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List Mgmt. 2025 Draft & Trade Thread - Picks 31, 32, 42, 60 and 71
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Just the kind of pick up we need. Might cost an academy kid, but that might have to happen. You have to like someone who is rapidly improving.If we had a free list spot, this guy sounds very interesting:
Little-known South Australian on AFL Draft radar
The defender played all four games at the U18s National Championships for South Australia this year.www.zerohanger.com
Bryce Sanders
State: South Australia
State League Club: North Adelaide
Community Club: Modbury
Date of Birth: 11/05/2007
Height: 197cm
Tall defender who spent the early part of the year playing forward and ruck before grasping the opportunity down back when an injury opened a spot for South Australia in the National Championships. Sanders used his physicality and skill to match the opposition’s key forwards and looked very composed and unflustered in defence. Was at his best against Western Australia in the 76-point victory which helped set up the title win. Sanders continued to hone his tall defender craft at under 18 level with North Adelaide, having an outstanding game against eventual premier Sturt in Round 13 when he amassed 26 disposals and 12 marks.Sanders tested very well at SA State Combine, with his running vertical jump of 87 cm and speed of 3.01 seconds for the 20 metre sprint both assets for a player of his position and size.
Will be interesting what type of player we use to fill the 6 available list spots.If we had a free list spot, this guy sounds very interesting:
Little-known South Australian on AFL Draft radar
The defender played all four games at the U18s National Championships for South Australia this year.
Bryce Sanders
State: South Australia
State League Club: North Adelaide
Community Club: Modbury
Date of Birth: 11/05/2007
Height: 197cm
Tall defender who spent the early part of the year playing forward and ruck before grasping the opportunity down back when an injury opened a spot for South Australia in the National Championships. Sanders used his physicality and skill to match the opposition’s key forwards and looked very composed and unflustered in defence. Was at his best against Western Australia in the 76-point victory which helped set up the title win. Sanders continued to hone his tall defender craft at under 18 level with North Adelaide, having an outstanding game against eventual premier Sturt in Round 13 when he amassed 26 disposals and 12 marks.Sanders tested very well at SA State Combine, with his running vertical jump of 87 cm and speed of 3.01 seconds for the 20 metre sprint both assets for a player of his position and size.
We've got, McCartin, Melican, Rampe, Hamling, Serong, Snell, Edwards and Andrew.. excluding Blakey, that makes 8 tall defenders. How many tall defenders is too many ?
If we draft King, Charmical, Kyle, that covers a few bases - Mid, fwd, half back distributer.
I wouldn't be surprised if we pick up a ruck. We've only Grundy, Ladhams and Green (with McLean as an emergency)
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That's a Yes from me. Looks a good type.If we had a free list spot, this guy sounds very interesting:
Little-known South Australian on AFL Draft radar
The defender played all four games at the U18s National Championships for South Australia this year.
Bryce Sanders
State: South Australia
State League Club: North Adelaide
Community Club: Modbury
Date of Birth: 11/05/2007
Height: 197cm
Tall defender who spent the early part of the year playing forward and ruck before grasping the opportunity down back when an injury opened a spot for South Australia in the National Championships. Sanders used his physicality and skill to match the opposition’s key forwards and looked very composed and unflustered in defence. Was at his best against Western Australia in the 76-point victory which helped set up the title win. Sanders continued to hone his tall defender craft at under 18 level with North Adelaide, having an outstanding game against eventual premier Sturt in Round 13 when he amassed 26 disposals and 12 marks.Sanders tested very well at SA State Combine, with his running vertical jump of 87 cm and speed of 3.01 seconds for the 20 metre sprint both assets for a player of his position and size.
We've had issues filling the 3 senior KPD spots and VFL spots with 7-8 KPDs on the list in recent seasons. So 8 isn't too many, and neither Rampe nor Hamling should really be considered if we're deciding to draft a kid, but that said, whether development of someone gets stunted by selecting yet another for 2026 is something to consider.
Sanders above, as the example, looks like he can play several roles so might have to spend time around the ground for a year until we lose the veterans, or maybe Rampe plays a medium role and/or Hamling goes forward again if in VFL (we already know what he can do down back). There's ways to bridge the year, and injuries have always been a factor in recent years anyway.
A KPF or strong/marking medium forward from a numbers perspective would make more sense in terms of a "key" post (even with King), but then Sanders, as the example here, might end up forward anyway.
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Dunkley may have said that l, but he nominated very, very last second for father son.
Although the AFL does little for grassroots football, the Ovens and Murray is one of the strongest country leagues in Australia.
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Yes, I don’t believe he was genuine. My comment was in relation to Dunkley and Swans saying the right thing so no one could claim draft tampering.
Yeah, apologies, I misread the context / tone.
None of us really know what went on with Dunkley.
All that is certain is it is a total disaster that he is now playing in flags for Brisbane.
Interestingly, a few years ago I was watching my local club playing Montrose in reserve grade of div 1 in the EFNL in what was admittedly a high class game for reserves, when I overheard a spectator commenting about this. He said that it was his first time seeing this comp as he was from the O&M league, and he thought the standard of that game was as good as the standard of seniors in the O&M.
I have to admit that 95% of reserves games in div 1 of the EFNL you wouldn't cross the road to watch, but i think he went back home in awe of the standard because he saw a particularly good one.
It also made me think that maybe the standard of the O&M league isn't what it once was.
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The rumoured rookie of Rampe and Lloyd may be to also elevate Edwards to the main list which is a positive for Edwards future at the Swans.
Why would we elevate Edwards if we don’t have to? My understanding, under the ever changing rookie list and B list rules, is that he is eligible to remain a Cat B rookie for 2026. If the club were to move him off the Cat B list, one of the available list spots we can fill would only be eligible to be filled with local players who slip through the main draft. As it is, one of the list spots is only available for such players. Why would the club restrict another spot voluntarily?
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If we rookie Rampe and Lloyd we will have five main list spots available.
We only have 3 good picks.
That would leave 2 main list spots not able to be filled.
It would also fill up our rookie CAT A spots.
Maybe we want to rookie an additional player.
Maybe we want to rookie 2 Cat Bs with Kirk delisted like McNamara and Chamberlain.
I am just throwing up possibilities.
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I’m not clear that we will rookie them both. One, maybe. I think there’s a risk with Lloyd (including that he gets pissed off and does a Hugh Greenwood). But even if we do, we retain list flexibility; indeed more if we do rookie them - or someone like Adams. Those last two senior spots can be shunted to the rookie list if we wish.
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Yep.
We also may rookie only Ranpe. Then only rookie one additional Cat B. We may rookie both and only rookie one Cat B.
Who knows what they have in mind.
Maybe they are trying to get back to 36 main list spots incrementally. Like we always have had.
I just think we want to rookie an extra player. Just a feeling. We are contending. That's why.
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If we intend for Lloyd to go on for two years as was reported then if I understand correctly we would have to have him on the senior list or rookie him and he would need to trust we would give him a second year. Surely no manager would recommend that!
Rampe's situation is pretty easy to decode but Lloyd not so much.
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We've only ever offered Lloyd a deal for next year.
Do you know where it was reported somebody offered him 2?
Perhaps I misread. Long time ago. Thought we offered Rampe one and Lloyd 2. TBH I Iike one better. Obviously more likely to be rookied as well.
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Not that we are going to get him, but Sharp's drop is dumb in my opinion. Should be in the top 5 but as other players have the "athletic profile" he drops.
Reckon he will be a 200 gamer top 10 on list type.
Reckon he will be a 200 gamer top 10 on list type.
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I don't recall that at all.
This is the main takeaway from that diabolical decision he has 2 medals both times played a huge part against us...
He is not close to be done either
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I reckon it was out of our control.
Dumb statements using words like diabolical are sensationalising a situation out of our control.
He set the conditions of his eligibility to being drafted by us.
We did not have the capacity to draft him based on his preconditions.
As to diabolical, it is diabolical that you use the word diabolical.
We were not in the position to draft him.
Thats it.
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It's still a really weird situation that remains unclear.
At the time, it was reported that the Swans didn't match because there was a supposed agreement that we'd only match a bid if it was interstate. Maybe we used that as our excuse because we weren't really that keen on another mid after securing Mills. For what it's worth, we made a very good call by not picking Dunkley because it allowed us to pick Dawson, but unfortunately, we know the rest of that story as well as Josh's.
In hindsight, I think the Dunkleys and the Swans didn't have a good feel for one another due to their previous spat, and maybe without that absolute trust, we decided it was better to pass. Andrew would have told Josh to ask for a trade as soon as possible if he wasn't getting game time, which would have been fair enough.
Knowing Longmire, it was doubtful Josh would get many games in 2016, but it's so ironic because another father-son pick in Tom Mitchell, who was also undervalued by Longmire, left for Hawthorn, which would have resulted in Josh getting a decent crack from 2017 onwards if given the opportunity. Beatson probably made the call because he calculated the human/emotional element of the situation and the potential disaster if things didn't go in the Dunkleys' favour.
Kinnear's role must be so frustrating, as he can get it perfectly right, off of pure talent assessment, but there's so much more to drafting and recruitment than that, and ultimately, the rest is out of his control as the egos and agendas of players, coaches, agents, and families get in the way.
Post 2012, our list management was a hilarious calamity during the 2010s era. We picked up Tippett, who got a huge ban, which penalised us more than anything. We then picked up Buddy, so we were given a trade ban, and we also lost COLA, which destroyed our cap management during a premiership window, and it left us with no money to re-sign Tom Mitchell or top up any other needs.
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Well the guy we drafted instead i cant remember did he even play a game? and disrespected a club legend on social media.
So in this case yer diabolical is a appropriate term to describe it sorry if its to offensive for you.
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We were not in a position to draft him.
Diabolical is not offensive to me.
It is a misplaced hyperbolic adjective to make your argument sound credible when it is not.
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