List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[DirtyLeeds]

If Charlie wants out why wouldn’t we speak to West Coast, pick 2 is a good starting point. Why are we in the business of making teams stronger?
Some nice surf beaches in WA mate.

Yeah but Margaret River is about 300 K's from Perth, and their 'local' beaches are no better than the Peninsula's back beaches. If it's surf then it's Goldie, Sydney, Surf Coast in that order. From an old time surfer

 

[LeeCarvallo]

Coming in peace,

Just given that the club has said Walter and Read aren't going to be in discussion (im aware this can change but hypothetically lets pretend the club is telling the truth), were you to move Curnow, as supporters would Flanders + 6 be of interest?

or Petracca and 12?

Flanders + Davies + 12?

Rogers + 6?

Davies + 6 + F1?

this isn't a hypothetical 'what would the club accept', but more of a 'as supporters, what would you be okay with getting in return' type question

 

[Markyd]

Because the AFLPA took all the benefits of free agency but kept the players ability to veto any trade

AFL have been slowly copying the NFL model, longer contracts, free agency, draft, future pick trading, only a a matter of time before choice is off the table.

 

[We may never win again]

Coming in peace,

Just given that the club has said Walter and Read aren't going to be in discussion (im aware this can change but hypothetically lets pretend the club is telling the truth), were you to move Curnow, as supporters would Flanders + 6 be of interest?

or Petracca and 12?

Flanders + Davies + 12?

Rogers + 6?

Davies + 6 + F1?

this isn't a hypothetical 'what would the club accept', but more of a 'as supporters, what would you be okay with getting in return' type question

Personally I wouldn’t let Charlie go for any of those deals

 

[Big Delut]

Coming in peace,

Just given that the club has said Walter and Read aren't going to be in discussion (im aware this can change but hypothetically lets pretend the club is telling the truth), were you to move Curnow, as supporters would Flanders + 6 be of interest?

or Petracca and 12?

Flanders + Davies + 12?

Rogers + 6?

Davies + 6 + F1?

this isn't a hypothetical 'what would the club accept', but more of a 'as supporters, what would you be okay with getting in return' type question

We don't have a need for more players without pace or much skill. Furthermore this years draft is poor so 2025 picks are of little value outside your club which needs to hold onto them to match bids.

You'd need to let someone go with true value like Humphrey.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Coming in peace,

Just given that the club has said Walter and Read aren't going to be in discussion (im aware this can change but hypothetically lets pretend the club is telling the truth), were you to move Curnow, as supporters would Flanders + 6 be of interest?

or Petracca and 12?

Flanders + Davies + 12?

Rogers + 6?

Davies + 6 + F1?

this isn't a hypothetical 'what would the club accept', but more of a 'as supporters, what would you be okay with getting in return' type question

My position would be we want two of these on the table

• Walter
• Humphrey
• Ballard

Then work the rest out depending which two are available.

 

[Coona Blues]

Hey Coona Blues - I know you watch more VFL than I do.

how far off the mark is Lloyd Johnston? Was looking promising last year and couldn't crack their side this year.

Watch our blokes and some games where draft prospects have a run. Nothing to report mate.

IMO we need players with obvious upside and a couple of promising kids. Not every DFA out there.

Can see logic in Reidy, absolutely Chesser finally getting a run at it, Buku to replace Gov for mine is a good move. Not sure if we can get CJ for a budget price given he has played 19 games this year. Also I like our developing young defenders, will be “devo” if Charleson is not retained. CJ does add an extra dose of dash though.

I want us linked to a decent small forward either trade or draft.

We are certainly looking at depth ready to play. I think we have enough youngsters as good as ready, meaning it is not essential. (Very conservative)

 

[swuzzlebubble]

AFL have been slowly copying the NFL model, longer contracts, free agency, draft, future pick trading, only a a matter of time before choice is off the table.

Not sure about that because in the US sports the teams are much stronger v the players. Eg they've been known to enforce lockouts etc.
Here the clubs have little power and are reliant on the AFL to negotiate for them.

 

[Markyd]

Yeah but Margaret River is about 300 K's from Perth, and their 'local' beaches are no better than the Peninsula's back beaches. If it's surf then it's Goldie, Sydney, Surf Coast in that order. From an old time surfer

Trigg Point and Cottesloe beach are nice locations though.

 

[sweethoney]

Because the AFLPA took all the benefits of free agency but kept the players ability to veto any trade

I’ve actually noticed of all people Eddie Maguire speaking up about this a bit more lately. Thinks if you sign a 5 plus year contract and want out the club should have rights to send you to the club with the best offer trade wise.

 

[Markyd]

Not sure about that because in the US sports the teams are much stronger v the players. Eg they've been known to enforce lockouts etc.
Here the clubs have little power and are reliant on the AFL to negotiate for them.

Without strong clubs there is no AFL, tail doesn’t wag the dog. Just lost two players in free agency and another wants out under contract, my thoughts he goes where it suits us.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

I’ve actually noticed of all people Eddie Maguire speaking up about this a bit more lately. Thinks if you sign a 5 plus year contract and want out the club should have rights to send you to the club with the best offer trade wise.

Yes I think most people assume it would be used for contracted players who want to stay. But if it only applies for those who request a trade then it's reasonable. Probably also only applicable for top x% of contracts too.

 

[DirtyLeeds]

Trigg Point and Cottesloe beach are nice locations though.

Granted but that aint a surf beach when you've got the Northern Beaches (Maroubra) in Sydney, Kirra at Burliegh or even Johanna on the coast
I personally thing he'll join Danger down at Moggs

 

[Wickzki]

I’ve actually noticed of all people Eddie Maguire speaking up about this a bit more lately. Thinks if you sign a 5 plus year contract and want out the club should have rights to send you to the club with the best offer trade wise.

I like this but the AFLPA will never go for it.

Sign for the long-term and you sign away your agency.

AFL seems begging for someone to test it against employment legislation at some point.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Yeah but Margaret River is about 300 K's from Perth, and their 'local' beaches are no better than the Peninsula's back beaches. If it's surf then it's Goldie, Sydney, Surf Coast in that order. From an old time surfer

yep, Perth breaks are embarrassing...

you can fly Perth-Busselton - 45 minutes (though the sector may get shut...)

 

[My Hat]

Trading players against their will sounds great when your club is doing the offloading, but how does it look from a buyer's perspective?

Would we be happy about giving up significant picks and/or existing players to get an A-grader through the door if we knew that A-grader would really rather be somewhere else?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Coming in peace,

Just given that the club has said Walter and Read aren't going to be in discussion (im aware this can change but hypothetically lets pretend the club is telling the truth), were you to move Curnow, as supporters would Flanders + 6 be of interest?

or Petracca and 12?

Flanders + Davies + 12?

Rogers + 6?

Davies + 6 + F1?

this isn't a hypothetical 'what would the club accept', but more of a 'as supporters, what would you be okay with getting in return' type question

I think we want a gun player back, whether it comes from the Suns or via picks the Suns can offer. So potentially a 3 team trade is necessary.

From the Suns, I'd take Flanders or Ballard but in a Charlie trade, they'd still be the steak knives. 2 firsts that we can use in a trade for an established A grader would be the preference.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Coming in peace,

Just given that the club has said Walter and Read aren't going to be in discussion (im aware this can change but hypothetically lets pretend the club is telling the truth), were you to move Curnow, as supporters would Flanders + 6 be of interest?

or Petracca and 12?

Flanders + Davies + 12?

Rogers + 6?

Davies + 6 + F1?

this isn't a hypothetical 'what would the club accept', but more of a 'as supporters, what would you be okay with getting in return' type question

As others have said, wouldn't take any of those deals.

Flanders and Davies are more of the same types to what we've got in the midfield despite showing plenty as players on their own.

Someone like Humphrey would be perfect(obviously not going to be traded) because he provides a POD to our one paced midfield.

Unless it's for an absolutely insane number of draft picks I can't see it getting done unless Walter or King is involved. And there's a huge chance neither would be included in a trade.

 

[bigblueboy]

I've asked this and got shouted down.
I still reckon if Charlie had a choice of wce or stay with us he would go.
Also reckon we could put their picks to good use.

Nope.

 

[Sqotty from office works]

I've asked this and got shouted down.
I still reckon if Charlie had a choice of wce or stay with us he would go.
Also reckon we could put their picks to good use.

Charlie needs to play down back and earn some money, he's good enough and that tightens things up a bit.
It's either that or trade.
The list management team need as much time as possible to re arrange the list.

 

[gbatman]

A lot floating around regarding Curnow.

Carlton gets a good key forward is the starting point, before it's considered.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Nope.

If he'd rather stay then that's good to know for any other dealing because if we don't get a good enough offer he can stay then too.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

We aren't Geelong.

We couldn't manage Stocker, or seemingly Hollands.

Or Yarran, or Garlett and Robinson.

I think we stay in our lane here.

From my understanding he has never had any off field concerns, was simply immature and ADHD type behaviour at Collingwood rubbed a few Collingwood players the wrong way… and at North was paid highly in such a poor side didn’t handle the pressure and eventually sucked all enjoyment of the game out of him.. if he comes to us he won’t be coming with any expectation, he will know it’s his last chance and he either puts in the work or he is back playing Div 3 EFL. In his time at Fertree Gully he took a leadership role so perhaps has matured and sees the game differently. IMO I would rather chuck Jaidyn a lifeline that pluck someone untried out of the VFL.

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

From my understanding he has never had any off field concerns, was simply immature and ADHD type behaviour at Collingwood rubbed a few Collingwood players the wrong way… and at North was paid highly in such a poor side didn’t handle the pressure and eventually sucked all enjoyment of the game out of him.. if he comes to us he won’t be coming with any expectation, he will know it’s his last chance and he either puts in the work or he is back playing Div 3 EFL. In his time at Fertree Gully he took a leadership role so perhaps has matured and sees the game differently. IMO I would rather chuck Jaidyn a lifeline that pluck someone untried out of the VFL.

I appreciate the well reasoned response...but we've just shown zero capacity to rehabilitate a player of this type.

Even without the commitment queries I'm not sure he's the type we would want.

 

[branedotorg]

From my understanding he has never had any off field concerns, was simply immature and ADHD type behaviour at Collingwood rubbed a few Collingwood players the wrong way…

Got a 22 game ban for placing bets on himself and was lucky not to get done for more sports betting concerns while at Collingwood.

At North barely tried then got drunk and broke his hip doing tricks on a mountain bike in his back yard.

Culturally I can't see him ever being a professional athlete, just doesn't seem to understand the requirements.