List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Were we better in 2023 or 2025?

95…

 

[TENACIOUS]

What’s the knock on Fahey (GWS) and Delean (FREO) both delisted.

Both have attributes and play positions we are looking for.

 

[Stamos]

These are never popular:

Carlton: Walter, Pick 6, Pick 14 and Flanders
Suns: Curnow, TDK Pick, JSOS Pick

Probably because the Suns are never going to give up that many points this year…

 

[JTTheKing]

When is your standup routine getting to Bunbury? Cripps butchers the ball as badly as the rest of the team a lot of the time. Ollie had time and space in the centre of the ground and Cripps kicked it long and high into the forward line and turned it over.

Cripps was our best ball user at one point late this year statistically.

Doesn’t say a lot, but he certainly uses it better than Hollands.

 

[TENACIOUS]

These are never easy or popular:

Carlton: Walter, Pick 6 and Flanders and/or Budarick
Suns: Curnow, TDK Pick

Lower Level Trades:
Chesser, Khamis, Reidy

Hail Mary:
Adelaide: Pick 6
Carlton: Rachele

Inquire About:
Gothard
Gruzewsk

DFA:
Blight (KPD), Fahey (W-HB) & Delean (SF)

All fit our up and coming age profile.

We’d have $3m+ in cap space, use it to pay down some of our top earners in 2026.

Then attack FA and Trade Period in 2026-27

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Cripps was our best ball user at one point late this year statistically.

Doesn’t say a lot, but he certainly uses it better than Hollands.

Cripps has had kicking issues in the past but when he gets it in space he generally hits his target these days. I like how he lowers his eyes kicking into the forward line. Most of our players take the coward option of just bombing it high and long.

His stats will always show low DE% because most of his possessions are inside a pack / with his tagger hanging off him.

Hollands is still young enough. He could easily come good - but right now he's getting done for holding the ball because he's not strong enough physically, missing tackles for the same reason and not getting enough of the ball (19 avg). On top of that he's giving up 2 - 6 clangers most weeks and they really are bad ones where he's under no pressure with plenty of options. It just saps the team's momentum.

 

[Blue By Blood]

Fahey is absolutely one we should be looking at especially now that he would be a DFA.
Long kick, good speed, takes the game on and creates. Fell behind a log jam of quality rebounders at GWS.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Cripps has had kicking issues in the past but when he gets it in space he generally hits his target these days. I like how he lowers his eyes kicking into the forward line. Most of our players take the coward option of just bombing it high and long.

His stats will always show low DE% because most of his possessions are inside a pack / with his tagger hanging off him.

Hollands is still young enough. He could easily come good - but right now he's getting done for holding the ball because he's not strong enough physically, missing tackles for the same reason and not getting enough of the ball (19 avg). On top of that he's giving up 2 - 6 clangers most weeks and they really are bad ones where he's under no pressure with plenty of options. It just saps the team's momentum.

Agree with Ollie holding onto the ball a tad too long at times, if his teammates could manage to put on more of the required blocks for each other, then Ollie along with the entire team would benefit immensely…

His kicking has improved, agree though it still requires more work, sometimes it’s execution sometimes it’s decision based, time to play him wing/foward…

 

[mrb1]

How do Gold Coast match their bids if they’re losing over 1000 points on this trade?

It doesn't. Gold Coast will never give up Pick 6 unless they get more points on return. They need the points for their academy players.

 

[King Cripps]

Think Jed Walter is carrying to much weight but still reckon he will be a gun, I feel the player that I would almost do a straight swap with Charlie would be Bailey Humphrey. He is the sort of player that we have never had at Carlton, a De Goey , Dustin Martin type that explosive beast that can turn a game in a quarty

 

[Juice030103]

Think Jed Walter is carrying to much weight but still reckon he will be a gun, I feel the player that I would almost do a straight swap with Charlie would be Bailey Humphrey. He is the sort of player that we have never had at Carlton, a De Goey , Dustin Martin type that explosive beast that can turn a game in a quarty

They won’t trade him but he would be the dream

Total gun still underrated I feel. One year he will have a Brownlow like season out of no where

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Humphrey is a deadset gun and will have many of those seasons you talk about.

He’s dedicating his career/life to his best mate and his best mates family, he will absolutely get the best out of himself whenever he steps onto the field.

Dimma will not trade him under any circumstances.

 

[GT619]

Think Jed Walter is carrying to much weight but still reckon he will be a gun, I feel the player that I would almost do a straight swap with Charlie would be Bailey Humphrey. He is the sort of player that we have never had at Carlton, a De Goey , Dustin Martin type that explosive beast that can turn a game in a quarty

but he's a bear he doesn't talk

 

[Blue__Balls]

Buku ... all sizzle no steak ... not unlike CJ
What Carlton doesn't need is soft outside Players who lack toughness and scream 'kick it to me'
We need tough ball getters ... not list cloggers. Ok Players are just OK ... not good enough unless folks are happy with Carlton being OK. I'm expecting better than mediocrity. I'll be disappointed if Carlton recruits receivers and not feisty ball getters.
Don't waste the money ... aim higher or save for someone better.
No bargain bin types ... steak .. not sizzle

Couldn't disagree more.

Carlton at the moment is all steak, no sizzle. That's one of our major issues. We've got a bunch of ball getters who then specialise in giving the ball back.

 

[Aphrodite]

UltraEgo QUIT the emoji react trolling!

 

[katmanblue]

How do Gold Coast match their bids if they’re losing over 1000 points on this trade?

1000 points for Curnow ain't bad

 

[Stamos]

1000 points for Curnow ain't bad

Sure, but if they're going to trade for Charlie, they'll find a way that doesn't involve them giving up so many 25 points.

 

[Faz 2000]

Couldn't disagree more.

Carlton at the moment is all steak, no sizzle. That's one of our major issues. We've got a bunch of ball getters who then specialise in giving the ball back.

I think this is exactly right. We have historically grossly under-valued flare, explosiveness, creativity and even arrogance. It's left us with the blandest bunch of unskilled blue-collar pluggers in the comp. We're honest and tough, sure, but not dangerous.

To pick a guy who personifies it.... George Hewett is an excellent player. He isn't "the problem". But more George Hewett is DEFINITELY not the answer.

 

[BlueJet]

Football isn't really like any other "normal" industry.

If Curnow's contract was indeed front loaded, we could pay him his yearly salary and play him in the VFL 2nds.

This would benefit us by not having to play against him and his new team, which would potentially mean the proposed destination club doesn't win as many games.

And besides, there are millions of unhappy employees in Australia.

We'd be better off (if he does want to leave), to get his wage off the books & acquire some assets that'll actually help carry us forward.
Stashing him in the 2s essentially wastes both his time and ours, ensuring we carry dead money in the cap which would certainly hamstring us.
I can't imagine the PA or agents would be overly impressed, either.

 

[BlueJet]

Hard to have talent coming in this year when the trade period isn't open for another 4 weeks

How the heck can anyone disagree with this? Lol...

 

[SurreyBlue]

We'd be better off (if he does want to leave), to get his wage off the books & acquire some assets that'll actually help carry us forward.
Stashing him in the 2s essentially wastes both his time and ours, ensuring we carry dead money in the cap which would certainly hamstring us.
I can't imagine the PA or agents would be overly impressed, either.

No one gets stashed anywhere.
Charlie is like any other player on the list. They play within the rules, structure and game plan setup.
If they don’t, they go back to the VFL, until they learn to adhere.
Problem is, it seems we never made all the players follow the same rules.
Also, the PA and agents wouldn’t have a leg to stand on, except keep looking for trades for said player.

 

[BlueJet]

No one gets stashed anywhere.
Charlie is like any other player on the list. They play within the rules, structure and game plan setup.
If they don’t, they go back to the VFL, until they learn to adhere.
Problem is, it seems we never made all the players follow the same rules.
Also, the PA and agents wouldn’t have a leg to stand on, except keep looking for trades for said player.

Read the post that I responded to.
I don't disagree with the rest of your post.

 

[katmanblue]

We'd be better off (if he does want to leave), to get his wage off the books & acquire some assets that'll actually help carry us forward.
Stashing him in the 2s essentially wastes both his time and ours, ensuring we carry dead money in the cap which would certainly hamstring us.
I can't imagine the PA or agents would be overly impressed, either.

Doing that would be more about sending a message to player managers and other teams, that we won't be bullied.

You take a loss on this while making sure that no one else tries any other shenanigans in future.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Doing that would be more about sending a message to player managers and other teams, that we won't be bullied.

You take a loss on this while making sure that no one else tries any other shenanigans in future.

Don't think it's frequent enough occurrence that there'd be any value in that for us.

For mine, if we don't get a good enough deal to trade him, we just have a quiet word with Charlie about whether he thinks his manager handled the offseason in a way that maximised Charlie's chances of a positive outcome, and in a way that shielded him from potential fallout. He can draw his own conclusions from that and I suspect he'd be shopping for a new manager shortly thereafter. Give him Petracca's number if he wants to compare notes.

 

[zeeCFC]

What's the deal with Ollie Henry being told to look elsewhere? Noting I'm weary of any player with talent that Geelong actually discards.... he may have killed someone, because they usually throw their arms around their own