List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[ctwenty1]

If you could do me a favour.

Walk into your workplace and announce that and let me know the response you get?

Thanks

I’m surrounded by crows and port supporters- most would agree

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I’m surrounded by crows and port supporters- most would agree

I’m just glad the club aren’t thinking Butters wins us a premiership as we won’t be trading for him

 

[Garters]

I 100% agree it's the soft / easy option to chuck it in and go elsewhere.

Carlton just put themselves in this risky position though by failing to get it together - ever.

I don't think Curnow will be going anywhere but losing him wouldn't be the end of the world either. We need to reshape the list significantly. Losing TDK, SOS, Curnow is definitely bad on paper but it gives Wright / Austin the chance to reshape this playing list into something that could actually be functional / consistent.

Totally agree, I think the outcomes of this list overhaul sit to the upside. The errors of this list build are legacy which we are all aware of, has been gone over adnauseum, and they will only be unwound via these moves. As long as we hold our line, I think our list will be in ok shape for next year.

 

[4thchicken]

Get butters and we win a premiership

Equation is simple

Not really.

We said that same with Judd - it only cost us Josh Kennedy (former pick 4 - 2 x Coleman, 3x all Australian), and picks 3 and 20 (theoretically could have been dangerfield/rioli and Sam Reid/Levi Greenwood)

 

[ctwenty1]

Not really.

We said that same with Judd - it only cost us Josh Kennedy (former pick 4 - 2 x Coleman, 3x all Australian), and picks 3 and 20 (theoretically could have been dangerfield/rioli and Sam Reid/Levi Greenwood)

I never thought we’d win a premiership because of judd

We are much stronger now and butters would release a lot of our existing players enabling them to play at an elevated level

 

[Rippa Crippa]

Well according to most media pundits - Superstars are willing to take less to get to their preferred destinations.

Correct we have fallen behind the times apparently no farm land left in Carlton.

 

[DangerousD]

The American ones allow trading without consent

Yep they’re the only ones I know of, it also says in relation to these leagues that players can have no trade clauses put in their contracts.

So say it got up in the AFL, what would stop players who were drafted to a club in their home state, refusing to sign an extension unless they had a no trade clause inserted?

I also don’t see this happening here fwiw

 

[DangerousD]

Agreed, AFLPA won't go for it. Though the Charlie and Merritt situations might be some sort of catalyst.

He was also talking about teams talking to contracted players. Which is a bad look.

Carlton and * here have all the power here, the players have no say, they can posture all they like but clubs need to start driving a harder bargain, the AFL did raise the idea of limiting contract sizes recently as well.

No idea how a boss of an organisation thinks he can stop its employees looking at other job opportunities,

 

[mrb1]

Not really.

We said that same with Judd - it only cost us Josh Kennedy (former pick 4 - 2 x Coleman, 3x all Australian), and picks 3 and 20 (theoretically could have been dangerfield/rioli and Sam Reid/Levi Greenwood)

Not only that. Kennedy and Masten (Pick 3) won a premiership at West Coast. Judd didn't win one at Carlton. So we lost.

 

[katmanblue]

Carlton and * here have all the power here, the players have no say, they can posture all they like but clubs need to start driving a harder bargain, the AFL did raise the idea of limiting contract sizes recently as well.

No idea how a boss of an organisation thinks he can stop its employees looking at other job opportunities,

Yes, we have the Power in this instance.

It's not a good look for the AFL. And you know all they care about perception. Especially Merritt is getting (seemingly) ugly

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Gov, EH and Charlie trades to come so upgrades available with plenty of room for Dean and other FS.
I just watch Butters and see this incredible leadership which is exactly what this club needs.

EH will be free to a good home... or a bad one (StK)

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Totally agree, I think the outcomes of this list overhaul sit to the upside. The errors of this list build are legacy which we are all aware of, has been gone over adnauseum, and they will only be unwound via these moves. As long as we hold our line, I think our list will be in ok shape for next year.

The big unknown for me is can our coaching / development group fast-track a few of our younger guys or mold some of the older guys to a consistent level of performance in a position we have a need. So far there are precious few examples of this. They finally moved SOS to the backline this year and this was a real win but I'd argue 3 years too late. A few young guys like maybe Cow or Carroll have developed semi-quickly. Who else? The rest just show flashes here or there but are still miles off proper top line AFL level.

So as soon as we get a run of injuries to the first 22 we get exposed - and we always get injuries.

Plugging holes with trades is like a infinite loop which will get us nowhere - if retaining Voss is holding back a bunch of guys that could be taking those spots effectively.

I like what we're doing re. trades but I suspect that's where we're at.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

We're in an interesting situation re cap space over the next couple of years.

With TDK, JSOS, Doch, Elijah, Gov and potentially Acres and Curnow we should have an absolute bucket load of cash free'd up for some trade targets.

Unfortunately with the new bid matching system and our F/S and NGA prospects we're quite hamstrung in who we can actually bring in over the next two off seasons in terms of having picks to trade with.

Butters, Bailey, McInerney and B.King the only real standouts in terms of RFA in 2026 which means if we miss on them we'd most likely be sitting on a mountain of cash for multiple seasons.

In some ways that could be a blessing in disguise as we'd be able to bank cap space and front end some deals with certain players, in another... We would be essentially wasting the final years of Cripps, Harry, Weiters and others primes.

Very interested to see how we approach things this off season.

 

[JJBagger]

Also timing.

Imo the biggest issue with out recent list builds has been trying to take short cuts to accelerate the build/finals rather than committing to the draft.

If we hadn’t of traded for Judd, we would have kept Kennedy, and perhaps drafted a couple of other solid players with picks 3 (master/Palmer/Henderson/Dangerfield/mcevoy/rioli) and 20.

Similarly with saad and to a lesser extent cerra trades.

IMO trading first round picks for players should only ever happen when a club has demonstrated some level of ability to reach and compete in the finals

I have less of an issue with jager smith trade as we would have expected our future 1st and future second picks to be much later this year than it turned out out to be

First round picks are useless for us this year

 

[swuzzlebubble]

First round picks are useless for us this year

They could actually be quite useful

 

[gbatman]

Dean and Ison is all we want draft wise. We’ll sell the other assets with a view to bring in value and position for 2026 draft.

Dean, Ison, Chesser is an excellent starting point.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Dean, Ison, Chesser is an excellent starting point.

Dean, Ison, Chesser and Robey/Lindsay/Grlj would be an even better starting point!

 

[gbatman]

If you could do me a favour.

Walk into your workplace and announce that and let me know the response you get?

Thanks

Get butters and we win a premiership

Equation is simple

We are closer than a lot of people on here think. A good run of injuries, some good young talent and a talented, quick senior midfielder and I would expect to be top 4.

Rebuilding the midfield has to be priority. It's number 1. If your midfield is slow and immobile in 2024, your backline and forward line will not have the chance to function.

I think our forward line is coming good but we do need to add a little talent there.

Our team has been at the T intersection for a few years now and has been slowly turning the right way, a good recruitment period this year where we bring in high quality young and mature talent in the right ares turns it around.

We have a few years of poor recruiting and list management to fix. We need to do it quickly and get back going quickly.

Trust me we are not that bad.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

We are closer than a lot of people on here think. A good run of injuries, some good young talent and a talented, quick senior midfielder and I would expect to be top 4.

Agree in principle but if we had $1.5m spare I'd rather target 2 v $750k or 3 X $500k

 

[DangerousD]

Yes, we have the Power in this instance.

It's not a good look for the AFL. And you know all they care about perception. Especially Merritt is getting (seemingly) ugly

Agree and I really emphasise with Merret, to me he has always done right by them, has committed to them long term and over and over they have failed him.

Not just him but other players in the same situation as well

 

[DangerousD]

We're in an interesting situation re cap space over the next couple of years.

With TDK, JSOS, Doch, Elijah, Gov and potentially Acres and Curnow we should have an absolute bucket load of cash free'd up for some trade targets.

Unfortunately with the new bid matching system and our F/S and NGA prospects we're quite hamstrung in who we can actually bring in over the next two off seasons in terms of having picks to trade with.

Butters, Bailey, McInerney and B.King the only real standouts in terms of RFA in 2026 which means if we miss on them we'd most likely be sitting on a mountain of cash for multiple seasons.

In some ways that could be a blessing in disguise as we'd be able to bank cap space and front end some deals with certain players, in another... We would be essentially wasting the final years of Cripps, Harry, Weiters and others primes.

Very interested to see how we approach things this off season.

Butters, Bailey and King will cost a mint, Mcinerney a realistic option, the cupboard is pretty bare free agency wise.

 

[JJBagger]

They could actually be quite useful

Not for us. No point having a first round pick around the point Dean is rated (which according to Cal Twomey is around 8). Use them to trade for a player, or trade into next years draft

 

[DangerousD]

First round picks are useless for us this year

Why would they be useless?

 

[DangerousD]

Talk of our club only wanting to take Dean and Ison in the draft is concerning.

We have roughly gone 4th, 8th, 13th in the ladder, this is not the trajectory of a club that has enough talent on the list, this also doesn’t factor in player losses

If we can get 1-2 quality young players via trade, great, but if we are mostly getting fringe players, then we need to be adding more at the draft

 

[CJMB]

We're in an interesting situation re cap space over the next couple of years.

With TDK, JSOS, Doch, Elijah, Gov and potentially Acres and Curnow we should have an absolute bucket load of cash free'd up for some trade targets.

Unfortunately with the new bid matching system and our F/S and NGA prospects we're quite hamstrung in who we can actually bring in over the next two off seasons in terms of having picks to trade with.

Butters, Bailey, McInerney and B.King the only real standouts in terms of RFA in 2026 which means if we miss on them we'd most likely be sitting on a mountain of cash for multiple seasons.

In some ways that could be a blessing in disguise as we'd be able to bank cap space and front end some deals with certain players, in another... We would be essentially wasting the final years of Cripps, Harry, Weiters and others primes.

Very interested to see how we approach things this off season.

Ideally we’d attack free agency hard, however the options become limited with every club’s attempts to sure up their list ahead of the 19th license.

Might see more role players or bargains rather than any big names.