List Mgmt. 2025 List Management

[serial_thrilla]

 

[Boomer93]

C'mon Snuff, Draper is not a Pearce replacement. Pearce is a 201cm beast who can out muscle his opponent and is also quite quick. Draper will never be strong enough to play that role and I haven't seen evidence that we have anyone on our list that can.

We have the following developing KPDs: Davies, Nicholls, Murphy. Murphy is the only 200 cm player. All three players have potential but it is not guaranteed they will make it at the top level. It doesn't help that the clock is ticking on Pearce's contract. Locked in until 2027 conveniently when Tassie enters the comp.

Draper is only a few CMs shorter than Pearce and Pearce was just as skinny as Draper is now at the same age. I don't necessarily think Draper can turn in to the beast that is Pearce, but he may not be too far off, and might not have the same injury issues. I wouldn't write it off, there are some striking similarities.

 

[lint]

Using a Gold Coast player is a bad example though, they've got amazing depth. I'd say a few of their VFL players get games for AFL teams too, and Fiorini is one of them.

Ras may well be one of those types who never make the step up. Showed encouraging signs in his 2 games this year, but I'd be foolish to call him a sure thing. But even a team like Carlton with their horror depth, I think you're out of your mind if you think he don't get a game for them. They'd find a place for him somewhere. Let alone the true crappers like West Coast. That's the part specifically that I was contesting.

You mean the same Carlton team who recently let Matt Kennedy, Jack Carroll and Paddy Dow go because there were no spots for them in their midfield? I doubt it.

The issue, as many have pointed out, is what is Erasmus elite at? He doesn't have a "one wood" at the moment, be it marking, speed, kicking, evasian, handball, goal kicking or decision making. Until he does, perhaps stamina, sheer work rate and tackling aka a role tagging are his best bet at making it onto a list.

But even then he's not elite in those defensive midfielder areas yet. Each year that passes it seems his ceiling as a player decreases markedly while his floor (comparatively marginally) improves.

There is no doubt he will be a more than serviceable toiler at state level, possibly even an individual medal winner one day (Sandover/Magarey), but the chances of the sort of A grade AFL player that you'd like at pick 10 seem highly unlikely.

Players don't suddenly became great kicks after four years on a list, nor mysteriously develop elite speed and burst acceleration after a strong 4th pre-season.

I think by the end of this year, we will confidently know what level of player Neil Erasmus is.

 

[oldgoat]

Watch Lyon trade for him and make him an elite tagger..

Crowls 2.0
Can he pinch?

 

[oldgoat]

You mean the same Carlton team who recently let Matt Kennedy, Jack Carroll and Paddy Dow go because there were no spots for them in their midfield? I doubt it.

The issue, as many have pointed out, is what is Erasmus elite at? He doesn't have a "one wood" at the moment, be it marking, speed, kicking, evasian, handball, goal kicking or decision making. Until he does, perhaps stamina, sheer work rate and tackling aka a role tagging are his best bet at making it onto a list.

But even then he's not elite in those defensive midfielder areas yet. Each year that passes it seems his ceiling as a player decreases markedly while his floor (comparatively marginally) improves.

There is no doubt he will be a more than serviceable toiler at state level, possibly even an individual medal winner one day (Sandover/Magarey), but the chances of the sort of A grade AFL player that you'd like at pick 10 seem highly unlikely.

Players don't suddenly became great kicks after four years on a list, nor mysteriously develop elite speed and burst acceleration after a strong 4th pre-season.

I think by the end of this year, we will confidently know what level of player Neil Erasmus is.

Well put Lint.
What do think of the prospects for fixing Voss's goal kicking?

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

You mean the same Carlton team who recently let Matt Kennedy, Jack Carroll and Paddy Dow go because there were no spots for them in their midfield? I doubt it.

The issue, as many have pointed out, is what is Erasmus elite at? He doesn't have a "one wood" at the moment, be it marking, speed, kicking, evasian, handball, goal kicking or decision making. Until he does, perhaps stamina, sheer work rate and tackling aka a role tagging are his best bet at making it onto a list.

But even then he's not elite in those defensive midfielder areas yet. Each year that passes it seems his ceiling as a player decreases markedly while his floor (comparatively marginally) improves.

There is no doubt he will be a more than serviceable toiler at state level, possibly even an individual medal winner one day (Sandover/Magarey), but the chances of the sort of A grade AFL player that you'd like at pick 10 seem highly unlikely.

Players don't suddenly became great kicks after four years on a list, nor mysteriously develop elite speed and burst acceleration after a strong 4th pre-season.

I think by the end of this year, we will confidently know what level of player Neil Erasmus is.

But that's the point. These players got games for Carlton despite the fact that they couldn't go in midfield for them. Coz Carlton's around-the-ground depth has generally been awful. And now it's even worse. I don't think he'd play a predominant midfield role, but they'd shoehorn him somewhere on ability just like they've shoehorned inside mids in the past.

I'm saying this not as some great praise of Ras, but because the bottom half of their best 22 is deplorable.

 

[Docker82]

But that's the point. These players got games for Carlton despite the fact that they couldn't go in midfield for them. Coz Carlton's around-the-ground depth has generally been awful. And now it's even worse. I don't think he'd play a predominant midfield role, but they'd shoehorn him somewhere on ability just like they've shoehorned inside mids in the past.

I'm saying this not as some great praise of Ras, but because the bottom half of their best 22 is deplorable.

Always maintained that beyond their top 12 or so players, Carlton's list is absolutely terrible. I'm genuinely almost talking West Coast level.

Kennedy is the sort you're happy with occupying the last spot in your midfield. Strange decision to get rid of him and Owies when their depth is so poor. Carroll and Dow were no better at Carlton than Erasmus has been at Freo.

 

[Big Animal]

Dear Wallsy. We'll have another Murphy Reid type thanks. Or two. One about 200cm and another about 193cm. Should do it. #inwallswetrust #whenhaswallsletusdown #sowhydoweevenneedtoworrytalkingaboutitcausewallsyalwayscomesthroughwiththegoods

 

[mightymouse75]

MJ played a solid game.
He is slowly coming on.

Pretty stoked youngs coming back in.
We have missed those laser passes by foot in the corridor.

It's a bit strange Murphy is up there as 1 of our most reliable kicks & has only played 4 games.

And Bolton when he starts relaxing into our side.

That's 3 elite kicks in the midfeild pinpointing our forward line that is also starting to look ominous.

Plus Sturt who is not too shabby kicking on goal.

I don't want to see Fyfey back in unless he is kicking goals from 50m out at Peel.
And Walters, just rest him until finals.

 

[Dayts]

I’d be happy to see Ras go.
He’s never going to pop here so best of luck somewhere else.
I’d like to say Richmond. Be a more mature body and develop with a side who has more time.
might even be able to squeeze a 3rd from them

 

[pK75]

I’d be happy to see Ras go.
He’s never going to pop here so best of luck somewhere else.
I’d like to say Richmond. Be a more mature body and develop with a side who has more time.
might even be able to squeeze a 3rd from them

Don’t we already have Richmond’s 3rd from the Bolton trade? Fine by was a freo and Fyfe fan, couldn’t we bury the trade embargo with WC and do trade with some picks swapping hands to even it up?

 

[theGav56]

Why would he do this when he already has Windhager? Has taken out Rozee and Holmes recently.

He's good isn't he. Hopefully Longmuir does use Erasmus in a similar way. He could have a significant impact I reckon.

 

[Dayts]

Don’t we already have Richmond’s 3rd from the Bolton trade? Fine by was a freo and Fyfe fan, couldn’t we bury the trade embargo with WC and do trade with some picks swapping hands to even it up?

Oh yeh we do…
Send him and it back for second ?

 

[go_the_dockers]

Oh yeh we do…
Send him and it back for second ?

Richmond don't need an extra inside mid.

They have Taranto and Hopper.

 

[Lach72]

Real shame Dogga and Drizz are out this week with Young back.

I’m really keen to see how this group work together. May provide some further direction on Warner/Pickett.

Bolton running through the midfield is great for us. He’s quick and creative.

With Young back, do we need another Bolton type (Pickett) who can slot in seamlessly up front too, or another Young type (Warner) a line breaking midfielder who can kick goals?

I still think it’s Warner but our forward line since adding Bolton and Dudley looks so damn good, that adding Pickett into that mix becomes really tasty.

Pickett Amiss Dudley
Bolton Treacy Freddy

 

[Lach72]

Melbourne are in a spot of bother IMO.

No first round this year. Essendon has that.

Aging midfield who can’t kick, with a couple of younger kids in Langford, Lindsay and Windsor, Rivers who the knob of a coach is playing off half back again after he played well midfield next year.

Rumours they’re looking at Worpel who also can’t kick.

I reckon they need off load two of Trac, Oliver or Pickett to generate picks.

They need a full reboot before Tassie gets all the picks. I don’t think Pickett will cost as much as we expect.

 

[wakojako]

Melbourne are in a spot of bother IMO.

No first round this year. Essendon has that.

Aging midfield who can’t kick, with a couple of younger kids in Langford, Lindsay and Windsor, Rivers who the knob of a coach is playing off half back again after he played well midfield next year.

Rumours they’re looking at Worpel who also can’t kick.

I reckon they need off load two of Trac, Oliver or Pickett to generate picks.

They need a full reboot before Tassie gets all the picks. I don’t think Pickett will cost as much as we expect.

Well it comes down to what Pickett wants at the end of this season. I am leaning towards getting Chad based on the emergence of other players now.

 

[worsemim]

Real shame Dogga and Drizz are out this week with Young back.

I’m really keen to see how this group work together. May provide some further direction on Warner/Pickett.

I totally agree with Young in the midfield being necessary to evaluate our list needs. Slightly controversial opinion time: for longterm list composition, we need to see how our midfield looks with Sean Darcy in the ruck. I've been really impressed with Jackson's improvement re pure ruck work, but Darcy is on another level. You don't count on first use with Jackson, his strength is follow up around the ball. That equation is different with Sean Darcy's tapwork.

We need to evaluate how well our midfield performs with Sean Darcy taking the majority of the ruck contests, and whether we need further investment in that area.

 

[Purple Suit]

Melbourne are in a spot of bother IMO.

No first round this year. Essendon has that.

Aging midfield who can’t kick, with a couple of younger kids in Langford, Lindsay and Windsor, Rivers who the knob of a coach is playing off half back again after he played well midfield next year.

Rumours they’re looking at Worpel who also can’t kick.

I reckon they need off load two of Trac, Oliver or Pickett to generate picks.

They need a full reboot before Tassie gets all the picks. I don’t think Pickett will cost as much as we expect.

They badly need some tall fowards. They have done barely anything to address that problem and JVR seems to be feeling the pressure of being the only target up forward who should be able to mark it.

Reminds me of us in our rebuild years trying to replace Pav with an assortment of hacks. Melbourne won a flag with their hacks but Fritch kicking 6 goals went a long way to papering over the cracks. It's 4 seasons later and I don't think they have tried hard enough.

 

[Taylor]

Melbourne could trade Petracca, Oliver and Pickett for three first round picks total, bear with me. Clears a mountain of salary cap.

Then offer deals that can't be turned down to Oscar Allen, James Worpel, LDU and Ed Richards as free agents.

Then take their three first round picks to the draft.

Instant rebuild.

 

[Alfonz]

Richmond don't need an extra inside mid.

They have Taranto and Hopper.

And Jack Ross. And just drafted Smillie. Lalor is another bull, although maybe more of a hybrid/forward option than inside mid.

 

[Duz97]

Anyone else reckon if we could get tim Kelly next year for minimum wage could be the best thing for us. Blokes obviously hating life playing for the worst team in afl history atm but if he can find some love for the game again and get some standards that Serong and bray told Bolton to get he could big a major upgrade on JOM

 

[freo84]

Anyone else reckon if we could get tim Kelly next year for minimum wage could be the best thing for us. Blokes obviously hating life playing for the worst team in afl history atm but if he can find some love for the game again and get some standards that Serong and bray told Bolton to get he could big a major upgrade on JOM

No thanks. He had his chance.

 

[Taylor]

South Freo will be hopeful of regaining Tim Kelly's services in 2026 I'd think. Still AFL capable, but given the family situation there isn't much desire to move interstate.

 

[Alfonz]

Anyone else reckon if we could get tim Kelly next year for minimum wage could be the best thing for us. Blokes obviously hating life playing for the worst team in afl history atm but if he can find some love for the game again and get some standards that Serong and bray told Bolton to get he could big a major upgrade on JOM

Puke. The footage I saw from On The Couch was terrible. Opening minutes of the game and he is just aimlessly jogging around while his opponent runs hard and ends up being involved in an easy goal. Duggan was doing the same thing in another example where he simply stopped while his opponent Darcy Jones kept going and ended up kicking a goal.

Do not want any players from that club. More chance of them infecting our standards than the other way around. Their captains are a joke for effort and leadership. Baker and Graham have done nothing. Baker in fact was in the same footage as Kelly, just jogging around and not putting in the hard yards. Massive bullet dodged there.

Even if Kelly puts in, he's not going to be a major upgrade on JOM. They are basically the same age and height. Kelly can probably run a bit better if he can be bothered trying, but is not as strong and has worse disposal when compared with JOM.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

If you back your culture, Tim Kelly with his head screwed on would be nice off the HBF personally. Getting him for basically free in terms of cap and draft capital makes it even easier.

Never going to happen though