List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[akaifu]

Only thing is worpel leaves so they will wanna keep mckenzie

Hasn't it been reported by multiple sources that Worpel is more likely to stay?

 

[heynow85]

Death in Ben Williams wife’s family don’t expect any news any time soon.

 

[SainterinSydney]

We see your 2 million and raise you.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Gone

He plays for Melbourne, not Saints.

 

[Holy Hunter Clark]

I need tony74 to post more then ever

 

[Minga]

Why are we talking about Cam Mackenzie?

Is the only link that he should’ve been our NGA player if not for the afl shafting us, or is there something material to him being discussed?

 

[Diehard Saint]

The club should be doing its hardest to convince any player, not just Nas that this is the place to be. Regardless of home state.

You think they’re not?

You don’t think NAS and manager would have talked to the SA clubs with or without St Kilda’s blessing?

I’ll address both my questions with the same answer -
of course they would have.

 

[Joffaboy]

But without the high production. He looks like a very vanilla player to me. I know he's young and all that but I'm not seeing it yet.

Can you imagine the crap rewound be getting from our supporters on here, especially if we didn't land Pou.
Billings 2.0, another bad call etc etc

 

[Diehard Saint]

If you have a player who has a pull to go home you don’t sit there and hold a gun to his head because the first chance he gets, he’s going to run. If nas is considering playing in SA, he’s going to talk to them with or without our encouragement.

We’ve treated Nas like an adult, the actions of Ross, the coaches and the club each and every day are the selling point as to why he and our other out of contract players will stay.

The club are confident in their actions, and that they’ve left no stone unturned. Back it in, and IF he or another leaves, understand it’s because that’s what they want.

100%

 

[stavro#4]

May as well be now then if that's the case. Why prolong it? We aint winning a flag in the next 2 years.

Because we might just convince the guy that the following 6 years after 2027 are worth sticking around for.

 

[Nutsngum]

Imagine the heart attacks this forum would have had if it existed back when Nicky Winmar was taking personal time and was always on the cusp of going back west. Never did (no "western bulldogs" jokes plz)

 

[phantom13]

Like clock-work; the weekly 48 hour 'Sky if falling' window has opened.

Think its more speculation on the worst case scenario than stating the worst case scenario is happening.

 

[Diehard Saint]

And that is fine. What i would be concerned with is a club encouraging a player to talk to other clubs.

Weren't we in a similar situation last year? Didn't we encourage some to look at other avenues.

Yes. Those we didn’t mind leaving.
NAS is completely different - of course he is going to talk to the SA clubs.
Doesn’t mean we’re encouraging him to go.
The difference is absolutely clear.

 

[thekizzler]

Why are we talking about Cam Mackenzie?

Is the only link that he should’ve been our NGA player if not for the afl shafting us, or is there something material to him being discussed?

It is being reported that he is disgruntled by the lack of midfield time at Hawthorn.

Especially with Will Day to return as well.

 

[Diehard Saint]

SOS seems like the old fashioned hard man type negotiator who doesn't move much.

Was he the guy who got Crouch?
I can’t remember, but whoever it was didn’t budge and inch. And we got our man.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Like clock-work; the weekly 48 hour 'Sky if falling' window has opened.

Largely due to the media - it IS the biggest story going around at the moment.

 

[Parkysp]

It's all over the shop, the article refers to as in different places as the "St Kilda has been named as the most difficult club to deal with by player managers surveyed", "Saints the hardest club to do business with" and "St Kilda worst team to deal with".

Which begs the question - what was the actual question? Being the hardest to deal with is not necessarily the most difficult, nor the worst. In fact being hard to deal with could be a good thing depending on what exactly makes us "hard", a difficulty listed in negotiations some clubs are guilty of is “attempts for clubs to deal directly with a player”.

Anyone who wants to report on such data or take it at face value needs to watch this:

All other recruiters: "Give us NAS for a 2nd round pick"
Us: "No"
All other recruiters:"They're a bunch of miserable, difficult, pricks to work with".

How close did I get?

 

[gringo2011]

You’re caught up with him signing this contract. The reality is that it seems it’s going to be a 2 year deal.

I will say my opinion is also that…

Had Bergman not re-signed
Had port retained their FRP this year (currently 8) + Joe Berry.

I reckon the landscape would be pretty different and we could be seeing a deal done this year.

Kicking the can 2 years down the road represents our current best path forward. A lot can change in a few months let alone 2 years. You want to show that his best interests are also our best interests.

The club don’t want Nasiah for 2 more years. They want him for an entire career. You let him do what he needs now, you get your 2 years and you just have given yourself some breathing room to attempt to make it impossible for him to walk away in a few years time - when he could be very settled off the field and we could be flying on it.

You encourage him to do what he needs now to feel comfortable enough to say this is where I want to be and the fact Port aren’t in an asset position to make this a straight forward deal today helps us and wouldn’t be lost on his management.

2 years is a massively better deal. It means Tassie with picks galore and potentially us having the best player in the comp coinciding. Port and the Crows will need to be very active collecting picks and players for a deal to better it. Could also see us better and them doing worse and him wanting to stay. Also harder and harder to go home the longer you stay away too.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Hasn't it been reported by multiple sources that Worpel is more likely to stay?

 

[gringo2011]

Like clock-work; the weekly 48 hour 'Sky if falling' window has opened.

And like every week we have nothing to hold on to. Shit performance, players wanting out, no signings and a bleak long rebuild staring us in the faces. Even all our promising kids are no guarantee to make it and usually take 5 years to peak. It's getting ****ing tiring waiting for something to happen.

We have gone backwards every year of Lyon's tenure and likely to again the way it's all panning out. If we don't challenge while we still have Sinclair, Wilkie etc then we are back further again unless all of the kids end up coming on at an above average level.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Was he the guy who got Crouch?
I can’t remember, but whoever it was didn’t budge and inch. And we got our man.

Nah - the bloke who got Crouch was moved on by the Saints and is now on the board at Adelaide FC.

 

[Sir Owens]

Think its more speculation on the worst case scenario than stating the worst case scenario is happening.

God forbid people talk about trade scenarios in the list management thread.

 

[MordySaint]

We see your 2 million and raise you.

They must be reading BF, some of us have been asking the club to up their offer for weeks.

If we want to keep him, it will need a 2 in front of it.

2 years will see him to free agency, which will give us much more options.

Think we are being shortsighted.

 

[westernsainter]

And like every week we have nothing to hold on to. Shit performance, players wanting out, no signings and a bleak long rebuild staring us in the faces. Even all our promising kids are no guarantee to make it and usually take 5 years to peak. It's getting ****ing tiring waiting for something to happen.

We have gone backwards every year of Lyon's tenure and likely to again the way it's all panning out. If we don't challenge while we still have Sinclair, Wilkie etc then we are back further again unless all of the kids end up coming on at an above average level.

This really does sum it up for me. If Nas goes I can't see myself being particularly invested next year.

The strange thing is our supporters have become a bunch of happy clappers who won't hear any criticism of our list or coach and accept mediocre players week in and week out. People seem excited that Dow might come into the team this week! Find me a single Carlton supporter that has thought about him once since he got off their list and ditto for Stocker.

Most of our fans seem to massively overrate the young guys who are coming through and ignore the massive warning signs flashing in our faces. We still go on about how good Hastie and Wilson are going to be when stacks of blokes from that draft class have cemented themselves in 22's throughout the league who aren't languishing in the bottom four.

Once Wilkie, Sinclair and Marshall start to regress if we don't have guys like Nas to fall back on, we are absolutely nowhere. Steele is already coming off the boil a bit having played a stack of physical football over the last ten years and I have no idea what the plan is to replace him and Macrae when he goes.

The worst part is I can't even really blame him for leaving if he does choose to go and I don't think I'll hold much ill will towards him. We've shown nothing in over a decade to suggest things are trending in any kind of a positive direction.

 

[gringo2011]

Was he the guy who got Crouch?
I can’t remember, but whoever it was didn’t budge and inch. And we got our man.

That was before his time. Think that could have been Libba.