List Mgmt. 2025 List Management

[serial_thrilla]

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Well your a mod, go on then.
We needed Judd, seems like a no brainer, how would you have made it happen?

Im a trade board mod now, no longer Freo board mod. I would have waited until the last day, seen where the busiest trade period of all time lands, got involved in 100 phone calls from other list managers and found a trade that works better for Freo.

And if somehow absolutely nothing came up in all that Id have offered Melbourne pick 33 and a future 3rd and say have it.

 

[Docker82]

Can someone outline our NGAs and projected pick.

We keep mentioning Whan. Is he just a match with 46.

What are we doing with 19?

I expect Pick 46 to be inside Pick 40 on draft night tbh. Whan doesn't go before that pick.

Our other NGA boys won't attract a bid but I think there's enough there with Luke and Phillips to get added to our Category B list.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Have you tried the sand down at the ARC?

Im pretty sure the ants would NOT help my mood

 

[s_wd6]

Indeed, but now you see why you as an accountant find it so grating.

I don't grade based on a notion of pick value because a sports draft is not a known system like an economy. There's no good or bad in this, only outcome matters.

No one cares we had pick 17 last year because the outcome was Reid. If our outcome this year is Rodriguez, Whan, and McVee, plus an SSP and they all work out, then outcome has trumped faux pick value.

It is a waste of energy to be upset about something when you only have a small fraction of the full picture of information.

I'm very happy we got McVee who clearly improves our squad. I would also be very happy to pick up Fred and Toby, ergo I don't give a shit about 200 points of pick value.

Ok but you realise we can end up with those three players this year while also having moved 33 into next year for extra points and there was no reason to give it up in this trade specifically?

 

[mattis117]

Ok but you realise we can end up with those three players this year while also having moved 33 into next year for extra points and there was no reason to give it up in this trade specifically?

I don't really understand where you're getting that hidden value from. Ostensibly we have dropped a few hundred points of pick value, far below what would be required for a future second.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Indeed, but now you see why you as an accountant find it so grating.

I don't grade based on a notion of pick value because a sports draft is not a known system like an economy. There's no good or bad in this, only outcome matters.

No one cares we had pick 17 last year because the outcome was Reid. If our outcome this year is Rodriguez, Whan, and McVee, plus an SSP and they all work out, then outcome has trumped faux pick value.

It is a waste of energy to be upset about something when you only have a small fraction of the full picture of information.

I'm very happy we got McVee who clearly improves our squad. I would also be very happy to pick up Fred and Toby, ergo I don't give a shit about 200 points of useless pick value, much the same as I wouldn't bother to stop and pick up a $2 coin.

I am happy we got McVee for a reasonable price. If you are not going to be pissed off at the pick trade as it stands we shouldnt bother discussing trades because there is nothing the club can do that is not just worthy of praise

 

[mattis117]

Im a trade board mod now, no longer Freo board mod. I would have waited until the last day, seen where the busiest trade period of all time lands, got involved in 100 phone calls from other list managers and found a trade that works better for Freo.

And if somehow absolutely nothing came up in all that Id have offered Melbourne pick 33 and a future 3rd and say have it.

Do you think your trade board ego is affecting your mood

 

[Moist Biscuit]

No, you're just acting like an accountant.

You don't have to be an accountant to realise you've been ripped off.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Do you think your trade board ego is affecting your mood

I havent even gone on there the last few hours, I might throw my phone out the windows if I did

 

[mattis117]

I am happy we got McVee for a reasonable price. If you are not going to be pissed off at the pick trade as it stands we shouldnt bother discussing trades because there is nothing the club can do that is not just worthy of praise

The world is not black and white. Not being upset does not mean one is happy. I'm happy at the outcome.

When it comes to the first trade I am no emotion at all. It is neither good nor bad, it is just a mechanism to make other things happen.

There is such a sense of having to win everything despite the data that you're using to determine value being hugely flawed.

 

[mattis117]

You don't have to be an accountant to realise you've been ripped off.

It's a joke because he is actually an accountant . I'm enjoying pushing buttons because I think it's amusing that people are upset at this.

 

[Deathly]

Jump back on.

3 new pages on here over losing value on some picks in a shit draft.
1 new post over yet another nepo hire.

You guys clearly have shit priorities and don't care about success.

 

[Tonga Bob]

The only extra gear I have is getting mean which its taking every bone in my body not to do. Though "shit-sipper" and seeing people liked it really had me straining.

Not all heroes wear capes

 

[s_wd6]

I don't really understand where you're getting that hidden value from. Ostensibly we have dropped a few hundred points of pick value, far below what would be required for a future second.

Point is there were better uses for 33 than trading it away for a trade that didn't need it

 

[freo_leo29]

I thought the weirdness with the late picks meant there was a piece missing but I just realised he's probably throwing out all the late picks out because we only need one to match a bid/draft Whan and apart from him we're only using one pick this draft.

We're not getting anything back. It's just wholesale.

Imagine Whan gets bid on early from here and we don't have the points

 

[Cesoir]

Jump back on.

3 new pages on here over losing value on some picks in a shit draft.
1 new post over yet another nepo hire.

You guys clearly have shit priorities and don't care about success.

Accepting mediocrity.

 

[Purple Jesus]

If he was banning you, it was definitely earned

Show me on the doll where I hurt you Snuff

 

[Tonga Bob]

I havent even gone on there the last few hours, I might throw my phone out the windows if I did

Safest place for you right now is to be in the Warriors match thread. No trades there, plus you get to make fun of Falconista

 

[Taylor]

If Freo doesn't believe there will be value in this draft after the top 30 then there's not going to be many/any clubs who do so the value of those picks aren't as subjective, they may be objectively, league wide, trash.

If we are picking one player in the draft, Rodriguez, and then waiting for a Whan bid before ducking out with extra rookie spots to have train ons then so be it. The end result is the same, McVee will play for Freo, Rodriguez plays for Freo and Whan plays for Freo.

I've always subscribed to the theory that if you want the player, just pick them with what you've got but I know many here want better value, selling the pick for a later one and something else - but ultimately the end result here is the same.

We may have a late pick, we probably won't. The players late in the draft usually don't make it and even less do in teams performing.

We might be tight on players to delist next year, probably better not to have 2 year contracts on so many.

 

[s_wd6]

Imagine Whan gets bid on early from here and we don't have the points

Lowkey I'd take that if it means everyone's actively melting on here. Keeps it interesting.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

The world is not black and white. Not being upset does not mean one is happy. I'm happy at the outcome.

When it comes to the first trade I am no emotion at all. It is neither good nor bad, it is just a mechanism to make other things happen.

There is such a sense of having to win everything despite the data that you're using to determine value being hugely flawed.

Strong strawman argument. Im not arguing to win everything. I actively dont argue to win everything acknowledging its about the net outcome on trades multiple times over the years.

Ive explained it enough without even getting into the fact that they did this trade day 2 of trade period rather than wait it out for an uncontracted player.

I am staggered anyone who has any interest in trades and list management does not think it matters and its fine as it stands. Like I said, im now more angry/confused/bewildered with those on here who thinks its fine than the trade itself.

If the trade is updated before it goes through tomorrow I'll redirect my anger from the club to Twomey and I'll apologise to everyone of you I argued with if at any time this trade period another club trades down the higher pick for LESS points.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

It is a waste of energy to be upset about something when you only have a small fraction of the full picture of information.

Yeppers. We have no idea what actually goes on behind closed doors and the only info about negotiations in trades comes when it is deliberately leaked by one party or another.

Jump back on.

3 new pages on here over losing value on some picks in a shit draft.
1 new post over yet another nepo hire.

You guys clearly have shit priorities and don't care about success.

Don't clap! That's accepting mediocrity!

 

[fnerd]

Ready for Whan to be bid on now inside the top 40 and we have to scramble for some points we threw away…

By the eagles no less!

 

[Dayts]

Accepting mediocrity.

#mindset

 

[freo_leo29]

The only reason I'm not angry/upset about this is because I'm absolutely baffled


This is simply a trade that makes 0 sense

Upgrading 10 spots in the second round for a 7 spot drop in the first round makes absolutely 0 sense
AND we then go on to downgrade our third round pick 2 spots, so we have lost component 1 by a margin and then added something on top, crazy bad
AND we then throw in pick 50 as a bonus.

It defies logic

There isn't a single redeeming thing about the trade, I 100% see why Snuff is going so hard over it, its genuinely illogical