List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[The Bighouse]

We should be ridding ourselves of those that continually let us down and reward those that give their all …

Even if their skills/disposal are poor?

 

[Brezsa]

So each club has to take a minimum of 3 selections in the draft for us that’s Dean+Ison

We can only use the points if list spots available so right now we can only use 9,11 & 43 leaving 54,67 & 72 on the table.

You’d say 2 go, draft 3 leaving 2 opens spots for SSP, at a minimum it will be 1 which is unfortunately Elijah.

Personally I like him as a player, obviously none of as are privy to behind the curtain, so will trust the club on this one. Would love to see him get the chance as a train on however if nobody else bites.

I also think we should move one of 9 or 11 into next year. We know that Walker will chew up 2, as it stands we have no second or third next year. Again minimum of 3 so unless we get picks in that draft over the next 12 months (next years trade period) we are looking at Walker and 2 back end picks in a very good draft from reports.

Seems more balanced to get Dean, Ison & a backend this year. Then Walker + another first rounder + backender next year.

Realistically we need to do this prior to draft night, which isn’t the best outcome as you seem to get premium on picks on draft night if someone really likes someone, but it’s probably too risky to go into the draft 2 & have one blown on Dean off the bat

 

[Kruezing]

Even if their skills/disposal are poor?

We can’t get rid of half the list lol

 

[BlueLocke]

Think the 31st is the final list lodgement date; the Hollands situation is very interesting.

I thought he was gone, but part of me now thinks that they might hold out until then to see if he can keep clean through the majority of the off-season.

 

[gbatman]

Pretty good result really.

1. Everyone is talking Sydney up. Do we expect them to be good? Is this a downward trend or a down year? They have gained a star forward they will be hoping stays fit, but they have also lost some players. Will Curnow become a focal point and something opposition teams can exploit? What I am saying is, there is as much chance the wheels fall off at the Swans as there is of them going back into finals. This could mean we potentially only need to use one future first for Walker.

2. Our team that was full of holes really has very few holes and much more depth. For years I have been talking about how we lack forwards, that our smaller forwards don't have an overhead game and this means we become too focused on our two talls, which opposition sides exploit and it also kills our ball movement. Lack of pace and ability to read the game as a forward as well. We add Hayward and Ainsworth with the upcoming of Kemp and Moir and all of a sudden we have pace, smarts and plenty of targets going forward. I think O'Keeffe and McKay will be fine tall targets but we will now be able to go around them more often and that means our talls won't be surrounded by defenders all the time.

We have vastly improved the quality of our overall forward group and structure. So we have more scoring power, improved ball movement, better forward line retention and should have more scoring power.

3. Florent will be good for us. I expect Haward and Ainsworth to be really good for us but florent is a really good fit as well. He's a fast talented player who can attack from behind the ball with pace and ball use. Just what we need. Gives us a wing option or an attacking half back option.

4. Chesser. To me he is a potential gun. I'm confident he will become a gun player. Top level pace, loves to chase and do the hard stuff, 1's etc. He was a steal. His good finishing and ability to run with the ball is going to really setup our forwards.

5. Accountability. There are going to be a lot of Carlton players who in the past had kids, poor talent and injured players under them and have played far too many senior games. There are a lot now who would be feeling uncomfortable about their chances of getting a game. It's going to make competition for spots competitive. Complacency has been an issue. I expect a few players to find a gear.

6. Pace. Our paces issues aren't all fixed, I still think we need an A grade quick in the middle, but gee a lot has been fixed. Wright and Davies have finally given us the direction we have needed the last 3 years. Pace and good kicking. We will be stronger offensively and defensively for it.

7. Picks and space. 2 first round picks for the next three drafts. It gives us the tools to bring in top level talent, either with trades or the draft. Walker is a given now. However, no draft picks in rounds 2 and three next year is far from ideal. I expect we will make more trades.

8. Our depth is vastly improved. Youth will have to be good to get games and games won't be given. We have a good mix is experience and youth. We have areas we could add depth too. Tall forward and for 2026 we may be short a tall defender. Midfield and flank depth looks solid.

 

[gbatman]

Think the 31st is the final list lodgement date; the Hollands situation is very interesting.

I thought he was gone, but part of me now thinks that they might hold out until then to see if he can keep clean through the majority of the off-season.

I don't think he was ever 100% gone. I think he thinks he was.

I think we were genuine to trading him and would have if there was an offer and this was situation A for us.

I think situation B is that he has no takers which gives him a big reality check and our stance trying to offload him gives him a big kick up the arse.

I don't think we will be 100% committed to keeping him either. If players come up in the draft we like, we will pay players out and he will be on the list of who we pay out.

My gut feeling has always been that we keep him if there are no takers and this experience hopefully returns a better footballer to us.

I think end of next year, we offer him either a one year contract, two year contract that is front loaded where we can pay him out or we trade him after he has repaired his trade value. I think we will be happy with all these scenarios.

 

[Blue Pulse]

I think the thing I am looking forward to the most in Round 1 is "our gameplan". What is it, how will it pan out, will the new blood and attitude revive this group? Voss has said the gloves are off, let's see if he means it, players to be picked on form rather than name would be a great starting point.

I was so disappointed half way through the 2nd qtr last year to see nothing had changed and we allowed an inexperienced group to dictate the way the game was going to be played.

 

[No1Suspect]

Recon collingwood would do pick 11 for their 2026 1st?

Then head to WC with pick 9 for 13, 34 and 41

34 41 and 43 get pulled in a few spots and we may scrape in for an Ison bid after 25.....

 

[Bletch]

Could we see pick swaps with Essendon to move up the order? 9 and 11 for 5 and 21? Guarantee us a kid before Dean and use 21 plus the balance of other picks on Dean.

5 probably gets ahead of Dean, but is no guarantee. Using CT's September rankings, and the current draft order, the first round would look like this (obvs not paying attention to needs and the fact that rankings will change).

Round 1
1. WC - Duursma
2. GC - Uwland (match - 2233 pts. lose picks 15, 18, 24; gain pick ~40)
3. WC - Duff-Tytler
4. GC - Patterson (match - 1766 pts. lose original picks 28, 29, 36, 52)
5. Bris - Annable (match - 1615 pts. lose original picks 17, 23, 44)
6. Rich - Robey
7. Rich - X Taylor
8. Car - Dean (match - 1299. lose original picks 9, 11; gain 18)
9. Ess - Sharp
10. Ess - Schubert
11. Mel - Lindsay
12. Mel - Farrow
xx. Car - removed
13. Haw - Grlj
xx. Car - removed
14. GWS - Marsh
15. WC - Cumming
16. WB - Greeves
xx. GC - removed
17. Ade - Philipou
xx. Bri - removed
xx. GC - removed
18. Car - Dovaston (inserted)
19. Gee - Hibbins-Hargreaves
20. Fre - O Taylor
21. Ess - Ludowyke
22. Ess - Sweid (match - 683. lose picks 27, 30)
23. Syd - King (match - 570. lose picks 31, 32)
24. Haw - Nairn
xx. Bri - removed

Round 2
25. Car - Jack Ison (match - 507. lose original picks 43, 54 (now about 36, 47), deficit ~70)
...

This isn't a prediction by any means, it's just an example to show what we're looking at. And it's close to worst case for us with Dean at 8 and Ison at 25.

If we were to do the swap with Essendon (9 for 5), it only just gets us ahead of that bid, though I really don't expect Dean to go that high. What we don't know about yet though is whether the DVI changes might bring about a change in attitudes towards early bids on F/S and academy players. Bidding early can take a lot of the middle of the draft. For instance, Richmond at pick 3 might say "we've got 3, 4 then 38... what if we turn that 38 into a much higher pick?" then bid on all of the higher ranked F/S and academy picks to bring that 38 into the late 20s. Don't know, it's new territory, we'll find out draft night.

Anyway, long story short, if Essendon were prepared to that trade, it would be worth looking at. But we'd only do it if we were certain that a bid on Dean would come much later than in the scenario painted above, as pick 21 isn't going to get close to matching a bid if it comes in the top 10 - and our later picks won't help much either. So we may end up in deficit on the Dean bid alone, and unable to match Ison.

I'd think we'll probably be more cautious, and look to do some trading on our current picks for a better points spread, maybe sneak in an extra late round 1 pick, and/or maybe trade for a future round 1 pick. It's possible we may end up taking just Dean and Ison in the draft.

 

[chickendippas]

Would be targeting Melbourne for a pick swap. They might even do us a solid and not bid at 7 or 8.

Give them 11 for 34 and GCF1. Gives us another 360 points in addition to the 1,539 from Pick 9 and 43, plus 3 firsts next year. They get 3 picks in the top 10ish to kick start their rebuild.

If the DVI stays the same or similar, gives us points to match a bid for Cody at 1 even if all teams make the 8 (eg. 12, 14 and 18 add up to 3,000 points exactly before any discount).

We could slide 9 back for some more points as well just to be safe.

 

[myblueroan]

Think the 31st is the final list lodgement date; the Hollands situation is very interesting.

I thought he was gone, but part of me now thinks that they might hold out until then to see if he can keep clean through the majority of the off-season.

Tbh. I hope they do.
No matter how bad the situation has been, I'm all for a redemption arc. And especially with a player who has that x factor. Have loved watching him play.

Maybe the team can inflence Lij, rather than Lij influencing them.

 

[carlton_99]

Full Q&A: Every trade deal summed up, plus what's to come

Head of List Management Nick Austin sums up Carlton's 2025 trade period.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[ctwenty1]

Recon collingwood would do pick 11 for their 2026 1st?

Then head to WC with pick 9 for 13, 34 and 41

34 41 and 43 get pulled in a few spots and we may scrape in for an Ison bid after 25.....

Yeah would like to use one of this year’s first rounders into next years- even include Sydney F1 if we can get wce or north or Richmond. Reckon Essendon will hold on to theirs

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

The only way I can see us getting above a bid for dean is with Essendon. 9 and 11 for 6, 27 and 30. 27 and 30 will come in to 22 and 25 (1276 points) by the dean bid. That matches a bid at 9 which is where pick 6 will be after GC and Bris bids. We will also have enough points to match an Ison bid from 25. We need a handshake agreement with Essendon that they won’t bid the pick before. I don’t see Richmond bidding as they have several key position players. Essendon will then end with pick 8, 13, 15, and 19. Win win

Reckon that's a potential trade scenario that'd suit both us and Essendon. They have limited list spots available similar to ourselves, so could see them looking to get a few more picks at the top end.

 

[bradfisher14]

8. Car - Dean (match - 1299. lose original picks 9, 11; gain 18)

18. Car - Dovaston (inserted)

25. Car - Jack Ison (match - 507. lose original picks 43, 54 (now about 36, 47), deficit ~70)

Me if Austin pulls this off:

 

[marcmurphy3]

Recon collingwood would do pick 11 for their 2026 1st?

Then head to WC with pick 9 for 13, 34 and 41

34 41 and 43 get pulled in a few spots and we may scrape in for an Ison bid after 25.....

It was reported they were looking to get Hawthorns 1st (which is now ours) with their F1.

Id love their F1. Reckon itll fall earlier then everyone thinks.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

It was reported they were looking to get Hawthorns 1st (which is now ours) with their F1.

Id love their F1. Reckon itll fall earlier then everyone thinks.

I didn't hear about this... we should def try and get in their ear if that's the case...

 

[BlackGoanna]

5 probably gets ahead of Dean, but is no guarantee. Using CT's September rankings, and the current draft order, the first round would look like this (obvs not paying attention to needs and the fact that rankings will change).

Round 1
1. WC - Duursma
2. GC - Uwland (match - 2233 pts. lose picks 15, 18, 24; gain pick ~40)
3. WC - Duff-Tytler
4. GC - Patterson (match - 1766 pts. lose original picks 28, 29, 36, 52)
5. Bris - Annable (match - 1615 pts. lose original picks 17, 23, 44)
6. Rich - Robey
7. Rich - X Taylor
8. Car - Dean (match - 1299. lose original picks 9, 11; gain 18)
9. Ess - Sharp
10. Ess - Schubert
11. Mel - Lindsay
12. Mel - Farrow
xx. Car - removed
13. Haw - Grlj
xx. Car - removed
14. GWS - Marsh
15. WC - Cumming
16. WB - Greeves
xx. GC - removed
17. Ade - Philipou
xx. Bri - removed
xx. GC - removed
18. Car - Dovaston (inserted)
19. Gee - Hibbins-Hargreaves
20. Fre - O Taylor
21. Ess - Ludowyke
22. Ess - Sweid (match - 683. lose picks 27, 30)
23. Syd - King (match - 570. lose picks 31, 32)
24. Haw - Nairn
xx. Bri - removed

Round 2
25. Car - Jack Ison (match - 507. lose original picks 43, 54 (now about 36, 47), deficit ~70)
...

This isn't a prediction by any means, it's just an example to show what we're looking at. And it's close to worst case for us with Dean at 8 and Ison at 25.

If we were to do the swap with Essendon (9 for 5), it only just gets us ahead of that bid, though I really don't expect Dean to go that high. What we don't know about yet though is whether the DVI changes might bring about a change in attitudes towards early bids on F/S and academy players. Bidding early can take a lot of the middle of the draft. For instance, Richmond at pick 3 might say "we've got 3, 4 then 38... what if we turn that 38 into a much higher pick?" then bid on all of the higher ranked F/S and academy picks to bring that 38 into the late 20s. Don't know, it's new territory, we'll find out draft night.

Anyway, long story short, if Essendon were prepared to that trade, it would be worth looking at. But we'd only do it if we were certain that a bid on Dean would come much later than in the scenario painted above, as pick 21 isn't going to get close to matching a bid if it comes in the top 10 - and our later picks won't help much either. So we may end up in deficit on the Dean bid alone, and unable to match Ison.

I'd think we'll probably be more cautious, and look to do some trading on our current picks for a better points spread, maybe sneak in an extra late round 1 pick, and/or maybe trade for a future round 1 pick. It's possible we may end up taking just Dean and Ison in the draft.

Good summary.

It about where my calculations sit. I think we have 2 scenarios based on the amount of picks we take in this draft.

1/ slide pick 11 to 12 or 13 to get some extra points this year and safeguard our position with Dean and ISON. We would then take a 3rd draftee in the teens.

2/ trade pick 11 for late future first and some extra points this year to safeguard Dean and ISON. The extra future 1st give better coverage for walker and potentially additional pick range in 2026

Really depends on whether they rate the players in the teens this year and how many list spots they want to keep open.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Whats the chances if Flynn and White aren't retained due to no spots. We offer them a vfl contract and see how they go for maybe a spot on the seniors next year.

Carlton when they cut players due to no fault of their own. Do we help them still?
Really feel for them as I think they are worth persisting with. Very sad

I'd love to keep at least one of them, but of course lack of list spots.

With all due respect to them, we've currently got a few 'list cloggers' who likely would have been cut if they weren't contracted. Really can't see Boyd, Fog or Binns being part of our long term plans given the players we've brought in over the past few years. You could probably even throw Acres into that lot.

Right now, Gov fills a list need way more than any of those especially after the Buku trade went belly up, but may well get squeezed out. I do like the idea to re-rookie him though if there's a spot available. I actually rate him a lot higher than a lot of others, and could well flourish in the new look forward half as a mobile taller option - as opposed the previous where it was just bombing it to Charlie and H and hoping for the best.

 

[CaptainCharisma]

Seems like we tried to push Binns out in the trade period so I have a feeling he may be paid out with Florent and Chesser coming in, Cottrell returning and Acres not being traded. L Camporeale also provides wing depth.

Prefer to keep McGovern and Elijah but it seems like the club has made up its' mind on Lij.

White and F Young may be fighting for one spot.

 

[bluesDeluxe]

Listening to davies this morning, I think we will be looking for a KPD as a DFA as we missed on khamis

 

[ctwenty1]

What's everyone's preferences - trying to trade down lower to get another kid ahead of Dean, or another (or better) first rounder for 2026?

 

[Brezsa]

What's everyone's preferences - trying to trade down lower to get another kid ahead of Dean, or another (or better) first rounder for 2026?

First rounder for next year boat for me. Purely because we now have no 2nd or 3rd rounder next year. The two currently held 1st get chewed up for Walker, forced to take 3 players, we are looking at some very back ended talent next year as our final two forced picks, on what is not only a good draft, but the last uncompromised draft prior to Tassie.

Yes obviously we can get back into the 2nd and 3rd rounder over the next trade period (and this pick swap period), but I think it should be a priority.

 

[ctwenty1]

First rounder for next year boat for me. Purely because we now have no 2nd or 3rd rounder next year. The two currently held 1st get chewed up for Walker, forced to take 3 players, we are looking at some very back ended talent next year as our final two forced picks, on what is not only a good draft, but the last compromised draft prior to Tassie.

Yes obviously we can get back into the 2nd and 3rd rounder over the next trade period (and this pick swap period), but I think it should be a priority.

I think if we upgrade rookies to seniors that counts as a one of the three

 

[BlueJet]

What's everyone's preferences - trying to trade down lower to get another kid ahead of Dean, or another (or better) first rounder for 2026?

It wouldn't surprise me if we were able to get another prospect before a Dean bid, as is.