List Mgmt. 2025 AFL Draft - The Final Countdown

[Damo80]

And? Drafts are random, last year was a glut of top mids, this year there are none really outside sharp.

You play the cards you were dealt not what you wish you were dealt.

This is exactly right, and what many seem to be missing. It’s a thin draft in terms of bankable talent. Well and good to say “don’t pick player x with a top 5 pick, we need a gun mid”, but show me the gun mids available for us to choose from?

 

[Calcium Man]

we wont be taking a defender so early , NO CHANCE !

Get your melt ready than Groupie.

Because it’s gonna be Robey + one of Grlj/XT/Sharp.

 

[sregit]

I keep flipping and flopping aswell. I'd rather not use a top 4 (top 8 after all the academy bullshit) on Grjl. If we like him enough and split 4 then so be it.

If we don't split then I want Robey and Sharp or CDT. I'm not sure how CDT fits with the rest of the big guys, Robey and Sharp would be my ideal first scenario.

When considering CDT, I think he needs to be looked upon as a utility rather than a ruckman. He has great ground ball skills, is super quick for a guy his size and has a good footy brain. He plays good link up football and can play forward or back. His marking is okay but not his strength. He could be the unicorn that people have touted. I don’t want to compare him to buddy but he gives that type of impression. I want this guy, probably because he could be anything. A risk -YES. Still will need physical development. A ruckman - NO.

 

[ShereKhan]

Are you sure about this? Pretty sure that the deficit impacts a teams R1 pick first, then if still not covered then flows on to the next pick and so on until the deficit is covered.

Having a loophole that could see a side fall 1167 points into deficit due to matching multiple bids but not lose their R1 pick because they matched 2 bids in the 2nd round to go into that deficit would defeat the purpose of tightening up the points value.

It doesn't work that way as it's too easy to go into deficit but not impact your draft position. Eg. you match a second round bid and you go '300' points into deficit. But the next year you have pick-1......so you go from 3,000 to 2,700 and still have pick-1 so you've matched for 'free'. But if you have to use points from a second round pick, then the 300 reduction might slide you back 7-8 picks.

At least that's my understanding.......

 

[4tune8]

When considering CDT, I think he needs to be looked upon as a utility rather than a ruckman. He has great ground ball skills, is super quick for a guy his size and has a good footy brain. He plays good link up football and can play forward or back. His marking is okay but not his strength. He could be the unicorn that people have touted. I don’t want to compare him to buddy but he gives that type of impression. I want this guy, probably because he could be anything. A risk -YES. Still will need physical development. A ruckman - NO.

Ok, so he's not a ruckman, his marking isn't one of his strengths which would preclude him from being a KPF or KPD for that matter, but he has good ability below his knees for his size.

To me that sounds like someone that you hope improves, but right now doesn't present as having elite KPP traits. Definition of a bust in my books.

We recruited Sims last year who is the same size, a better ruck and a better contested mark, obviously not as agile around the ball.

 

[sregit]

It doesn't work that way as it's too easy to go into deficit but not impact your draft position. Eg. you match a second round bid and you go '300' points into deficit. But the next year you have pick-1......so you go from 3,000 to 2,700 and still have pick-1 so you've matched for 'free'. But if you have to use points from a second round pick, then the 300 reduction might slide you back 7-8 picks.

At least that's my understanding.......

A deficit created matching in round 1 must be paid back from your round 1 the following year. If the deficit is created from round 2 it can be paid back in round 2… and so on.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

It doesn't work that way as it's too easy to go into deficit but not impact your draft position. Eg. you match a second round bid and you go '300' points into deficit. But the next year you have pick-1......so you go from 3,000 to 2,700 and still have pick-1 so you've matched for 'free'. But if you have to use points from a second round pick, then the 300 reduction might slide you back 7-8 picks.

At least that's my understanding.......

its the academies that are the problem. giving northern teams infinite access to high end talent (who theyve already integrated into their AFL system) regardless of ladder position for absolute peanuts. it's no longer an equalisation effort it's now just keeping them up the top to try and grow the brand. completely compromised competition.

 

[Danog]

Ok, so he's not a ruckman, his marking isn't one of his strengths which would preclude him from being a KPF or KPD for that matter, but he has good ability below his knees for his size.

To me that sounds like someone that you hope improves, but right now doesn't present as having elite KPP traits. Definition of a bust in my books.

We recruited Sims last year who is the same size, a better ruck and a better contested mark, obviously not as agile around the ball.

He's not a great overhead mark but I think a lot of us (myself included) are underselling him on his speed. If he can mark the ball out in front with his long arms after burning off his opponent, it's just as effective as an overhead mark. We just need good kicks to get the ball to him that way.

 

[sregit]

Ok, so he's not a ruckman, his marking isn't one of his strengths which would preclude him from being a KPF or KPD for that matter, but he has good ability below his knees for his size.

To me that sounds like someone that you hope improves, but right now doesn't present as having elite KPP traits. Definition of a bust in my books.

We recruited Sims last year who is the same size, a better ruck and a better contested mark, obviously not as agile around the ball.

CDT plays like an on baller. He can play back. The guy has super mobility. Buddy was a shit mark for his size. CDT will ruck but should not be seen as a primary ruckman. He is exciting to watch.

 

[SthMelb Tigers]

we wont be taking a defender so early , NO CHANCE !

Is this what you've heard, or what you hope?

 

[Calcium Man]

He's not a great overhead mark but I think a lot of us (myself included) are underselling him on his speed. If he can mark the ball out in front with his long arms after burning off his opponent, it's just as effective as an overhead mark. We just need good kicks to get the ball to him that way.

If is doing a lot of the lifting there. He usually resorts to chest marks in those situations.

But yes he’s ****en lightening.

I think Pmbangers explained it best, to clubs he is this blank slate that they can turn into anything they want. I dont agree personally but I understand the concept.

 

[beema limapep]

people are seduced cos hes a Richmond supporter .
Imagine taking a defender so early !

CRAZY!!!

But we took Gubkis with our first pick and you are his most staunch defender.

 

[THE_GUN]

He’s not getting past Melbourne and probably Essendon in reality if we don’t take him.

Bombers need mids not outside runners
They will have Sharp & Cumming in their sights if they cant trade up

 

[Groupie_]

But we took Gubkis with our first pick and you are his most staunch defender.

thats where u take defenders and later , not top farrken 5

 

[ShereKhan]

come again

He means we are not picking Taylor as pick #4....he 'really' pick #8 in an uncompromised draft, which is where the likes of Vlastuin, Tauru and Gibcus have gone.

Duursma
Uwland
CDT
Patterson
Robey
Dean
Annable
X Taylor

 

[Calcium Man]

Bombers need mids not outside runners
They will have Sharp & Cumming in their sights if they cant trade up

I thought XT was a KPD?

 

[Groupie_]

Is this what you've heard, or what you hope?

im just using common sense

 

[ShereKhan]

CDT plays like an on baller. He can play back. The guy has super mobility. Buddy was a shit mark for his size. CDT will ruck but should not be seen as a primary ruckman. He is exciting to watch.

If CDT is Luke Jackson then huge win to whomever gets him. Jackson is not a great contested mark either, but when playing ruck he's a deadset freak.

If he's Josh Fraser then would be disappointed to spend a top-3 pick, but Fraser did play 218 games, so not a disaster in a weak draft.

If he's Josh Schache then heads will roll.

 

[Morro]

I have said all along that WC take Dursma and Sharp, but if those dumb campaigners dont take Sharp and we can Get Robey and Sharp with 3&4 then we are just taking the piss and WC are literally working for us.

 

[beema limapep]

First pick Robey.

If he's gone already to WC, no to CDT and trade pick 3 to Essendon for pick 5 and 21.

Then use first pick 4 on Sharp.

Pick 5 Grlj or maybe Cumming.

Pick 21 - best available small fwd/mid/wing

Pick 38 Le Ray

Rookie Kellaway.

 

[tiger_tough]

Sharp & Grlj
Robey & Grlj
Robey & Sharp

Any of those 3 combos and I'll be happy and won't belt Morro.

 

[tigs2010]

Sharp & Grlj
Robey & Grlj
Robey & Sharp

If we get any of these I'll be so happy I'll belt Morro

 

[THE_GUN]

I thought XT was a KPD?

You thought wrong

 

[Danog]

Sharp & Grlj
Robey & Grlj
Robey & Sharp

Any of those 3 combos and I'll be happy and won't belt Morro.

Would be happy with any combo of Robey, CDT, Sharp with our current picks.

I like Grlj a lot, but 4's a bit early for him. Hopefully both Essendon and Melbourne really want whoever's left at 4 and we can slide it out a bit and still take him.

 

[Daka]

why the hell would you take a defender like taylor with a top 3 pick

you dont take defenders that early ffs

You would take Taylor before you take Grlj with our picks.