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Also Doc retired.

Does anyone know how many list spots are actually available? And in which categories?
8 players gone.
TDK
Sos
Charlie
Doc
Lemmey
Orazio
Cincotta
Durdin

5 have come in
Reidy
Chesser
Ainsworth
Florent
Hayward

So 3 spots left for Dean and Ison and someone else.

+1 if HOF gets put on the inactive list.

Edit. Forgot about Durdin.
 
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What do you call it when you trade away your best player and let a bunch of other veterans walk as free agents, leaving the team deliberately uncompetitive, all so that you can invest heavily in draft picks over a 2-3 year period?

I know this one... Yep, there it is... Rebuild Time!!!

No one does this better than Carlton, either. Give it 12 months and we'll be up to our ankles in green shoots!
You can argue if he was our best or second best player all day.

But seriously where has that got us? A prelim once after a huge run and a smashing in an elimination final.

It hasn’t worked it’s worked for us to be middle of the road, so get some currency & what we are missing. It’s not like he was the only former Coleman medalist on the list
 

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Considering we have brought in 5 players and still need to bring in 3 via the draft.

Am I correct in thinking we a couple of back end picks to the Swans as we probably wouldn't use them?

Assuming Dean is bid on before 9 we can match which pushes back 11 pick a player with that pick say pick 14-15 and then match/take Ison later in the draft with back end points.

I can see us using more than 3 picks as list spots surely will be getting tight?
 
Are you ok?

This is a completely unreasonable interpretation of a trade period that has involved bringing in 3 best 22 players

Yeah right. We brought in some veterans (and all likeable enough players to have) because someone has to play next year.

I like all of Chesser, Florent, Haywood and Ainsworth, but they aren't better than Curnow/TDK/Silvagni/Dochety and we are losing more on top it seems.

We finished 11th and will start next season with:
  • less veteran players than 2025
  • less good players than 2025

Not exactly a recipe for high expectations.

So again, we are probably sliding down the ladder into the bottom 6, while also accumulating multiple first round draft picks in each of the next 3 drafts. Is that not a rebuild?

Not really sure what your point is.

If you were the List Manager what would you have done?

Just this year, or rehashing last year?

Look, I don't know how difficult things are with Curnow, but unless it was utterly unworkable, I wouldn't have traded him without getting something more concrete back the other way. I'd rather just wait and rehash the trade next year in a stronger draft. Melbourne did so with Petracca and have two top 10 picks this year to show for it.

We could have kept Charlie, and brought in Ainsworth, Chesser and Florent on the same deals, or a version of them. I wouldn't have let Silvagni's situation drag on the way it did (where he was basically told to wait for TDK first) and so I don't think he is gone.

Waiting on Charlie would also be better with our coaching situation too. Voss has one year left. How on earth do we evaluate 2026 for him, having moved on half the squad in two years? While I'm sure he has had some input into that... It just seems to complicate that

You can argue if he was our best or second best player all day.

But seriously where has that got us? A prelim once after a huge run and a smashing in an elimination final.

It hasn’t worked it’s worked for us to be middle of the road, so get some currency & what we are missing. It’s not like he was the only former Coleman medalist on the list

Sure. It may not be the wrong path to take. I just think we should be honest about where we are at. We're rebuilding. Maybe not scorched earth, thank god... (I think we know that is a very hard road to take). The hope is that it's more 'Collingwood 2021' rebuilding than 'Carlton for the entire 21st century'....
 
8 players gone.
TDK
Sos
Charlie
Doc
Lemmey
Orazio
Cincotta
Durdin

5 have come in
Reidy
Chesser
Ainsworth
Florent
Hayward

So 3 spots left for Dean and Ison and someone else.

+1 if HOF gets put on the inactive list.

Edit. Forgot about Durdin.
We also brought in Frank and White to cover Jagga and Kemp, so we started +2

So we currently have 1 vacancy, and then Gov and White currently without a contract.
 
If we are really valuing speed and foot skills, the team could look something like this.

B: Newman - Weitering - Haynes
HB: Cowan - Dean - Carroll
C: Chesser - Cripps - Florent
FOL: Pittonet/Reidy - Lord - Walsh
HF: Evans - HOF - Ainsworth
F: Hayward - McKay - Williams

B: Cerra, Saad/Hollands, Smith, Kemp/Moir, Hewett

We’ve certainly increased our dept, Motlop, Acres, Fogarty, Cottrell, Pittonet/Reidy, Saad/Hollands, Kemp/Moir all missed my team.

Wonder if we have the balls to pick up Ah Chee in the PSD 🤷‍♂️

comedy central GIF
 
Boyd is the odd one. Seemingly out of favour but has a higher capacity imo out of the three to be consistently best 23. Had a shocker 2025 so will be interesting how he responds. Put a line through Fog and Binns.
I’d actually prefer Fog over Boyd … not sure where Boyd is at but he just doesn’t seem to have it
 
Yeah right. We brought in some veterans (and all likeable enough players to have) because someone has to play next year.

I like all of Chesser, Florent, Haywood and Ainsworth, but they aren't better than Curnow/TDK/Silvagni/Dochety and we are losing more on top it seems.

We finished 11th and will start next season with:
  • less veteran players than 2025
  • less good players than 2025

Not exactly a recipe for high expectations.

So again, we are probably sliding down the ladder into the bottom 6, while also accumulating multiple first round draft picks in each of the next 3 drafts. Is that not a rebuild?



Just this year, or rehashing last year?

Look, I don't know how difficult things are with Curnow, but unless it was utterly unworkable, I wouldn't have traded him without getting something more concrete back the other way. I'd rather just wait and rehash the trade next year in a stronger draft. Melbourne did so with Petracca and have two top 10 picks this year to show for it.

We could have kept Charlie, and brought in Ainsworth, Chesser and Florent on the same deals, or a version of them. I wouldn't have let Silvagni's situation drag on the way it did (where he was basically told to wait for TDK first) and so I don't think he is gone.

Waiting on Charlie would also be better with our coaching situation too. Voss has one year left. How on earth do we evaluate 2026 for him, having moved on half the squad in two years? While I'm sure he has had some input into that... It just seems to complicate that



Sure. It may not be the wrong path to take. I just think we should be honest about where we are at. We're rebuilding. Maybe not scorched earth, thank god... (I think we know that is a very hard road to take). The hope is that it's more 'Collingwood 2021' rebuilding than 'Carlton for the entire 21st century'....
Let’s do a realistic assessment of the 4 Carlton players cited.

Firstly, Doc was hot garbage. I’d take Buku over him. He was a net loss every time he played.

JSOS was huge as a defender. Then got injured. Charlie was in rubbish form as was TDK. At their VERY best, those 3 are core players. But they are unreliable for form / durability.

Chesser aside, we have brought in 3 durable and consistent players. You know what you’re gonna get with them. As for TDK, Charlie and JSOS, we were wondering which version was going to turn up (more so in respect to CharliE and TDK)
 

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Lots of permutations to what happens with 9 and 11, but at minimum, we're getting Dean and Ison. Some options:

We could try and run the gauntlet. In a somewhat interesting confluence of events, the top 8 picks are all consecutive picks for 4 different clubs. We could try our luck and see if we can coast by without a bid on Dean and use pick 9(or whatever it becomes - expect 3 bids before him). I think it's unlikely that we get there, but odds are it's close. We can let the picks get swallowed, but a bid on Dean by Melbourne at say... 7(10), we end up with pick 17 as a remainder. But we can probably only match a bid on Ison after 40 or so in that scenario, so it's a bit risky.

We can try to move up a little. Best target is likely * with 6 and 21 for 9 and 11. You pay a little premium to move up, and I think this is a fair deal, but they probably knock it back. If they think the draft is shallow, it's a no, but if they think it's flat, then it's an extra early pick for them. However, it means we are in trouble if there's a very early bid for Dean. If it's before 6, then we've lost the advantage, but if we take another pick before 6 then we don't have the points for Dean until after 16 or so. And we wouldn't have the points for Ison unless they both go far later than expected. So I think this is unlikely.

We can shift some points into next year. My preferred option here is, funnily enough, Hawthorn. 9 and 11 for 10 and 22, plus an F1. Should easily match Dean and Ison, plus stockpile assets to trade up next year for Cody. There's even a scenario there where a later bid on Dean means we can actually use 22 and still have enough points for Ison.

Or we could trade out 9 and 43 to North for a future first and pick 26. Gets us Dean and Ison, and a likely high pick for Cody, and would be attractive to North to get back into the draft in a year where they've done very little to improve their list via trade. They will still be thinking they rise next year (law of averages), and if they don't, they are staring down a raft of young high draft picks who are eager to jump ship, so they will likely be able to trade back into next year's draft if they need to.

I'm leaning towards trying to move a pick into next year. I think it'll be hard to do as clubs will be reluctant to part with picks next year in a perceived better draft. But I also don't think we want more than Dean and Ison (and a rookie upgrade), given our list spots.
 
After a really brief look is our best bet here to absorb the bid for Dean with 9 (if it comes before) or 11 (if it comes after) and use the other pick to take someone. Then use left over points for Ison? Just can't see how we move up with 9+11 and leave enough points to match bids.
 

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This was the only option outside of a back to chassis rebuild.

We lost most of our mid age quality and needed to restore that connective tissue between the young bucks and the old bulls. We do that by adding a handful of solid citizens that address some weaknesses and have much needed experience and reset around Walsh, Weiters and Harry as our core.

Cripps, Newman and Saad get to remain somewhat competitive as they ride off into the sunset. Cripps still has a bit of light at the end of the tunnel if the next two years go go plan and his body holds up.

Just wish we could have held on to Jack. The 'overs' we received didn't amount to much at the end of the day and our line up would look pretty handy but for the gaping hope at CHB.
 
Yeah right. We brought in some veterans (and all likeable enough players to have) because someone has to play next year.

I like all of Chesser, Florent, Haywood and Ainsworth, but they aren't better than Curnow/TDK/Silvagni/Dochety and we are losing more on top it seems.

We finished 11th and will start next season with:
  • less veteran players than 2025
  • less good players than 2025

Not exactly a recipe for high expectations.

So again, we are probably sliding down the ladder into the bottom 6, while also accumulating multiple first round draft picks in each of the next 3 drafts. Is that not a rebuild?



Just this year, or rehashing last year?

Look, I don't know how difficult things are with Curnow, but unless it was utterly unworkable, I wouldn't have traded him without getting something more concrete back the other way. I'd rather just wait and rehash the trade next year in a stronger draft. Melbourne did so with Petracca and have two top 10 picks this year to show for it.

We could have kept Charlie, and brought in Ainsworth, Chesser and Florent on the same deals, or a version of them. I wouldn't have let Silvagni's situation drag on the way it did (where he was basically told to wait for TDK first) and so I don't think he is gone.

Waiting on Charlie would also be better with our coaching situation too. Voss has one year left. How on earth do we evaluate 2026 for him, having moved on half the squad in two years? While I'm sure he has had some input into that... It just seems to complicate that



Sure. It may not be the wrong path to take. I just think we should be honest about where we are at. We're rebuilding. Maybe not scorched earth, thank god... (I think we know that is a very hard road to take). The hope is that it's more 'Collingwood 2021' rebuilding than 'Carlton for the entire 21st century'....
I’d argue (& only time will tell) that are ceiling has lowered. Charlie at full flight, TDK was still largely potential, sure he had that 8 week run last year, but outside of that it was moments. But the players we have brought in, that are role players, increase that floor. For too long we have probably had inconsistent top end talent & if they aren’t on we are in trouble.

I think Jack is the biggest lose (his issue was staying on the park) but we always knew what we got. For too much over the last 18 months, if we had the likes of Charlie & TDK rock up we would beat anyone. If they didn’t it’s round 1 second half against Richmond.

Outside of Gawn this century there hasn’t been the best ruckman winning flags, it would have been bad business to get near St Kilda’s offer. There also hasn’t really been a team with 2 classic power KPF win a flag for a while (look at Brisbane’s GF key forward stocks), we also have 1 already in Harry. So you could argue that Curnow was surplus and we probably cashed in at the right time.

I don’t think it’s end of the world, I don’t think we are going to compete for a flag next year, however with Tassie coming in 2027, therefore meaning a hugely compromised draft around that, we really needed to make this decision now while Charlie was worth something & while the draft isn’t incredibly compromised.

We are also in a lucky position through F/S that we don’t have to completely bottom out to get early picks (Dean & Walker), add to that a 3rd rounder last year. I think it’s the right direction.

Doing nothing, matching FA money on TDK & JSOS, holding Charlie prob puts us in a range of 7-10 next year & then having to realise we do need a full rebuild as Weitering, Cripps, Newman, Charlie, Harry etc head into the final years of footy all while losing picks to Tassie.
 
How many list spots can we have?

Where are we at for list spots?

Also Doc retired.

Does anyone know how many list spots are actually available? And in which categories?

See table in quoted message below. We currently have one spot available.

We will have to cut several players to make use of the picks available (and draft Dean & Ison).

I expect Gov will be retained, due to list balance. Flynn Young and White to be cut, and Lij to be paid out. I understand that Evans and Charleson have new contracts, though nothing has been officially said by the club.

If all of the above happens, we'll end up taking four picks to the draft. I'd expect to use three of them, and then one rookie - possibly re-rookie Young or White, though more likely to be another tall.

It's also possible we may be active during the pick trade period (starting tomorrow), to try and consolidate picks 43, 54, 67 and 72 into 2 picks (or to next year).


2025 AFL Trade Period and the AFL Draft

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Official Carlton Football Club Trade and Draft hub

Current draft picks: 9, 11, 43, 54, 67, 72, 87, 105 (total points: 2758)
Used picks: --
2026 draft picks: 1st round, 1st round (Sydney), 4th round
2027 draft picks: 1st round, 1st round (Sydney), 3rd round, 4th round

List changes:

OUTPrimary ListRookie List
RetiredSam Docherty
DelistedOrazio Fantasia, Harry LemmeyAlex Cincotta
Free AgencyTom De Koning, Jack Silvagni
TradedCorey Durdin, Charlie Curnow
TOTAL (8)71

INPrimary ListRookie List
SSP/MSD additionsFrancis Evans (SSP), Will White (SSP), Flynn Young (MSD)
Free Agency
TradeLiam Reidy, Campbell Chesser, Ben Ainsworth, Oliver Florent, Will Hayward
Draft
TOTAL (8)53

Uncontracted: 5
Primary: Mitch McGovern (wait)
Rookie: Harry Charleson (keep), Will White (wait), Flynn Young, Francis Evans (UFA) (keep)

Upgraded Rookies: 0

LIST STATUSList LimitsPost 2024 DraftCurrentCurrent Free Spots
Primary36-3836342
Rookie1-657-1
Cat-B Rookie0-2220
TOTAL37-4443421
Total Free Spots0-7111


Trade/Draft Rumours
Leaving Carlton
- Nominated Trade -
- Trade Rumours -

Elijah Hollands (contracted) - has been asked to look for another club
Mitch McGovern (uncontracted)
Blake Acres (contracted)
Sam Walsh (contracted) - will attract interest, given ooc in 2026
Coming to Carlton
- Draft -
Harry Dean (Defender - 2025 Father/Son) - likely range: 5-15
Jack Ison (Utility - 2025 NGA) - likely range: 20-35
Tyson Gresham (Small Forward - 2025 NGA) - likely range: Late-Rookie
Mingara Clark (Forward - 2025 NGA) - likely range: Cat-B Rookie or SSP
- Nominated Trade -
Buku Khamis (Defender - WB - contracted) - has nominated Carlton as destination of choice, no deal yet
- Trade Rumours -
Tom Papley (Sm Fwd - Sydney - contracted) - potential inclusion in Curnow trade - wants to stay
Errol Gulden (Mid - Sydney - contracted) - potential inclusion in Curnow trade - improbable, but Carlton supporter
Isaac Heeney (Mid/Fwd - Sydney - contracted) - potential inclusion in Curnow trade - improbable
Chad Warner (Mid - Sydney - contracted) - potential inclusion in Curnow trade - improbable, unless 3rd party (WA) involved
Jed Walter (Tall Fwd - Gold Coast - contracted) - potential inclusion in Curnow trade - GC say 'no'
Bailey Humphrey (Fwd/Mid - Gold Coast - contracted) - potential inclusion in Curnow trade - GC say 'no'
Max Holmes (Mid/Def - Geelong - contracted) - potential inclusion in Curnow trade - improbable
Zac Butters (Mid - Port Adelaide - contracted) - possible interest in returning to Victoria, ooc 2026
Zac Bailey (Fwd/Mid - Brisbane - contracted) - possible interest in returning to Victoria, ooc 2026
Jack Petrucelle (Wing - WCE - delisted) - possible interest as train-on for SSP

Everything Else


Dates in Grey are TBC

Restricted/Unrestricted Free Agency Trades: COMPLETE
Fri 3-Oct 9am:
AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period Commences
Fri 10-Oct 5pm: Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period
Mon 13-Oct 5pm: AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends

AFL Trade Period - Player and Selection Trades: In Progress
Mon 6-Oct 9am:
AFL Trade Period Commences – Players & Selections
Wed 15-Oct 7.30pm: AFL Trade Period Closes – Players & Selections

AFL Trade Period - Pick Swaps only: PENDING
Thu 16-Oct 9am:
AFL Trade Period Opens – Selections Only
Fri 7-Nov 5pm: AFL Trade Period Closes –Selections Only


Draft Combines: COMPLETE
Fri 3-Oct to Sun 5-Oct:
National Draft Combine
Sun 5-Oct: Victorian State Combine (with QLD, NSW, Tas, NT)
Sat 11-Oct: SA State Combine
Sun 12-Oct: WA State Combine


Draft Nominations: In Progress
Mon 6-Oct 9am: AFL Draft Nominations open
Thu 30-Oct: Out-of-contract listed AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft)
Wed 12-Nov 3pm: AFL Draft Nominations close
Wed 12-Nov: Delisted AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft)
Wed 12-Nov: Non-retained rookie list player draft nomination close


Delisted Free Agency Period: PENDING
Fri 31-Oct 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences
Fri 7-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes


List Lodgment Dates: PENDING
Thu 30-Oct: List Lodgment 1
Thu 30-Oct: Father/Son, NGA, Northern Academy bidding nominations close
Thu 30-Oct: International Scholarship Listed players inclusion on rookie list lodgment
Wed 12-Nov: Players not registered for 3 years inclusion on rookie list lodgment
Wed 12-Nov: International Players inclusion on rookie list lodgment
Fri 21-Nov: List Lodgment 2 (post National draft)
Mon 24-Nov: FINAL List Lodgment (post PSD & Rookie drafts)


The Draft: PENDING
Wed 19-Nov
Time 7pm:
National Draft Round One
Thu 20-Nov
5.45pm - 6.30pm:
Selection Trade period
7pm: National Draft Round Two to completion
Following completion of draft: Rookie Promotion to Primary List
Following completion of draft: Delisted Free Agency Period (3)
Fri 21-Nov
Northern Academy and NGA Academy eligible Pre-Selected Rookie and Father-Son Pre-Selected Rookie player nominations
3pm: AFL Pre-season Draft
3.20pm: AFL Rookie Draft

Supplementary Selection Period (SSP): PENDING
Mon 24-Nov 9am: SSP starts (players must have been on AFL list previously OR nominated for 2025 draft)
Mon 15-Feb 5pm: SSP ends

Completed Trades
3-Oct

1. Jack Silvagni (Carlton) to St Kilda. UFA - Carlton receive Band 2 compensation (currently pick 22 (was 19)).
2. Jacob Wehr (GWS) to Port Adelaide. UFA - GWS receive no compensation.
3. James Worpel (Hawthorn) to Geelong. RFA - Hawthorn receive Band 4 compensation (pick 43 (39)).
4. Tom De Koning (Carlton) to St Kilda. RFA - Carlton receive Band 1 compensation (pick 10 (9)).
5. Charlie Spargo (Melbourne) to North Melbourne. UFA - Dees receive Band 4 compensation (pick 42 (41)).

4-Oct
6. Sam Draper (Essendon) to Brisbane. UFA - Essendon receive Band 2 compensation (pick 21 (20)).
7. Brody Mihocek (Collingwood) to Melbourne. UFA - Pies receive (tba).

7-Oct
8. Liam Reidy (Fremantle) to Carlton. Reidy plus picks 54 (53) and 72 (71) to Carlton. Fremantle receive picks 51 (50) and 69 (68).
9. Malcolm Rosas Jr (Gold Coast) to Sydney. Rosas plus pick 63 (62) to Sydney. Gold Coast receive picks 52 (51) and 70 (69).

8-Oct
10. Complex trade
West Coast - give: 17 (16), 23 (22), 24 (23); receive: Brandon Starcevich (Brisbane), picks 13 (12) (Fre), 53 (52) (Bri).
Brisbane - give: 20 (19), 47 (46), 53 (52); receive: picks 17 (16) (WC), 23 (22) (WC), 45 (44) (Fre), 51 (50) (Fre).
Fremantle - give: 13 (12), 45 (44), 51 (50); receive: picks 20 (19) (Bri), 24 (23) (WC), 47 (46) (Bri).

11. Judd McVee (Melbourne) to Fremantle. Melbourne receives pick 24 (23).
12. Sam Flanders (Gold Coast) to St Kilda. Gold Coast receive pick 8 (7).
13. Oscar Allen (West Coast) to Brisbane. RFA - West Coast receive Band 1 compensation (pick 2).

9-Oct
14. Liam Ryan (West Coast) to St Kilda. Ryan and WC 2027 R3 pick to Saints. West Coast receive StK 2026 R2 pick.
15. Max Heath (St Kilda) to Melbourne. St Kilda receive Melb 2027 R4 pick.

10-Oct
15. Brody Mihocek (Collingwood) to Melbourne. Dees get Mihocek and pick 71. Pies get pick 61 and Melb 2026 3rd rd pick.
16. Campbell Chesser (West Coast) to Carlton. West Coast receive pick 41.
17. Complex trade
Carlton - give: Corey Durdin, 2026 2nd round pick; receive: Ben Ainsworth, pick 67 (PA)
Port Adelaide - give: picks 29, 67; receive: Corey Durdin, 2026 2nd round pick (Car)
Gold Coast - give: Ben Ainsworth; receive: pick 29

13-Oct
18. Pick Trade. GWS receive pick 12. Western Bulldogs receive picks 14 and 27.
19. Tylar Young (Richmond) to West Coast. Richmond receive pick 38.
20. Will Brodie (Fremantle) to Port Adelaide. Fremantle receive pick 103.

14-Oct
21. Pick Trade. Collingwood receive picks 45 and 56. Brisbane receive pick 59 and 2026 third round pick (Mel).
22. Brayden Fiorini (Gold Coast) to Essendon. Gold Coast receive 2026 third round pick (GC).
23. Connor Budarick (Gold Coast) to Western Bulldogs. Dogs get Budarick plus pick 70. GCS receive pick 37.

15-Oct
24. Oliver Florent (Sydney) to Carlton. Sydney receive 2026 third round pick (Car).
25. Changkuoth Jiath (Hawthorn) to Melbourne. Hawthorn receive pick 42 and 2026 4th round pick (Mel).
26. Jai Serong (Hawthorn) to Sydney. Swans get Serong and 2026 4th round pick (Haw). Hawks get 2026 3rd round pick (Syd).
27. Pick Trade. Hawthorn receive picks 10 and 22. Carlton receive picks 9, 31, 42, 43.
28. Finnbar Maley (North Melbourne) to Adelaide. Crows get Maley and pick 64. Roos get pick 57 and 2026 4th round pick (Ade).
29. Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (Western Bulldogs) to Gold Coast. Dogs receive pick 74.
30. Jack Buller (Sydney) to Collingwood. Pies get Buller and 2026 4th round pick (Syd). Swans get 2026 3rd round pick (Col)
31. Jack Steele (St Kilda) to Melbourne. Saints get 2027 3rd round pick (Mel).
32. Clayton Oliver (Melbourne) to GWS. Dees get 2026 3rd round pick (GWS).
33. Christian Petracca (Melbourne) to Gold Coast. Suns get Petracca, picks 24, 28 and 2026 2nd round pick (Mel). Dees get picks 7, 8, 37 and 2026 1st round pick (GC) and 2027 3rd round pick (GC).
34. Patrick Retschko (Geelong) to Richmond. Cats receive pick 99.
35. Charlie Curnow (Carlton) to Sydney. Sydney get Curnow, picks 31, 42 and 2027 2nd round pick (Car). Blues get Will Hayward, pick 11, 2026 1st round pick (Syd) and 2027 1st round pick (Syd).


Delisted Free Agents
tba

Pick Trades (post Trade week)
tba

Potential Trades

Nominated:

NameTypeFromDestinationNotes
Deven RobertsonUncontractedBrisbaneWest Coastlikely DFA
Leek AleerUncontractedGWSSt KildaCancelled
Buku KhamisContractedWestern BulldogsCarlton
Callum Ah CheeUncontractedBrisbaneAdelaide
Rowan MarshallContractedSt KildaGeelong

Yet to Nominate, but trade requested:
NameTypeFromDestinationNotes

Mooted:
NameTypeFromDestinationNotes
Jordan ButtsRFAAdelaide
Zach MerrettContractedEssendonHawthorn?
Jordan RidleyContractedEssendonBrisbane?Staying?
Callum WilkieUncontractedSt KildaWestern Bulldogs/?Staying?
Jy SimpkinContractedNorth MelbourneCollingwoodStaying
Bobby HillCollingwood
Mitch McGovernUncontractedCarlton
Elijah HollandsContractedCarlton
Henry HustwaiteContractedHawthornEssendon?
Jamie ElliottContractedCollingwoodStaying (signed new contract)Staying
Zane DuursmaUncontractedNorth MelbourneEssendon/?
Stephen MayContractedMelbourne
Bailey HumphreyContractedGold CoastCarlton, Collingwood, Melbourne, ?



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I like all of Chesser, Florent, Haywood and Ainsworth, but they aren't better than Curnow/TDK/Silvagni/Dochety and we are losing more on top it seems.

We finished 11th and will start next season with:
  • less veteran players than 2025
  • less good players than 2025

Not exactly a recipe for high expectations.

So again, we are probably sliding down the ladder into the bottom 6, while also accumulating multiple first round draft picks in each of the next 3 drafts. Is that not a rebuild?

It's not like we're replacing them with kids. Ignore Doch, who retired, and Cincotta, who we delisted - neither added much of significance to the team this year.
We lose Charlie (28), JSOS(27) and TDK(26) with Florent(27), Ainsworth (27) and Hayward(26). On games played, we're gaining 526 games and losing 377. So we're gaining experience while shedding age. Yes, we can debate their qualities and the roles they played, but as you say, we finished 11th with these players in the team - our structure didn't work. We've brought in 4 best 22 players (Including Chesser, wouldn't be surprised if Riedy makes it 5), to go with Jagga and Newman back, potentially Kemp, and even Dean could be playing in our round 1 side. That's a third of the starting team changing.
Call it a rebuild if you like, but this is a reset. We're changing up the side, but we're building around what we're missing. We've still got a core of Cripps, Walsh, Harry, Weiters, Cerra and Hewett, to complement a strong group of kids coming through. Are we favourites for the flag? I doubt it, but I'm a long way off calling us a bottom 6 side.
 
Lots of permutations to what happens with 9 and 11, but at minimum, we're getting Dean and Ison. Some options:

We could try and run the gauntlet. In a somewhat interesting confluence of events, the top 8 picks are all consecutive picks for 4 different clubs. We could try our luck and see if we can coast by without a bid on Dean and use pick 9(or whatever it becomes - expect 3 bids before him). I think it's unlikely that we get there, but odds are it's close. We can let the picks get swallowed, but a bid on Dean by Melbourne at say... 7(10), we end up with pick 17 as a remainder. But we can probably only match a bid on Ison after 40 or so in that scenario, so it's a bit risky.

We can try to move up a little. Best target is likely * with 6 and 21 for 9 and 11. You pay a little premium to move up, and I think this is a fair deal, but they probably knock it back. If they think the draft is shallow, it's a no, but if they think it's flat, then it's an extra early pick for them. However, it means we are in trouble if there's a very early bid for Dean. If it's before 6, then we've lost the advantage, but if we take another pick before 6 then we don't have the points for Dean until after 16 or so. And we wouldn't have the points for Ison unless they both go far later than expected. So I think this is unlikely.

We can shift some points into next year. My preferred option here is, funnily enough, Hawthorn. 9 and 11 for 10 and 22, plus an F1. Should easily match Dean and Ison, plus stockpile assets to trade up next year for Cody. There's even a scenario there where a later bid on Dean means we can actually use 22 and still have enough points for Ison.

Or we could trade out 9 and 43 to North for a future first and pick 26. Gets us Dean and Ison, and a likely high pick for Cody, and would be attractive to North to get back into the draft in a year where they've done very little to improve their list via trade. They will still be thinking they rise next year (law of averages), and if they don't, they are staring down a raft of young high draft picks who are eager to jump ship, so they will likely be able to trade back into next year's draft if they need to.

I'm leaning towards trying to move a pick into next year. I think it'll be hard to do as clubs will be reluctant to part with picks next year in a perceived better draft. But I also don't think we want more than Dean and Ison (and a rookie upgrade), given our list spots.
I don’t understand why we did that pick swap with Hawthorn? I understood it for the points, but then we traded two of the picks away
 
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