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I've always found it interesting when reports like this get leaked, sure its a signal of intent from the club but its not a great look if you don't land said player. Also sends the wrong message to the playing group that we've got cash to splash but not on you.

Good clubs simply don't put this stuff out there, they quietly go about their business and just get deals done.
They want it out there. If Saints can push clubs to pay more to re-sign their stars, eventually someone will get squeezed out. As far as theyre concerned its win win.
 

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If Saints offering that amount that's just sheer stupidity. Their list has gaping holes and as we've seen with Grundy, you don't go sell the farm on Ruckmen, even if they're the top of the crop. 1.7million is 2 top end mids or KPP which will be more valuable to them.
 
Cottrell will be fantastic depth. If we are to improve he is one who will be pushed out along with a few others like Fogarty who will also be fantastic depth. Good honest players but not really genuine or high quality forwards. Thinking back to the mid 90's when we had a really good list, a good comparison would be someone like Ron De Iulio. Not quite best 22 but would come in and play well when needed.

Our smaller forwards have been really weak. So we are hoping to get a lift from Williams, E Hollands, Motlop, Moir, Smith and maybe others like Durdin and Fantasia plus we will have a proper third tall with Kemp there as well. So it will be a new look and hopefully vastly improved forward line for us and it will be hard to crack a game but we will need those quality depth players.

I think we are in good stead for forwards but we need new faces to come into the team in the forward line because we are desperate to improve in this area and if that doesn't happen we will need to target good forwards in the draft and trade period and go pretty hard because what we have had the last few season doesn't cut the mustard.
 

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Not worried about TDK leaving. Have always had the gut feel he'll stay. If I'm wrong, so be it life goes on and it's easy enough to get value in trading in ruckmen from other clubs.

What I'm more concerned about is articles like this coming out every week and the potential that has to impact his form this season. He needs to stand up this year and a lot of our fortunes are going to centre around him having a great year. If he wants to play the leverage game where he holds out until later in the year then hopefully he's not one to let the articles impact his form.

Well said.

Not getting wound up about whether he stays or goes (obviously would prefer the former), he's not the messiah (and he doesn't seem to be a naughty boy)

As you say only concern I have is whether or not this carry on will affect his form.
 
TDK needs factor in that nearly half of those extra $ will be taken in tax.

Also, if he becomes a premiership star at Carlton, it'll be worth a lot post career. Even if he doesnt win a flag, it'll be worth much then being a high calibre player in a poor saints team.

Look at the AFL media. Most of them played for successful clubs.
 
TDK needs factor in that nearly half of those extra $ will be taken in tax.

Also, if he becomes a premiership star at Carlton, it'll be worth a lot post career. Even if he doesnt win a flag, it'll be worth much then being a high calibre player in a poor saints team.

Look at the AFL media. Most of them played for successful clubs.


Why do the AFL Media always have a woody for Nick Riewoldt then?

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Why do the AFL Media always have a woody for Nick Riewoldt then?

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He didnt play for a big team but played in a very good team for most his career and had a lot of success even though he didnt win a flag.

There are some exceptions. Not saying its the case for everyone but is the case more often then not.
 

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TDK needs factor in that nearly half of those extra $ will be taken in tax.

Also, if he becomes a premiership star at Carlton, it'll be worth a lot post career. Even if he doesnt win a flag, it'll be worth much then being a high calibre player in a poor saints team.

Look at the AFL media. Most of them played for successful clubs.
Correct, a 700k pay increase in actual terms is more like 400k. Still massive money but not the same.

Reckon something has been lost in translation here. 1.7mil? Maybe a front ended contract the averages out to 1.3ish.

I doubt there going to pay a guy who only just became our number 1 ruck last year and has only finished in our B&F top 10 once (last year, 7th).
 
Anyone mentioning Fog as a depth player is mad. Is crucial to us.

The same has been said about plenty of players.

Fog is crucial right up until someone with more hurt factor decides to put in the same defensive efforts as Fog himself. The minute that happens he becomes depth.

Hasn't happened yet, but we'll see what 2025 brings with Moir looking sharp, Williams fit, Cottrell fit, Motlop fit, Durdin fit, Fantasia fit, Kemp moved forward, Lij ready to go up a level, Jagga deserving of a starting spot...there are going to be some tough conversations at the selection table.
 
The taxed amount is irrelevant. He will be paying the highest tax rate for the rest of his life. The biggest thing is a dollar now is worth a lot more than A dollar in the future.
If the figures are correct imo he is crazy to stay or we are crazy getting close to that amount.
 
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