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You're skewing this in a particular direction to make a stronger point. Darcy is 100% playing vs. Crows and Pies. Only Geelong and Dogs is there a good case against.The people who are arguing to keep Darcy are missing one thing in all the comments I’ve read so far - what if he requests a trade?
I.e. he wants to leave Freo? Of course we don’t have any hard evidence that’s the case yet, but the noises are definitely heading in that direction from reputable people like Rhino and Cal Twomey. We can’t deny that.
As things sit currently he’s not gonna be a full time ruck for freo. He’s not gonna play every game as the number one ruck. Jackson has gone past him, like it or not.
The issue for Sean is that now become a specialist niche player that’s only required against certain clubs.
Every good AFL player wants to play every game.
If he leaves we will get a backup for $300k a year from the lower end of the ruck merry go round that’s happy to not play every game.
Going through the current top 9 - if we were playing a final tomorrow against these sides would Darcy start or would we go with Jackson as the number one ruck:
Collingwood (Cameron) -
Geelong (Stanley) -
Brisbane (McInerney) - possibly start Darcy
Adelaide (O’Brien) -
GWS (Briggs) -
Hawthorn (Meek) - you probably go with Darcy against Meek here
Bulldogs (English) -
Suns (Witts) -
I think there’s probably 4 of the 8 teams we’d start Darcy against tomorrow, if we were playing a final and wanted to pick the team to give us the best chance of winning. Against the team I’ve put anbeside - Luke Jackson is now the preferable number one ruck I reckon.
From his point of view, it’s very much a bit/part role that Darcy would play. He’s a second banana now.
Compare that with say, Essendon or Carlton if TDK and Draper leave. They will be saying to Sean - “come over here, you are gonna be our main guy. We are going to build this midfield around you for the next 5 years. Forget about the VFL or spending 50% of your time on the bench or in the forward line. You are our main man in the middle.”
That’s the choice most likely facing Darcy.
His fitness is the other issue. All the above is assuming he gets fully fit. I agree with Snuffaluphagus above - right now he’s worth something. Maybe it’s a future 2nd from Essendon or something like that.
If he’s here another year and has the same injuries - forget about any value. You are looking at pick 55 in the 2026 draft as a salary dump, and VERY possible paying some of his salary.
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I actually think this one of the few times you are being optimistic. If Darcy gets another injury, you are giving up a pick if you want to move him. Forget about anything coming back.The people who are arguing to keep Darcy are missing one thing in all the comments I’ve read so far - what if he requests a trade?
I.e. he wants to leave Freo? Of course we don’t have any hard evidence that’s the case yet, but the noises are definitely heading in that direction from reputable people like Rhino and Cal Twomey. We can’t deny that.
As things sit currently he’s not gonna be a full time ruck for freo. He’s not gonna play every game as the number one ruck. Jackson has gone past him, like it or not.
The issue for Sean is that now become a specialist niche player that’s only required against certain clubs.
Every good AFL player wants to play every game.
If he leaves we will get a backup for $300k a year from the lower end of the ruck merry go round that’s happy to not play every game.
Going through the current top 9 - if we were playing a final tomorrow against these sides would Darcy start or would we go with Jackson as the number one ruck:
Collingwood (Cameron) -
Geelong (Stanley) -
Brisbane (McInerney) - possibly start Darcy
Adelaide (O’Brien) -
GWS (Briggs) -
Hawthorn (Meek) - you probably go with Darcy against Meek here
Bulldogs (English) -
Suns (Witts) -
I think there’s probably 4 of the 8 teams we’d start Darcy against tomorrow, if we were playing a final and wanted to pick the team to give us the best chance of winning. Against the team I’ve put an
From his point of view, it’s very much a bit/part role that Darcy would play. He’s a second banana now.
Compare that with say, Essendon or Carlton if TDK and Draper leave. They will be saying to Sean - “come over here, you are gonna be our main guy. We are going to build this midfield around you for the next 5 years. Forget about the VFL or spending 50% of your time on the bench or in the forward line. You are our main man in the middle.”
That’s the choice most likely facing Darcy.
His fitness is the other issue. All the above is assuming he gets fully fit. I agree with Snuffaluphagus above - right now he’s worth something. Maybe it’s a future 2nd from Essendon or something like that.
If he’s here another year and has the same injuries - forget about any value. You are looking at pick 55 in the 2026 draft as a salary dump, and VERY possible paying some of his salary.
I even think you're being generous on those teams you'd play Darcy against. The only two rucks id definitely play him against no questions asked is Xerri and Witts
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I disagree completely. RoB is too shit and I'll back Jackson to go well enough against Cameron
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I just see from a holistic perspective that Darcy allows Voss to play full time forward, and gives us extra mid coverage with Jackson. Thus we have better mids playing more midfield minutes.
I am also backing Darcy in to improve, his best game so far was against North and I think he can keep contributing more in the run home.
I don't really mind either way, clearly Jackson solo rucking is great. Question is which arrangement allows other players to play at their absolute best, and that extends beyond Jackson. I'd back Jackson in to play mid/ruck and I really like Voss playing permanent forward. I also love having mids rotating through Brayshaw, Serong, Jackson, Bolton, Johnson, Wagner. To me, that's putting our best players in the most impactful positions.
It's not as simple as one or the other. It's a luxury to have this flexibility that allows us to pick the best game plan depending on who we're playing.
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i think the team just nailed one of the most important pieces, Reid locked in until 2029
the prospect of Youngy feeding him forward of the ball is mouthwatering
the prospect of Youngy feeding him forward of the ball is mouthwatering
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You'll have to explain this one sorry, not sure what you're getting at with Jackson injured and missing the game when we last played them
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Our coach put our clearance wins in that game down to Darcy running at nearly 40% hitouts to advantage and keeping O'Brien to under 24%. Sean was all over him where it mattered. We stiffled their scoring from back half with team defense and moved the ball via stoppage clearance.
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Might have to change my opinion after listening to Hoyney haha, but his stats are a bit affected by Jacksons best games - but Jackson solo ruck makes Freo a 10 goal better side apparently lol.
So Sean is reduced to a tool that we use to keep Jackson fresh.
It is definitely not that simple, but we've played some pretty great football with Jackson solo ruck.
So Sean is reduced to a tool that we use to keep Jackson fresh.
It is definitely not that simple, but we've played some pretty great football with Jackson solo ruck.
A quick 10 second snippet from the better down back podcast, which comes out tomorrow.
Joe Briety talking about Reid extending with Duff.
Confirmed again, long term his is a midfielder.
Duff said we rated Reid very highly e.g. a lot higher than the pick we took him. Joe dodged the question.
Increased Flexibility in the midfield, so we are not so dependent on Brayshaw and Serong. This should help if they are tagged.
Pearce transitioned to onfield running in the last few days. Needs to progress a lot further, to play this week but if he doesn't make it, we are very confident he will play next week.
Full podcast if you are interested.
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He will start progressing towards being a mid next year.
I think he will be the feeder and bloody good one at that.
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I think this just agree's with my point that ROB is shit (as indicated by Adelaide seemingly chasing Draper off an ACL) and that Jackson would murder him.
Jackson is much more than just a ruckman and has the attributes to play a very important role sharing the load with Darcy.
As was mentioned previously by another poster Jackson and Darcy being in the side allows Voss to play as a permanent forward. This in turn allows Treacy to move further up field and help our mid to forward connections.
It's a nice situation where Voss, Reid, Dudley and Bolton have all helped make our forward structure so dynamic.
As was mentioned previously by another poster Jackson and Darcy being in the side allows Voss to play as a permanent forward. This in turn allows Treacy to move further up field and help our mid to forward connections.
It's a nice situation where Voss, Reid, Dudley and Bolton have all helped make our forward structure so dynamic.
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I didn’t read it, but it’s a good question.
Plenty of fair points and opinions on here but it doesn’t change one thing.
Darcy will have to accept being a bit part player if he stays at freo vs being the main man in the ruck at any rival clubs that want to poach him.
Will he do that when it comes to the crunch? I’d be surprised.
Footy players want to play at the end of the day. He’s already missed more than enough games in his career though injury. Would be a brave call to accept missing even more though choice this time.
Darcy will have to accept being a bit part player if he stays at freo vs being the main man in the ruck at any rival clubs that want to poach him.
Will he do that when it comes to the crunch? I’d be surprised.
Footy players want to play at the end of the day. He’s already missed more than enough games in his career though injury. Would be a brave call to accept missing even more though choice this time.
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Funny how all the geniuses who thought the Darcy contract in the first place wasn’t totally idiotic , and 2 rucks can work are now tying themselves into twisties trying to come up with ways to keep him on the list at all
IF … IF ….IF ….IF …. IF
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I have said for a long time that O'Brien has been an underated player. He is a big dody that worries all other ruckman in the competition.He gets enough of the ball to feed it out.
I remember the job he did on NN in that famous phone leak game.On his phone it said to , Run, Run, Run. Which he did. He ran NN ragged all day.
The phone thing was a stunt by Telstra that back fired.
He also gives great protection to the mids at contests.
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