List Mgmt. 2025 AFL Draft - Draft Analysis

[Grechy]

Will be interesting with Smillie(notwithstanding his injuries).
Did we pull the wrong rope?

Same people will complain if we draft a team of short people.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Norf should have just used the pick they traded for Caleb Daniel on Shanahan or Whitlock etc... They get to keep all their picks. Get the tall they needed and don't have Daniel spudding it up on their list in a position they can easily cover.

They did so many things wrong list profile wise.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Same people will complain if we draft a team of short people.

No surprise.
We even have one Campaigner on about the color of our stripe.

 

[richoatthedisco]

2026 shaping up way stronger than 2025 and far closer to 2024.

The reality is they gained 2 x 20's picks (1 strong draft, 1 weak) for pick 8 and gained pick 15 back for 2 x 20's picks (1 strong draft, 1 weak)

Looking at it on paper the deal they did to get 15 was a poor deal for Carlton and the deal they did with us was worse lol.

That looks suspiciously like they traded pick 8 for pick 15.

 

[Michaels]

Is it too late to ask Rhy if we hadnt traded the Whitlock pick if we take Alger there? You got him on speed dial now Michaels ?

Hang on I'll just facetime him

 

[tigs2010]

That looks suspiciously like they traded pick 8 for pick 15.

Meteoric Rise will claim it as a win

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Meteoric Rise will claim it as a win

I used to say when teaching budding sports punters...if you want to know how to win, you need to learn how to lose.

 

[sawyer]

That looks suspiciously like they traded pick 8 for pick 15.

Basically pick 8(Grlj), F2
for 15(Dovaston), 27 (Whitlock)

Any nuffies can confirm?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Basically pick 8, F2 and 46
for 15, 27 and 54

Any nuffies can confirm?

It is something like that, but there are 3 different drafts involved, which is the whole point of them initiating the trade in the first place.

 

[_RT_]

If I've read it right this is the complete breakdown of Norths dealing over the last 2 drafts

North give: 2024 Pick 25, 2025 Picks 8 28 46 & 2026 R2
North get: Daniel, Whitlock (pick 27 2025), Dovaston (2025 pick 16) Pass

1 x R1 pick 4 x R2 picks 1 x R3 pick for 3 players

 

[THE_GUN]

If I've read it right this is the complete breakdown of Norths dealing over the last 2 drafts

North give: 2024 Pick 25, 2025 Picks 8 28 46 & 2026 R2
North get: Daniel, Whitlock (pick 27 2025), Dovaston (2025 pick 16) Pass

1 x R1 pick 4 x R2 picks 1 x R3 pick for 3 players

Then there is another way to look at it ........

They got humped with no lube and are now walking around that it didnt hurt so much but johny holmes had a great time

 

[Dr Tigris]

Twoomeys career has been built around the mock draft.
If he gets them too wrong his credibility slides.
He needs to make up reasons to why he got it wrong.
To be fair its just that we played our cards so close to our chest which was awesome.

Twoomey knows his stuff. But he really relies on the clubs to tell him what they think.

So look at Cumming. He rated him 6th in the open pool. Then found out post draft that most clubs rated him 3rd in the open pool post-draft. Clubs know that they can use Cal to get a message out, and so they play games with him.

Some of the better draft guys on BF are more useful to understand players than Twoomey.

 

[ShereKhan]

This is made nonsense merely by the fact the 2024 draft is considered way stronger than the 2025 draft, especially for the key position players that you have said North needed to add to their list.

North were trying to get the best mixture of players for their list, which is exactly what any list management team should be doing. What they shouldn't be doing is saying pick 26 & 27 does not equal pick 8 in normal circumstances therefore we should never make that trade even when all circumstances and our list needs indicate we should.

They made the trade on the hope/assumption they'd finished somewhere 8th-12th. Had they have known they'd finish 16th there's not a single chance they'd have made that trade. The entire industry hated the trade on the night of the draft...BEFORE they knew they'd end up bottom-3.

Just as we'd have never given pick-31 and a F1 for Hopper if we thought we'd finish 13th and the F1 would be pick-6 (and end up as Dan Curtin). We did the deal thinking we'd be top-6 at worst and it would be pick-31 and a mid-teens pick. As soon as we started to fall down the ladder, the deal very quickly turned a bit sour. Had we known we'd finish 13th, not a single chance in a million years we'd have traded pick-31 and a F1. Zero. None.

Draft night 2024.....ok team, we need a KPP. Let's trade pick-3 in next year's draft for this pick to get Whitlock and a F2.

If you think North or any club in history would make that trade then you are kidding yourself, regardless of needs. Sure, it MIGHT turn out OK, we still don't know. But the fact no club would ever make that trade if they knew they'd finish 16th, means that right now with the quality of any players being a complete unknown, it's a poor trade.

There's a reason teams anticipating they'll be average don't give up future firsts for picks in the 20's. Never have....except North.

(they probably should've just kept the Caleb Daniel pick and got Whitlock and kept their F1.....or got Shanahan/ J Whitlock AND M Whitlock and a F2........but hey, it's North).

 

[ShereKhan]

They just traded 2 x 20s picks for pick 15 which seemed like they robbed Carlton.

hahaa...yep...

It seems many are trying to argue North 'won' the Carlton trade by giving up 2 x 20's picks OUT for pick-15 in this draft. And somehow also did OK in the Tiger trade trading 2 x 20's picks IN for pick-8 in the same draft

Everyone's a winner! Bahahaa.

 

[Coach_Required]

North know they royally ****ed it last year and have scrambled this year to try and turn it around. Their hand ended up better than it was at the start of 2025 but still behind where they should be.

North fans need comfort in anything they do as a slight win because they got nothing else to hang their hat on.

 

[THE_GUN]

North were extremely lucky that Carlton were in the predicament they were in with the Dean bid coming so early forcing Carlton to take what ever trade they could to move picks and get points.
If the bid had come around 7+ they most likely would have swallowed the hit and just kept their own picks

North were kissed on the D*** with saving the massive trade blunder of last year

 

[ShereKhan]

Norf should have just used the pick they traded for Caleb Daniel on Shanahan or Whitlock etc... They get to keep all their picks. Get the tall they needed and don't have Daniel spudding it up on their list in a position they can easily cover.

That's right..almost nobody was predicting M Whitlock was going in the 20's. It beggars belief that if North rated M Whitlock as high as they claim, and the whole industry pretty much knew he'd be there at the Caleb Daniel pick that they'd trade it out just prior to the draft.

It's actually ridiculous incompetence. There's a very good reason they've been bottom-3 for 6 years in a row.

 

[ShereKhan]

Basically pick 8(Grlj), F2
for 15(Dovaston), 27 (Whitlock)

Any nuffies can confirm?

Yep...they pretty much traded pick-8 for pick-15 - and even that was lucky because Carlton had to bend over with no lube thanks to West Coast.

 

[Coach_Required]

That's right..almost nobody was predicting M Whitlock was going in the 20's. It beggars belief that if North rated M Whitlock as high as they claim, and the whole industry pretty much knew he'd be there at the Caleb Daniel pick that they'd trade it out just prior to the draft.

It's actually ridiculous incompetence. There's a very good reason they've been bottom-3 for 6 years in a row.

North really should have kept their pick instead of Caleb, they could have ended up with Shanahan last year and one of Grlj/Taylor/ Sharp in this draft.

Imagine if they had Shanahan and X.Taylor on their list right now.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I used to say when teaching budding sports punters...if you want to know how to win, you need to learn how to lose.

 

[Lord of the Wings]

Greeves or Louis over Sonsie.

And about 14 others that didn't get drafted

 

[THE_GUN]

And about 14 others that didn't get drafted

Name them and lets track how they go

 

[Lord of the Wings]

Twoomey knows his stuff. But he really relies on the clubs to tell him what they think.

So look at Cumming. He rated him 6th in the open pool. Then found out post draft that most clubs rated him 3rd in the open pool post-draft. Clubs know that they can use Cal to get a message out, and so they play games with him.

Some of the better draft guys on BF are more useful to understand players than Twoomey.

Clubs don't tell him much its the player managers that tell him everything

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Great song. Sadly it's a bit different to that when betting on screens in solitude all day. But he did capture one thing right, you need to make good decisions.

 

[chriso11]

A flag list is built over 6-8 x seasons. Made up of literally hundreds of list management decisions across ND, RD, MSD, Trades, F/S, Academy and free agency.

It’ll be disappointing if Robey, Sharp and Taylor are superior players to Grlj. But if we turn into a flag contending list and Grlj is part of that team, then it’s sort of irrelevant. As maybe Grlj plays a more important role as a great team player than others may play as individuals.

Cripps and Merrett have both been outstanding individual players, far superior to Lambert or Edwards. Would I swap Lambert or Edwards for either of them? Not a chance. (We kicked 2 x goals in the entire last qtr of Port v Tigers PF … Lambert kicked both). He also chased Dusty’s man for most of his career.

So every recruiter will have more losses than hits… 95% of picks will have superior players taken after them.

It’s the sum of the parts over the entire build that’s important, not ‘Robey is better than Grlj’ so we don’t know what we’re doing…

If we are crud in 3-years then we’ve likely stuffed up too many decisions and heads should roll.

There was too much hype around Robey. Is he truly an elite prospect or was it just superb timing of a purple patch in his performance? Glad that our recruiting team didn’t fall for the “recency bias” and trusted the body of work they put in across the years