him Rocket Man.

And then followed up with “Please Please Me”

 

[TurnoverMerchant]

Who would people rate as our remaining bottom six players, of those who regularly get games in the seniors?

For our bottom six I will refer to our side with a healthy list: Pink, Tucker, Fisher, Stephens, McDonald, K. Dawson.

That is an absolutely diabolical bottom six. Perhaps one of the worst bottom sixes from any side I can remember.

 

[perplexed]

I ain’t reading all that because the point I was making was lost in your post. I was saying that the OP who was complaining about him having the “worst kicking action in the comp” is wrong based on OBJECTIVE facts.

To have such an agenda against a single player is hilarious to me, never mind the player who won the Syd this year. How about we focus on things like our awful bottom 6 players? They have a larger say on whether we win games or not.

Wtf are you on about now?
Agenda against Luke?
I was criticising the coaches for not fixing the obvious flaws in his technique. I find it bizarre that they haven't. His weight transference is awful. Afl is miles behind other sports in this sort of stuff. If it was golf or tennis, it would be sorted out first thing as a junior. In footy nobody seems to be interested in the basics of kicking the ball.

 

[DuckYeah]

Wtf are you on about now?
Agenda against Luke?
I was criticising the coaches for not fixing the obvious flaws in his technique. I find it bizarre that they haven't. His weight transference is awful. Afl is miles behind other sports in this sort of stuff. If it was golf or tennis, it would be sorted out first thing as a junior. In footy nobody seems to be interested in the basics of kicking the ball.

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[Blightys Barrel]

Of those who played more than half the games in 2024:

Pink
McDonald
Stephenson
Stephens
Late season Shiels
Ford

We also didn't have any pacy defensive small forwards playing regular games in 2024. Adding one who can play at a competent standard would do us the world of good.

+ Fisher as a stat padding unaccountable backman.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

That was my point I guess. It’s up to you to make an offer, if not everyone walks away which I’m happy with.

You guys really need to get pick 2 out of your minds. You were never getting pick 2 for Houston. You're just fooling yourselves. Something around pick 10 is his worth. Everyone who is not Port Adelaide agrees.

 

[perplexed]

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Gryan has an unusual technique, but he is really well balanced when kicking which allows him to change angle at the last moment. Luke isn't and can't.
Gryan will never be able to kick it very far like that though. You would never teach this.

 

[Makeshift Park]

+ Fisher as a stat padding unaccountable backman.

He was seventh on my list. But at least he's got versatility going for him.

Ford + Stephenson's spots in the best 23 really need to be replaced by defensively accountable small forwards.

If we did that, and replaced Pink with Darling, McDonald with Houston, Stephens with Daniel (via kerch moving to the wing), and Shiels with Parker, I think we'd be cooking with gas.

 

[BlueandWhiteinmyBlood]

How keen do we think Melbourne are at getting Oliver and his contract off the books? Are they desperate for example would they attach pick 5 to Oliver and accept pick 22? Or do they honestly think they can get the majority of his contract off the books and get some decent capital back in return? Because if it’s the latter they are simply equally as delusional and naive as Oliver his himself at being shocked he is on the trade table.

 

[TurnoverMerchant]

Wtf are you on about now?
Agenda against Luke?
I was criticising the coaches for not fixing the obvious flaws in his technique. I find it bizarre that they haven't. His weight transference is awful. Afl is miles behind other sports in this sort of stuff. If it was golf or tennis, it would be sorted out first thing as a junior. In footy nobody seems to be interested in the basics of kicking the ball.

It is clear what I'm on about, hence others have understood what I have said and liked the post.

I have seen multiple threads now where you constantly beat a dead horse (not too dissimilar to a lot of other posters around here) and expect something to happen. When you go onto a thread to repeat yourself verbatim it reveals an agenda.

With the way you describe his kicking, it must be truly awful. However, from my observance across every game this season it is nowhere near as bad as you describe.

I also strongly believe that his kicking consistency is largely a symptom of the team (zero leading patterns, getting smashed in inside 50s, being hassled when in possession due to overusing the ball, confidence in one's ability).

He has areas to improve on, but that's ok. Larkey kicked over 70 goals in a season when being a liability in 1-on-1 contested situations. Clearly, weaknesses will be present throughout a player's career as no one is perfect. If LDU is only an above average kick, this should not be hindering our premiership chances in the future.

 

[Only Forwards]

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He does almost everything you try to teach kids not to do in Auskick.

 

[Samsquanch]

And then followed up with “Please Please Me”

As long as he didn't strum a few bars of that Glenn Campbell hit, "By the time we land Dan Houston I'll be gone" then I'm ok with Clarkson bringing the guitar.

 

[Its a Process]

It’s an interesting one to try and work out his true value. In a deep draft pick 10-14 feels about right, I’m surprised Carlton aren’t doing the deal for their 1st pick.

Is our play to trade our F1 for GC’s pick 12 and future 2nd round and then on trade it to Port?

It can’t be much more than that, surely.