List Mgmt. 2025 AFL Draft - The Final Countdown

[tigs2010]

Would you take a deal of 7 and 8 and future first for 3 and 4. I would.

Melbourne or GC future 1st?

 

[Grechy]

I really like the look of Grij. Clean ball user and zippy around the contest. I think he really suits the current midfield mix, and the added plus of being able to play off half back.

 

[noobermensch]

Any plans for a Jai Murray video? Went looking and got donuts

Probably not to be honest. He just didn't really play this year. No champs. No VFL. Two talent league games early in the season which are the only options for me.

Also - to be honest - nobody watches vids of the Suns Academy players.

 

[tiger_tough]

Would you take a deal of 7 and 8 and future first for 3 and 4. I would.

Nah. 7 or 8 + F1 for 3 or 4 though....

 

[tigs2010]

Also - to be honest - nobody watches vids of the Suns Academy players.

Fair lol

 

[copthat]

Listening to Tim Lamb on the radio earlier and he was very bullish on the top end having some really elite talent.

He said it would be great to bring in 8 high picks over the years which indicates they wont trade.

But when pressed on players they were keen on. He said "I wont name the player" (singular)

Josh Lindsay you are a Melbourne Demon.

 

[sregit]

Any recruiter who knows what they are doing will be very seriously questioning why has this kid come from nowhere to become the flavour of the month and it can't just simply be because he had a growth spurt.

There is a reason why they follow these kids from 14-15 years old and not just wait until their draft year to make decisions about them.

Blair and Geischen (Toce) would have had this year's kids ranked for a couple of years keeping tabs on how they're developing how committed they are to their footy and also their lives away from the game, so I doubt that they would be throwing all that research out the window and putting all their faith in a kid who played well for the 2nd half of his draft year after not playing any games in his bottom aged year.

So yeah they may well be impressed with how he has come from the clouds, but I have no doubt that they also have some doubts about just how good the kid can become and whether the 2nd half of the year was just a kid taking everyone by surprise or and indication of what's to come when he does get drafted.

For whatever reason, you disagree with this opinion, even straight out called it wrong and based on previous history from our recruiting team I would suggest that you are the one who is wrong.

Just look at last year. Jagga Smith was the most dominant consistent performing kid in the draft pool yet 2 kids who were impacted by injuries in their draft year were taken ahead of him in Lalor & FOS, but on you logic the current performances should have weighted more heavily than past performances but they clearly didn't. Even when it came to our later picks an injured Hotton was seen as more highly rated than a full fit Murphy Reid, Faull (injury impacted year) was rated higher than the Whitlocks who had strong consistent years.

This is a load of rubbish. People insinuating he could be using PEDs. Due to his growth spurt. It’s not that uncommon for some kids to go through this. I grew 23 cms in 14 months as a 16-17 year old and even though I was no superstar, it did allow me to compete playing football at higher level and to be much more aggressive and hard at the contest.

Rumour mongers!

 

[Nostradumbass]

Jealous Oppo parents or clubs spreading rumours about Robey. Oh my...

 

[db26]

Farrow has become one of the more intriguing talents in the pool over the course of the season, starting the year as a mid sized rebounding defender with a penetrating and classy left boot, he ended the season playing largely through the midfield as we see in this game here, with definite shades of the Hayden Young or Ed Richards about him. Unlike other half backs that move into the middle, Farrow has already shown stoppage craft and the ability to still find space on the spread to make use of that fantastic left boot of his, although his radar was a little off in this game.

Like this kid his one I would be targeting if we split our picks. Pair him with a Cumming or Robey. How's his endurance and speed

 

[db26]

Melbourne or GC future 1st?

Dees

 

[tigs2010]

Jealous Oppo parents or clubs spreading rumours about Robey. Oh my...

Oppo? Its campaigners here lmao

 

[_RT_]

This is a load of rubbish. People insinuating he could be using PEDs. Due to his growth spurt. It’s not that uncommon for some kids to go through this. I grew 23 cms in 14 months as a 16-17 year old and even though I was no superstar, it did allow me to compete playing football at higher level and to be much more aggressive and hard at the contest.

Rumour mongers!

I'm not talking about any rumours. I'm simply suggesting that the club would be, in their due diligence on the kid, asking the type of questions that I suggested like is this kid the real deal or a flash in the pan who dominated because he came in as an unknown and didn't quite get the same sort of attention a kid who has been in the system would have got?

Surely that is a reasonable approach from a recruitment team looking to bring in top end talent to our program or do they just look at his performances solely and completely ignore the rest?

 

[THE_GUN]

Im happy to be open to trading both picks this year if it mean we get future 1st rounders along with later picks in the 1st round this year.

Blair will know exactly whats best for Richmond and boy am i happy we have him in charge during this rebuild

 

[beema limapep]

You're a real ideas man but I don't think trading a small at that pick is smart move.

Says the guy who doesn't even know the position Grlj plays in.

He's also 183cm, 3cm taller than Uwland, same height as Patterson and Annable, and 7cm taller than your beloved midfielder Prestia.

You absolute clown.

 

[beema limapep]

You pick best available at the top end of the draft normally.

If best available was two key forwards, would you pick them given we drafted 2 or three last year?

Didn't think so.

 

[sregit]

I'm not talking about any rumours. I'm simply suggesting that the club would be, in their due diligence on the kid, asking the type of questions that I suggested like is this kid the real deal or a flash in the pan who dominated because he came in as an unknown and didn't quite get the same sort of attention a kid who has been in the system would have got?

Surely that is a reasonable approach from a recruitment team looking to bring in top end talent to our program or do they just look at his performances solely and completely ignore the rest?

I’m not an out and out Robey fan but I think his body of work for at least half of the season is proof enough. What’s more important u17 or u18 form. Nice to have a kid who kills it for 2 years but the majority of draftees have either had injuries or a drop off in form at some stage. A draftee who is developing and improving late in his journey is far more exciting than a kid who killed it at u17s but is still okay, however, stagnating a little in performance.

 

[4tune8]

I'm not talking about any rumours. I'm simply suggesting that the club would be, in their due diligence on the kid, asking the type of questions that I suggested like is this kid the real deal or a flash in the pan who dominated because he came in as an unknown and didn't quite get the same sort of attention a kid who has been in the system would have got?

Surely that is a reasonable approach from a recruitment team looking to bring in top end talent to our program or do they just look at his performances solely and completely ignore the rest?

I asked this in an earlier reply to the same reasoning that you're using.

What makes you think that the recruiters and scouts have no prior knowledge of Sullivan Robey? It's their job to identify talent and just because he has put his name up in spotlights recently doesn't mean that there's no prior information on him.

If a nuffie like Calcium Man has noticed him then surely our professional recruiters would have an even better idea. If not then Milk Boi should apply for the vacant scouts job after they're dismissed

 

[_RT_]

Saying a growth spurt cannot explain Robey’s rise is just stupid. He went from being smaller than his peers to suddenly being bigger, stronger and more explosive, and his game lifted exactly in line with that. That is what happens with teenagers. Kids do not all grow at the same rate. Pretending that is some unknown mystery recruiters need to “seriously question” is just ignoring how hormones and development work.

Well aware that kids don't all mature at the same age and f?or the record I am not suggesting anything dodgy regarding Robey, I'm simply raising an issue that I believe our recruiters would also be discussing when evaluating where he sits in their draft rankings. Is it just a case of a kid growing into his body and being able to finally compete at the level where he previously wasn't able to? I'm sure they'd be asking Dandenong if Robey had displayed the same sort of talent when he was in their program, but it was just a case that his lack of size saw him get cut from their program.

You keep saying that because there’s no younger data the club might not be as keen. Bottom-age data is important, but only when top-age data is limited. It gives recruiters a through line if a draft year is interrupted. Lalor had one 30-touch game, Hotton had three or four big ones before doing his ACL, FOS showed his class in a small sample that tied back to his U17s. As the ABC article put it: “Players like Taj Hotton … only played a few games this year. But we have enough information from their bottom-age year for them to be considered draftable.” (ABC). That context matters when there is not enough top-age data.

Robey is the opposite. He played the full season, kept improving, and was clearly Eastern’s best player across the entire finals series in a premiership side. He even played the last two games with a cracked collarbone and still delivered. Using the absence of bottom-age notes against him is backwards.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here. On one hand bottom aged data is important when there is limited top aged data to go by, but on the other hand the lack of bottom aged data doesn't matter in Robeys case because he had such a strong top aged year. How can the recruiters genuinely make an assessment on just how good the kid is/has become when they have nothing to compare it to?

And the research backs it. The Frontiers AFL talent ID review spells out that late developers are often the ones who make it once everyone catches up: “Maturation is an important factor … differences as small as one year in puberty can have a significant effect … it is important selection does not discriminate against late-maturing players … look toward long-term athlete development rather than short-term success.” (Frontiers)

I honestly cannot believe you’ve made me read journal articles just to explain that a full season capped by being best on through the finals means more than whether there’s a bottom-age file sitting in the drawer.

Once again I'm not suggesting that our recruiters are ignoring Robey as a possible draftee, I'm saying that unlike a lot of us on here, maybe just maybe they aren't as in love with him. The only way we'll get an answer to that is draft night if he is still on the board at picks 3 & 4 and whether we take him or not. It would be fair to say, wouldn't you agree that if we did overlook him at that stage that maybe our recruiters had some reasonable doubt after all.

 

[tiger_tough]

Beema goes bang

 

[Karp3_dm]

Says the guy who doesn't even know the position Grlj plays in.

He's also 183cm, 3cm taller than Uwland, same height as Patterson and Annable, and 7cm taller than your beloved midfielder Prestia.

You absolute clown.

 

[_RT_]

I’m not an out and out Robey fan but I think his body of work for at least half of the season is proof enough. What’s more important u17 or u18 form. Nice to have a kid who kills it for 2 years but the majority of draftees have either had injuries or a drop off in form at some stage. A draftee who is developing and improving late in his journey is far more exciting than a kid who killed it at u17s but is still okay, however, stagnating a little in performance.

Just my opinion, but I like the idea of having a good spread of data about a kid so you can see from 1 year to the next just how they have developed and improved. Having a kid come from the clouds for me, would have my asking where has this come from and going back and looking at notes from the previous year/s to see if there were signs that the talent was there but something was holding them back. Maybe they're playing a different position or maybe it's as simple as they matured. That's what I'm getting at when suggesting that the club may not currently be as all in on the kid as some of us fans are.

I asked this in an earlier reply to the same reasoning that you're using.

What makes you think that the recruiters and scouts have no prior knowledge of Sullivan Robey? It's their job to identify talent and just because he has put his name up in spotlights recently doesn't mean that there's no prior information on him.

If a nuffie like Calcium Man has noticed him then surely our professional recruiters would have an even better idea. If not then Milk Boi should apply for the vacant scouts job after they're dismissed

They may have had knowledge of him, but you'd think it wouldn't be as in depth as it would be if he was playing bottom aged CTL in 2024, as I find it unlikely that we'd have scouts sitting out at local league games on a weekly basis like they would be at the CTL games.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

If best available was two key forwards, would you pick them given we drafted 2 or three last year?

Didn't think so.

Yeah, I'd much prefer to trade in a Paddy Dow instead of a Ben King, smart move.

 

[bigstyletiger]

He knows more than us punters. I don't think anyone else has Grij going that high.
That's why we should split picks if we like him.

Dylan Alexander has him very high.

 

[4tune8]

Just my opinion, but I like the idea of having a good spread of data about a kid so you can see from 1 year to the next just how they have developed and improved. Having a kid come from the clouds for me, would have my asking where has this come from and going back and looking at notes from the previous year/s to see if there were signs that the talent was there but something was holding them back. Maybe they're playing a different position or maybe it's as simple as they matured. That's what I'm getting at when suggesting that the club may not currently be as all in on the kid as some of us fans are.

They may have had knowledge of him, but you'd think it wouldn't be as in depth as it would be if he was playing bottom aged CTL in 2024, as I find it unlikely that we'd have scouts sitting out at local league games on a weekly basis like they would be at the CTL games.

But this is your assumption and sure, you might like a good spread of data, these scouts and recruiters don't just rely on getting to games to assess young players, they have a constant stream of information coming from coaches and football development guys and if someone is showing promise then I'm 100% sure that we'd be all over it. Our scout in the west has proved his worth many a time by relying on this sort of info.

The guys looking after our talent acquisition are very well placed to make educated decisions on whether a 'late bolter' is indeed that. Just because a load of nuffies on a football forum are 'eye opened' to a talent doesn't mean that those who are paid to identify talent haven't been aware.

 

[TJTIGER]

Let's just say there might be a reason behind his meteoric rise up the draft rankings... pre Eastern Ranges days and how he became to be noticed suddenly.

Read between the lines and you'll get where I'm coming from.

I like the kid a lot, impressed me when I watched the Coates league GF at Ikon Park, but the rumours I'm hearing are red flags in my book.

Reliable/trustworthy sources?