List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[SainterinSydney]

Be a very different vibe down there next year if Nas and Ro are gone

At least with Ro we can hold him to his contract.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

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[mad-saint-guy]

No of course, but we just can't be bullied into taking a poor return. The poster above who mentioned Butters, he's the domino to fall in all of this IMO. Short of him being involved there's no way for it to make any sense for us.

He won't want to go to Perth.

We can though. If he was contracted, then we would be in a much stronger position. If we're being pragmatic and not emotional, a player or two and Port's two picks is the best we could expect.

Nas could walk and ask for a 5 mil, 2 year deal and he'd be snapped up by WC, to be traded to Port next year. We can't pay that money unless we trade out several senior players (or abandon the TDK pursuit which doesn't seem likely).

We're up shit creek with a very flimsy paddle. We're going to have to make the best of a bad situation

 

[Wildlife Analysis]

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Time for a poll - you should start a thread perhaps ? Pretty sure Nas and Williams lurk here so poll could influence decision.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

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[thekizzler]

I get the stress and frustration but there is still NO indication that Nas is leaving.

The media would love to dance on our grave if Nas was leaving, so right now there is no indication he is leaving, because if there was, we would know about it from the vultures trying to break the story first.

For all those saying that if he was staying he would have signed by now...well some history says that. But there has been other cases of players re-signing in late August, even late September - namely Dustin Martin and Jordan De Goey

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Jordan De Goey

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188cm

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6.7

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3.9

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3.1

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2.3

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15.8

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9.7

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6.2

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2.8

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1.7

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2.3

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11.6

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6.2

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Why would Nas re-sign now as his value continues to go up and up? Why not wait until after the season to re-sign if you are going to get your one huge pay day?

I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but it's quite plausible - and more of a chance that this is happening than him leaving, in my opinion.

It does disappoint me a little if Nas is trying to squeeze every dollar out - and despite those blaming his agent - the player is also culpable. But it will set him up for life no matter what happens.

When I think of Nas' future, I think of this quote spoken after the Melbourne game in Alice Springs. Things can change, so he might have changed his mind. But this wasn't a man leaving the St Kilda football club when he spoke these words.

Chins up.

"I am happy playing here. I've got great relationships with the boys. I love Ross, I love all the coaching staff. I want to be part of something special here at St Kilda," Wanganeen-Milera told AFL.com.au after passing a SKAT5 test at TIO Traeger Park on Sunday night.

"This is obviously a step towards it. We've got a good young crew. We are all self-driven and want to be the best Saints ever. That's what we are striving for. We know there are going to be ups and downs. We just want to keep sticking at it and getting to work.

"Obviously the media talks, so we just try and concentrate on getting to work on building out our future. I try and let my footy do the talking and try and avoid the stuff. My manager is back in Adelaide so we will talk over there."

Source: https://www.saints.com.au/news/1797...r-happy-at-saints-as-decision-on-future-looms

 

[billings2paddy]

my memories of sundays game will be very different if nas leaves. dont think ill be able to watch it again, seeing that mark knowing hes playing in adelaide.

I thought the same thing about Goddard
If NAS leaves we move on
He's not playing like he's leaving

 

[thekizzler]

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[sainter7]

I get the stress and frustration but there is still NO indication that Nas is leaving.

The media would love to dance on our grave if Nas was leaving, so right now there is no indication he is leaving, because if there was, we would know about it from the vultures trying to break the story first.

For all those saying that if he was staying he would have signed by now...well some history says that. But there has been other cases of players re-signing in late August, even late September - namely Dustin Martin and Jordan De Goey.

Why would Nas re-sign now as his value continues to go up and up? Why not wait until after the season to re-sign if you are going to get your one huge pay day?

I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but it's quite plausible - and more of a chance that this is happening than him leaving, in my opinion.

It does disappoint me a little if Nas is trying to squeeze every dollar out - and despite those blaming his agent - the player is also culpable. But it will set him up for life no matter what happens.

When I think of Nas' future, I think of this quote spoken after the Melbourne game in Alice Springs. Things can change, so he might have changed his mind. But this wasn't a man leaving the St Kilda football club when he spoke these words.

Chins up.

"I am happy playing here. I've got great relationships with the boys. I love Ross, I love all the coaching staff. I want to be part of something special here at St Kilda," Wanganeen-Milera told AFL.com.au after passing a SKAT5 test at TIO Traeger Park on Sunday night.

"This is obviously a step towards it. We've got a good young crew. We are all self-driven and want to be the best Saints ever. That's what we are striving for. We know there are going to be ups and downs. We just want to keep sticking at it and getting to work.

"Obviously the media talks, so we just try and concentrate on getting to work on building out our future. I try and let my footy do the talking and try and avoid the stuff. My manager is back in Adelaide so we will talk over there."

Source: https://www.saints.com.au/news/1797...r-happy-at-saints-as-decision-on-future-looms

except there is an indication he is going. its round 21 and he hasnt signed. thats a huge indicator

 

[phantom13]

I get the stress and frustration but there is still NO indication that Nas is leaving.

The media would love to dance on our grave if Nas was leaving, so right now there is no indication he is leaving, because if there was, we would know about it from the vultures trying to break the story first.

For all those saying that if he was staying he would have signed by now...well some history says that. But there has been other cases of players re-signing in late August, even late September - namely Dustin Martin and Jordan De Goey.

Why would Nas re-sign now as his value continues to go up and up? Why not wait until after the season to re-sign if you are going to get your one huge pay day?

I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but it's quite plausible - and more of a chance that this is happening than him leaving, in my opinion.

It does disappoint me a little if Nas is trying to squeeze every dollar out - and despite those blaming his agent - the player is also culpable. But it will set him up for life no matter what happens.

When I think of Nas' future, I think of this quote spoken after the Melbourne game in Alice Springs. Things can change, so he might have changed his mind. But this wasn't a man leaving the St Kilda football club when he spoke these words.

Chins up.

"I am happy playing here. I've got great relationships with the boys. I love Ross, I love all the coaching staff. I want to be part of something special here at St Kilda," Wanganeen-Milera told AFL.com.au after passing a SKAT5 test at TIO Traeger Park on Sunday night.

"This is obviously a step towards it. We've got a good young crew. We are all self-driven and want to be the best Saints ever. That's what we are striving for. We know there are going to be ups and downs. We just want to keep sticking at it and getting to work.

"Obviously the media talks, so we just try and concentrate on getting to work on building out our future. I try and let my footy do the talking and try and avoid the stuff. My manager is back in Adelaide so we will talk over there."

Source: https://www.saints.com.au/news/1797...r-happy-at-saints-as-decision-on-future-looms

Ill preface this by saying i have no idea either way, im guessing like everyone else BUT...

The time of year, the fact he didnt sign after Sunday (when his value and the good vibes will never be higher) the lure of home and all the noise would all be considered indicators that hes more likely to go than stay at this point.

I tend to live by the "whatever will be will be" and i believe the club admin would be doing everything they can to keep him but its fantasy to suggest theres no indicators hes leaving, all the relevant data points would indicate hes leaving, its just none of them are concrete (just as none that hes staying are).

 

[austinnn]

Stays

 

[thekizzler]

except there is an indication he is going. its round 21 and he hasnt signed. thats a huge indicator

It's not. Why sign if your value continues to rise?

Maybe he geniuinely is torn?

I'm positive about the situation until I'm given a reason not to be.

That hasn't come yet.

And if there was a significant chance he was leaving at this stage, the media noise would be coming about us being f*****.

That hasn't come yet either.

 

[phantom13]

We can though. If he was contracted, then we would be in a much stronger position. If we're being pragmatic and not emotional, a player or two and Port's two picks is the best we could expect.

Nas could walk and ask for a 5 mil, 2 year deal and he'd be snapped up by WC, to be traded to Port next year. We can't pay that money unless we trade out several senior players (or abandon the TDK pursuit which doesn't seem likely).

We're up shit creek with a very flimsy paddle. We're going to have to make the best of a bad situation

If he leaves we will get unders, the reality is short of Butters there is nothing Port have (or Adelaide for that matter) that would be sufficient.

The PSD isnt an option, id wager my house he would sign with us post trade period before hed walk into the PSD. West Coast would take him even if its just to buy draft picks but we still wont get fair value.

We shouldnt allow ourselves to be ****ed over but we also have to have a degree of pragmatism about what we can get back.

If Port just throw their two picks and Berry or Bergman i hope we say no personally. Make Williams sell either option to his client then.

 

[Lightsxo]

This entire rigmarole is eerily reminiscent of the Battle scenario.

The club confident all year we’ll get him to re-sign but it keeps dragging on.

For everyone’s sanity, assume he’s gone and be pleasantly surprised if he stays.

 

[phantom13]

It's not. Why sign if your value continues to rise?

Maybe he geniuinely is torn?

I'm positive about the situation until I'm given a reason not to be.

That hasn't come yet.

And if there was a significant chance he was leaving at this stage, the media noise would be coming about us being f*****.

That hasn't come yet either.

His value isnt getting higher than it was Sunday night. Even if he did that for the next 5 weeks it wont raise his value, its already literally the highest point possible.

Im all for positivity if that suits you but its naive to suggest there are NO indicators hes leaving.

There is no firm decision, theres no announcement (noting neiter would actually be able to be leaked just yet) but there are alllllll sorts of indicators.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Pretty amazing really that the word hasn't got out with all those shifty little f#ckers sneakin' and sniffin' around

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

I hate that we've played Nas into elite superstar form, we could have had a future first for him but now we have to settle for bergman and butters

 

[SainterinSydney]

Stays

 

[Significant]

This simply cannot be the return for Nas. It's not enough.

And there is no world that Aleer is a first round pick. Out of contract. $750k is chump change. Third rounder or GTFO.

 

[aussierulesrules]

The Box re-signing is underrated as he is a WA boy and WA players tend to have the biggest pull back home.

Yep, this is a terrific result, kicking aside he’s got a hell of a lot going for him as an inside bull who can run, and you’d imagine that West Coast would have been in his ear about going home.

Their inside guy on here said they were going to take him in the 30’s if they’d been able to get a pick trade done.

And in their equivalent trade thread on their board they’ve been discussing trying to get him and Collard back home.

 

[Holy Hunter Clark]

Loved box since I was about 13.

Predates Hugh being born by 20 odd years but that’s not relevant

What year did Megan Fox appear in Transformers again?

 

[thekizzler]

Ill preface this by saying i have no idea either way, im guessing like everyone else BUT...

The time of year, the fact he didnt sign after Sunday (when his value and the good vibes will never be higher) the lure of home and all the noise would all be considered indicators that hes more likely to go than stay at this point.

I tend to live by the "whatever will be will be" and i believe the club admin would be doing everything they can to keep him but its fantasy to suggest theres no indicators hes leaving, all the relevant data points would indicate hes leaving, its just none of them are concrete (just as none that hes staying are).

I get what you're saying.

And he very well could leave.

But I choose to believe certain things such as his performances, media noise, previous quotes, lack of capital Port have, appearances such as riding on the coach's shoulders and maybe even a little bit of Tony74 override are stronger than any other factor. Just my opinion.

We can debate the meaning of 'indication' and 'indicators' all day (which is where the point of contention is) - but I don't consider the fact he still hasn't re-signed yet as an indicator when there are other cases of late sign ons. To me, it makes no sense for a player to sign early if their value is rising. And I expect we will see more and more players doing this in the future also.

The indicators to me that he is gone are:

• Media noise
• Player performance
• General noise
• Teammates/coach body language

If one of these turned, then I would seriously be starting to worry. At any minute they could turn. But it hasn't happened yet and I choose to be positive until there is an actual reason for me to be negative. That sounds like a good way to live life. That isn't directed at you personally, but others.

 

[SainterinSydney]

I get what you're saying.

And he very well could leave.

But I choose to believe certain things such as his performances, media noise, previous quotes, lack of capital Port have, appearances such as riding on the coach's shoulders and maybe even a little bit of Tony74 override are stronger than any other factor. Just my opinion.

We can debate the meaning of 'indication' and 'indicators' all day (which is where the point of contention is) - but I don't consider the fact he still hasn't re-signed yet as an indicator when there are other cases of late sign ons. To me, it makes no sense for a player to sign early if their value is rising. And I expect we will see more and more players doing this in the future also.

The indicators to me that he is gone are:

• Media noise
• Player performance
• General noise
• Teammates/coach body language

If one of these turned, then I would seriously be starting to worry. At any minute they could turn. But it hasn't happened yet and I choose to be positive until there is an actual reason for me to be negative. That sounds like a good way to live life. That isn't directed at you personally, but others.

Don't forget, Dusty went right down to the wire and only signed 31 August.

Dusty mega-deal done: Superstar a Tiger for life

Tigers re-sign Brownlow favourite after Roos drop out of the race

www.afl.com.au

 

[Leap of Faith]

This simply cannot be the return for Nas. It's not enough.

Nowhere near it

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

why would Nas allow his agent to make the club that's developed him to this level make it look like shit?

Not all players are clued on stuff outside of playing footy.

Nas seems like the sort who just plays footy and leaves it to the mananger