List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[sweethoney]

Who?

Martin

 

[Juddrockz]

Martin

Oh,you meant Jack not Jake?
Interesting all the same.

 

[sweethoney]

Oh,you meant Jack not Jake?
Interesting all the same.

My phone always does that

 

[Michael Jezz]

Jiath is another poor kick

 

[The Defender]

Jiath is another poor kick

Average don’t want him.

 

[Kruezing]

Why would Charlie be at the game tonight sitting next to his Manager,doesn't he have mates??? A business meeting i suspect with the hand Baggers?

Curnow for Jack Martin and a first rounder

 

[katmanblue]

Why would Charlie be at the game tonight sitting next to his Manager,doesn't he have mates??? A business meeting i suspect with the hand Baggers?

I'm sure there's dozen of player from various teams there tonight. Why wouldn't he be there with free tickets?

 

[KnaveyBlue]

So. Who's excited about CJ?

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Jiath is another poor kick

Jeez he’s lost a lot of his power, just doesn’t look like the athlete he once was.

 

[seysearles]

When are you guys coming to pick CJ up?

 

[JJBagger]

Good to see Jiath is already a whipping boy despite yet to even be on our list. Great job Carlton fans

 

[Worm4]

Jiath is another poor kick

He will fit right in with our current group. Has plenty of mates with similar skills, or lack thereof

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Jiath is another poor kick

TBH playing sub does him no favours. He is to slow to adapt to the game.

Far better than the sub position allows him to show.

 

[TeamofRiddles]

Flynn Young way better than CJ. Give him a contract before using a list spot on CJ

 

[swuzzlebubble]

When are you guys coming to pick CJ up?

Where has the Mitch Lewis to Melbourne talk come from? Any reason we can't get in on that?

 

[Bfevola]

Those bagging CJ. Consider this. You are a sub for finals. You get to play for about a qtr. You need time to settle into a hot fast paced final. Yes it’s a prelim, it’s hot and heavy. You are out of favour as best 22. You know your time’s possibly up at that club and don’t want to get injured to ruin your chances of getting to another team. And you possibly want to impress to play in a granny. In a short space of time.

So yes you will be urgent which in turn you get fumbly and you don’t think clearly as you are rushing. Geelong coming at you like a freight train.

CJ is someone we can use to run the ball out of our backline. Gives us some yardage. He is athletic and a big body.

Give me a break by calling him shit. Be realistic.

 

[JJBagger]

Flynn Young way better than CJ. Give him a contract before using a list spot on CJ

They play different roles, for one. CJ had a shocking game, but Young is yet to have any level of impact against competition half as good as Geelong

 

[TheThunderboltKid]

They play different roles, for one. CJ had a shocking game, but Young is yet to have any level of impact against competition half as good as Geelong

He didn't have a shocking game, he played one quarter

 

[btdg]

I went to the game last night.

CJ's confidence is shot to pieces. He's just mentally stuffed at Hawthorn right now.

Played on the wing and had a full half of footy, and I see the appeal for him in that role. He is insanely fast and athletic, and has ok defensive attributes. I think he could (and probably will) be an excellent addition for a team, and we desperately need mature bodies. Hawthorn will give him away too, which is nice, because we have no trade capital.

I'm not sure the wing is the spot for CJ, though. We know that Voss likes his wing players to push back deep defensively, and run approximately 5000km every game and while he can do the running part, his reliability isn't as good as you would like. I don't think it sets him up for success.

His safest role is just as an attacking back pocket. Has the odd turnover but would give us a second running player alongside Saad, and a bit more speed in the backline.

I also think he could be a great defensive forward, a la Fogarty. He is athletic enough to match intercept defenders in the air, he's quick enough to have running half backs hear footsteps and start second guessing themselves, he runs downhill the other way well and creates something out of nothing every so often

Would be a good addition to the list, anyway. We need 6-7 mature bodies, and getting CJ and Khamis and Chesser at least gives Voss options, which he didn't have this year.

 

[btdg]

Just another note from being at the game last night - I'm just really, really sad about how badly our list management team botched the 2024 off season

You simply need to have 30-odd mature, big bodied players who can run around on a footy field to be competitive, to cover injuries, etc.

Losing Marchbank, Cuningham, Kennedy, Owies, Martin and Carroll all at once, and bringing in only Haynes, just crushed our 2025 season before it started.

Marchbank and Cuningham may have been at the end of their run, unfortunately -injuries too great to overcome. Ok, fine - in that case, we needed Haynes, and we absolutely needed to keep everyone else, and it's set us up for a looming disaster. It was ego-driven and totally unnecessary.

Looking at how Geelong have found a role for Martin is a case in point - they've managed him half the year, and he still doesn't play more than 65% game time, and was the sub yesterday.... and he's an absolute luxury in that role, and we should have done the same. Would he be the most over-qualified sub in the sport? Yep, and that's why Geelong will win the premiership.

To then let go Kennedy and Owies on top - they were every game players, and we simply didn't have the cover. Our 2025 season was torched in that moment.

We're in a similar boat now. Docherty, Silvagni, TDK, Cincotta and probably E Hollands are gone? We're talking 11x mature bodies in two years at a minimum? That HAS to be our starting point - how are we replacing these guys?

If we don't replace them AND keep everyone else, we're going to finish bottom 4 next year, and once again do so with an aging list, and head straight into heavy, deep rebuild territory again...

Curnow - only goes if he brings us back SIX players who can fill out our squad next year. I'm serious. Gold Coast could do that and not even blink. But why else are we giving away a quality player? For two late first round draft picks and a single role player? You might as well set the club on fire if we do that.

Then I genuinely think we should be bringing in every cheap 26 year old who is a 'solid' AFL best 30 player we can. Khamis? Yep. Jiath? Yep. Chesser? Sure. That bog ordinary Freo ruckman? Yep. We're halfway there now - we need at least 4 more. Adelaide just delisted Lachlan Murphy

4

Lachlan Murphy

Age

27

Ht

178cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.8

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

G

1.0

4star

- bring him in. Jayden Stevenson? Worth a train on spot (I know we have a 'no dickheads' policy, but that means we are allowed one, and we're getting rid of Hollands). I'd bring in Jacob Koschitzke, Jacob Blight, a few from the top 4 yet to be delisted as well.

Give Voss a few tools to play with, and try to copy the Collingwood/Geelong approach, which for those who haven't been paying attention is 'run 35 deep with mature, veteran players, get everyone healthy for the finals, then let a fit Dangerfield/Cameron/Smith cook' (as a contrast to our approach, which has been 'grind Cripps/Curnow/Weitering/Walsh into a fine paste by making them play 105% game time every week, get everyone's hopes up mid-season, then watch the team slowly fall apart in August...)

 

[SurreyBlue]

Good to see Jiath is already a whipping boy despite yet to even be on our list. Great job Carlton fans

What are you here? These forums are for all to talk about ‘their teams’ - good or bad, incl. off and on field.
All you do is critique posters who have a view that doesn’t align to yours!!!

 

[JJBagger]

What are you here? These forums are for all to talk about ‘their teams’ - good or bad, incl. off and on field.
All you do is critique posters who have a view that doesn’t align to yours!!!

Not really. I critique those who seem to think that shitting on our players is okay because “you have to have a balanced discussion”. The extremes so many people go to to show how much they care because they’re “willing to be so critical”. It’s rubbish. No wonder players don’t want to come to our club

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Those bagging CJ. Consider this. You are a sub for finals. You get to play for about a qtr. You need time to settle into a hot fast paced final. Yes it’s a prelim, it’s hot and heavy. You are out of favour as best 22. You know your time’s possibly up at that club and don’t want to get injured to ruin your chances of getting to another team. And you possibly want to impress to play in a granny. In a short space of time.

So yes you will be urgent which in turn you get fumbly and you don’t think clearly as you are rushing. Geelong coming at you like a freight train.

CJ is someone we can use to run the ball out of our backline. Gives us some yardage. He is athletic and a big body.

Give me a break by calling him shit. Be realistic.

He is contracted though isn't he? What would you be happy to part with to get him?

I wouldn't want to be giving up the Lions 2nd rounder for him and def no future picks unless the Hawks are happy with a F4 (which they won't)

 

[SurreyBlue]

Not really. I critique those who seem to think that shitting on our players is okay because “you have to have a balanced discussion”. The extremes so many people go to to show how much they care because they’re “willing to be so critical”. It’s rubbish. No wonder players don’t want to come to our club

That is the funniest statement I’ve seen yet.
I won’t answer the reason I believe players don’t want to come and players want to leave - but it’s not the supporters. Nothing to do with the general public.

 

[Shambolic]

I agree with btdg here but think about it slightly differently in terms of our top 10-12 players as a core, and we lost a few of them in Kennedy and Newman before the season started. It meant we were behind. Then Smith goes down.... and

Bobs your uncle, we bring in 9 kids out of 10 new players. 9 kids. Lists dont work with 9 kids and then we needed them to play seniors..... like a lot. So it's all fallen apart this year.

Like many of us last year we were angry about 3-4 slots on the list always out to injured players, players who'd give us a few games a year. On that basis as much as I liked Marchy as a player and CUninghams 1 great game, they needed to go.