List Mgmt. 2025 List Management

[serial_thrilla]

 

[go_the_dockers]

Is he a clear upgrade on Noddy and Johnson? Particuarly for what our team needs?

Better skills than both I think.
Quicker than Johnson.

Having him pushing back into defensive 50 and running the ball out would be good.


Would prefer to bring in a small forward but you take what you can get.

Other option is he pushes out Worner, Walker or .. and we have more run and carry plus better skills in our back line.

Crows did brilliantly bringing in 3 B grade player. Just improved depth and let's them cover injuries that do occur.

 

[Stinky Lomax]

Johnson, Nod & McVee would be a good wing rotation. With Jom playing out there, he’d take his spot or free him up to get back as a mid rotation.
He’s best 22 here.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Do people think we keep playing 3 talls and 2 rucks next year?

If Darcy left , McVee could take his spot and then Voss and Jackson ruck.

 

[BStaff17]

So whose out of contract atm

Nat Fyfe - I suppose the next month may decide everything if he gets another soft tissue injury he may be done but If Fyfe wants to play on thats no problem for mine with Sonny retired. We can afford to keep Fyfe for 1 x year.

James Aish - Dare say he will be delisted/tapped on the shoulder.

Jeremy Sharp - This is an interesting was a main stay and now fallen out of favour at the worst possible time. Do we keep or delist. I probably keep him but all of sudden his future is in doubt

Liam Reidy - I dont think he stays

Quinton Narkle

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Quinton Narkle

Age

28

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

6.9

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

12.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.8

4star

- Not sure i suspect he will stay on

Oscar McDonald

21

Oscar Mcdonald

Age

30

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

191.4

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

3star

MG

157.7

3star

D

14.8

4star

K

5.4

2star

HB

9.4

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.4

3star

MG

138.4

3star

- 1 x Year extension provides good coverage for Moose. Probably wouldnt play both at the same time.

Karl Worner - 2-3 year extension likely i imagine seems like has bought into what JL wants and a mainstay for the time being.

Odin Jones - Gone

Neil Erasmus - Trade likely

Jack Delean - Gone

So from that i have Aish, Jones, Delean gone with Reidy a possibilty.

I think the rest stay on

 

[Taylor]

Do people think we keep playing 3 talls and 2 rucks next year?

If Darcy left , McVee could take his spot and then Voss and Jackson ruck.

....and we don't play finals

Our current structure works.

The issue with McVee is that he comes into the side as a halfback/wing and we have players in that depth list at the moment who are contracted.
Assuming Chapman, Pearce, Cox, Ryan, Clark are locks in the back fifty then Simpson, Walker are both contracted already and not in the side.

I don't think we are going to be tight for list spots losing Walters, Fyfe, Aish, Delean, potentially Erasmus but it might be wise to consider McVee as an upgrade in swap option for Simpson etc.

Is it worth the draft value on top of Simpson etc to upgrade that list spot to McVee? Will he be wasted on the fat side wing?

 

[go_the_dockers]

So whose out of contract atm

Nat Fyfe - I suppose the next month may decide everything if he gets another soft tissue injury he may be done but If Fyfe wants to play on thats no problem for mine with Sonny retired. We can afford to keep Fyfe for 1 x year.

James Aish - Dare say he will be delisted/tapped on the shoulder.

Jeremy Sharp - This is an interesting was a main stay and now fallen out of favour at the worst possible time. Do we keep or delist. I probably keep him but all of sudden his future is in doubt

Liam Reidy - I dont think he stays

Quinton Narkle - Not sure i suspect he will stay on

Oscar McDonald - 1 x Year extension provides good coverage for Moose. Probably wouldnt play both at the same time.

Karl Worner - 2-3 year extension likely i imagine seems like has bought into what JL wants and a mainstay for the time being.

Odin Jones - Gone

Neil Erasmus - Trade likely

Jack Delean - Gone

So from that i have Aish, Jones, Delean gone with Reidy a possibilty.

I think the rest stay on

Erasmus and Sharp are interesting.

Would prefer to keep both as depth but can't guarantee either are best 22 so both may leave.

Losing both would hurt depth badly

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I'd have my 23 (sub is all but dead) for next year as it stands being

Ryan Pearce Simpson
Chapman Cox Clark
Johnson Brayshaw Young
Switta Treacy Freddy
Bolton Amiss Voss

Darcy Jackson Serong

Wagner Noddy Reid JOM Worner

Banfield and Walker extremely unlucky but I suppose looking at that McVee could be close to guaranteed best 23. Walker, Worner and Banfield interchangeable in my team with the option to take their spot.

Edit: missed Wagner

 

[Taylor]

Erasmus and Sharp are interesting.

Would prefer to keep both as depth but can't guarantee either are best 22 so both may leave.

Losing both would hurt depth badly

If Sharp leaves on a good deal we could find ourselves with a pick that we don't deserve for losing him too.

 

[Big Animal]

So whose out of contract atm

Nat Fyfe - I suppose the next month may decide everything if he gets another soft tissue injury he may be done but If Fyfe wants to play on thats no problem for mine with Sonny retired. We can afford to keep Fyfe for 1 x year.

James Aish - Dare say he will be delisted/tapped on the shoulder.

Jeremy Sharp - This is an interesting was a main stay and now fallen out of favour at the worst possible time. Do we keep or delist. I probably keep him but all of sudden his future is in doubt

Liam Reidy - I dont think he stays

Quinton Narkle - Not sure i suspect he will stay on

Oscar McDonald - 1 x Year extension provides good coverage for Moose. Probably wouldnt play both at the same time.

Karl Worner - 2-3 year extension likely i imagine seems like has bought into what JL wants and a mainstay for the time being.

Odin Jones - Gone

Neil Erasmus - Trade likely

Jack Delean - Gone

So from that i have Aish, Jones, Delean gone with Reidy a possibilty.

I think the rest stay on

if Aish is going, you'd think this week would be a good send off game.

 

[Docker82]

So whose out of contract atm

Nat Fyfe - I suppose the next month may decide everything if he gets another soft tissue injury he may be done but If Fyfe wants to play on thats no problem for mine with Sonny retired. We can afford to keep Fyfe for 1 x year.

James Aish - Dare say he will be delisted/tapped on the shoulder.

Jeremy Sharp - This is an interesting was a main stay and now fallen out of favour at the worst possible time. Do we keep or delist. I probably keep him but all of sudden his future is in doubt

Liam Reidy - I dont think he stays

Quinton Narkle - Not sure i suspect he will stay on

Oscar McDonald - 1 x Year extension provides good coverage for Moose. Probably wouldnt play both at the same time.

Karl Worner - 2-3 year extension likely i imagine seems like has bought into what JL wants and a mainstay for the time being.

Odin Jones - Gone

Neil Erasmus - Trade likely

Jack Delean - Gone

So from that i have Aish, Jones, Delean gone with Reidy a possibilty.

I think the rest stay on

Think you've got to put a watch on Will Brodie as well.

Players aren't paid out very often league wide but having a 27 year old who hasn't played in two and half seasons despite having minimal injuries is borderline unprecedented.

Don't think there's anything stopping us from cutting him outside of his contract situation. I don't think Erasmus leaving for example changes one thing - Getting an Erasmus level player for depth who is older and not a former first round pick shouldn't be an impossible task. Two and a half years is enough evidence that Brodie won't step up to play the games Erasmus has this year.

 

[millsy]

I'd have my 23 (sub is all but dead) for next year as it stands being

Ryan Pearce Simpson
Chapman Cox Clark
Johnson Brayshaw Young
Switta Treacy Freddy
Bolton Amiss Voss

Darcy Jackson Serong

Walker Noddy Reid JOM Worner

Banfield extremely unlucky but I suppose looking at that McVee could be close guaranteed best 23. Walker, Worner and Banfield interchangeable in my team with the option to take their spot

Wagner an oversight or a deliberate omission? Not nitpicking, but might be relevant as he's ahead of Walker or Worner for mine for balance (i.e. more flexible player in a 23 man set up) and maybe clouds the McVee discussion a little bit given potential cost v current depth.

 

[Docker82]

if Aish is going, you'd think this week would be a good send off game.

Not sure he'll get one tbh. Sure Aish was probably a better player but if hes getting one then someone like Ethan Hughes should've got one based off games played for the club.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Wagner an oversight or a deliberate omission? Not nitpicking, but might be relevant as he's ahead of Walker or Worner for mine for balance (i.e. more flexible player in a 23 man set up) and maybe clouds the McVee discussion a little bit given potential cost v current depth.

Oversight, knew I was missing someone. Makes it harder for McVee to be guaranteed 23.

Someone is always injured but is he a big enough upgrade on the last spot in the 23 to justify chasing like this? Not convinced

 

[Big Animal]

Not sure he'll get one tbh. Sure Aish was probably a better player but if hes getting one then someone like Ethan Hughes should've got one based off games played for the club.

yeah, he should have got one too (but we were struggling to win at the end when we desperately needed to. If we lose to WC this week, we should shut up shop)

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

What about future first for McVee and Melbourne's #24?

Then we have #12, #24 and #30 to offer someone 24 (621) and 30 (454) = 1075 points (pick #14) in trade for their academy and father sons prior to the draft?

Using Twomey:
#1 Gold Coast Academy
#2
#3
#4 Gold Coast Academy
#5 Brisbane Academy
#6
#7
#8
#9
#10 Carlton F/S
#11
#12
#13
#14 Sydney Academy
#15
#16
#17 <- This is our current pick #12
#18
#19
#20 Collingwood Academy
#21
#22 Essendon Academy
#23 Gold Coast Academy

From the sounds of it, that's worse than the inverse. If Lucas Robinson is amazing, the F1 might be needed to generate points. And if he falls, apparently next year's draft is significantly more hyped than this year's. Plus who knows who becomes available next year. Don't wanna dip into future assets.

I share the disgust others have at trading a 1st, but if the choice is between trading our current and our future 1st, I'm trading this year's.

 

[freoextra]

Not sure he'll get one tbh. Sure Aish was probably a better player but if hes getting one then someone like Ethan Hughes should've got one based off games played for the club.

Agreed, I like what Aish provided to Freo but he is not “send off” type of player save that for Fyfe in the Brisbane game if he is not making the team by then. Have a feeling, however, that Fyfe won’t have one and will disappear into the sunset at the end of the year.

 

[Taylor]

From the sounds of it, that's worse than the inverse. If Lucas Robinson is amazing, the F1 might be needed to generate points. And if he falls, apparently next year's draft is significantly more hyped than this year's. Plus who knows who becomes available next year. Don't wanna dip into future assets.

I share the disgust others have at trading a 1st, but if the choice is between trading our current and our future 1st, I'm trading this year's.

I agree, it's not a single year question and we need to be smart about the future.

The way I see it, Gold Coast, Brisbane, Carlton and potentially Sydney are all looking at their picks being consumed by matching bids - so there is the possibility that picks #8, #9, #11, #17, #18, #29, #35 are all on the table and up for grabs.

Pinching an extra top ten pick this season, grabbing someone like Josh Lindsay, before going into the hopeful finals window and not having any good picks again for five years thanks to Tasmania - it might be the difference.

 

[Nodgey]

My concern with McVee is his first name. Makes me vomit in my mouth a little.

 

[freodog]

Do people think we keep playing 3 talls and 2 rucks next year?

If Darcy left , McVee could take his spot and then Voss and Jackson ruck.

We have shown the current structure can & does work. If the AFL changes the rules to 5 on the interchange bench (no sub) I think every team would play 2 rucks.

 

[Alfonz]

And while I like McVee I honestly dont think he's guaranteed best 22. Who would you definitively play him over as it stands?

I wouldn't say he is guaranteed best 22, but the same could be said about Worner, Banfield, Walker, Sharp, Simpson. Even Johnson, NOD, Wagner (though they seem more cemented in the side). The more competition the better.

McVee would sit somewhere amongst the group above. I'm not sure where, and things can also change quickly (e.g. Wagner would have gone from the near the bottom to near the top of that group above).

We also have to consider JOM and Ryan are going to need replacing over the coming years.

McVee has to weigh up if he wants to fight for a spot in a good side, or walk into a crap side (be it Melbourne or WC) and get flogged most weeks.

 

[bellie4pm]

From the sounds of it, that's worse than the inverse. If Lucas Robinson is amazing, the F1 might be needed to generate points. And if he falls, apparently next year's draft is significantly more hyped than this year's. Plus who knows who becomes available next year. Don't wanna dip into future assets.

I share the disgust others have at trading a 1st, but if the choice is between trading our current and our future 1st, I'm trading this year's.

Think the tassie team complicates this

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I wouldn't say he is guaranteed best 22, but the same could be said about Worner, Banfield, Walker, Sharp, Simpson. Even Johnson, NOD, Wagner (though they seem more cemented in the side). The more competition the better.

McVee would sit somewhere amongst the group above. I'm not sure where, and things can also change quickly (e.g. Wagner would have gone from the near the bottom to near the top of that group above).

We also have to consider JOM and Ryan are going to need replacing over the coming years.

McVee has to weigh up if he wants to fight for a spot in a good side, or walk into a crap side (be it Melbourne or WC) and get flogged most weeks.

Yeah I suppose my point is two-fold:
1) McVee and his management is smart enough to know he's not necessarily a walk-up here, decreasing the chance he asks for a trade.
2) We should not be paying guaranteed best 22 prices for an out of contract, not guaranteed best 22 player...

Additionally, why the **** are WC not all over him....

 

[_007_]

And while I like McVee I honestly dont think he's guaranteed best 22. Who would you definitively play him over as it stands?

Ryan Pearce Walker
Chapman Cox Clark
Wagner Young McVee
Reid Treacy Switkowski
Amiss Voss Bolton

Darcy Jackson Brayshaw

Serong Frederick Johnson O'Driscoll

 

[Superkoops]

if Aish is going, you'd think this week would be a good send off game.

We’re not a charity. There won’t be farewell games until the season is over. Unfortunately for the likes of Fyfe if they’re not good enough then they keep playing at Peel. Hopefully he dominates at Peel and can force his way in.

As for Aish likely he will try to go on. As indicated the club prob don’t offer him a contract but his agent might see if there is a club interested. Either way whilst the season is alive there won’t be a farewell game.

Hopefully our last game is deep into September. As such we won’t be having farewell games.

These guys will announce their intentions at the end of the season.

Farewell games are for clubs out of contention like WC and Carlton. WC can run a bunch of Farewell games. They could start this week:
Petruccelli, Chesser, Jamieson

 

[_007_]

Ryan Pearce Walker
Chapman Cox Clark
Wagner Young McVee
Reid Treacy Switkowski
Amiss Voss Bolton

Darcy Jackson Brayshaw

Serong Frederick Johnson O'Driscoll

Oh no I forgot your boy Cooper.

Cooper in for someone who would feel pretty hard done by. Johnson, O'Driscoll or maybe Fred.