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[serial_thrilla]

 

[Docker82]

They probably left it late so we had the night to get over it before it becomes official

It'd be hilarious to watch this board backflip if there's more to this trade and it suddenly looks alright.

Even though I think we've most likely just done this to get McVee in the door ASAP (Which doesn't matter as long as it's done by Wednesday next week).

 

[fnerd]

They probably left it late so we had the night to get over it before it becomes official

Or they left it deliberately to rage bait freo fans into clicks and AFL media interactions before revealing the missing pick* that placates us all!!
And all you ungrateful plebs will be forced to apologise to poor David

* yes I know there will be no such thing

 

[mattis117]

No, he is out of contract and we are 2 days into the trade period

Are you suggesting all options have been exhausted already?

There are a shit tonne of pick swaps that are going to come, Dees likely end up with 14, we could have slid to that later in the period (I still wouldn't like it but its a hell of a lot better than this)

GC will be flipping picks for points throughout the period.

Carlton will be chasing points throughout the period.

Port have been rumoured to want out of the draft so will have picks up for swap as the period drags on.

Your logic only applies if McVee was contracted, it also makes 0 excuse for not waiting to see how this period plays out with so many trades yet to go through (which means a lot of picks changing hands and opening doors)

You're not stating any concrete ideas other than we could have waited. Yep, could have, but we moved now because the opportunity with west coast and Brisbane had a timer.

All the negative comments are predicated on an assumption that 33 is a valuable pick. We don't even know if 23 is a valuable pick. Look at the Chapman draft, nearly every pick was trash.

There was a clear avenue to pick up a known quantity player. We decided to take it instead of waste time trying to pick the bones out of draft points. They are now free to pursue other goals that are unknown to us.

 

[freo_leo29]

Let's actually wait for the paperwork to get lodged...

I want to huff this copium but its been reported over 5 hours ago, if it was changing then something would have leaked from any of the 3 camps

 

[freo_leo29]

Or they left it deliberately to rage bait freo fans into clicks and AFL media interactions before revealing the missing pick* that placates us all!!
And all you ungrateful plebs will be forced to apologise to poor David

* yes I know there will be no such thing

Man thats good stuff

 

[Cobbler]

Here’s my best guess.

Brisbane and Eagles couldn’t quite come to terms for Starcevich. The Allen compensation was compromised. There’s a rush as free agency closes Friday.

They needed a third team to do a trade as a place holder type scenario. To ensure everyone was kept in line.

Freo came in. Saved the deal. It will net Eagles that 2nd pick for Allen.

The ‘rewards’ are yet to come. May need that Allen deal to come through, not that we will be linked to that in any way.

Literally nothing else makes sense.

Brisbane could’ve just done Starcevich with Eagles.

We could’ve found a way to deal McVee.

The rush has to be linked to free agency ending Friday.

It’s weird how that free agency deal is yet to be completed.

It’s all linked.

Otherwise we’ve just helped out 2 teams for absolutely no reason AND don’t give me the ‘we needed to find a pick for McVee’ rubbish.

There’s a second part to this. I’m guaranteeing it.

 

[mattis117]

Thats possibly the scarier part, if nothing else comes of trade period, there's half a chance it was out of abject laziness...

Ill reserve that melt for after trade period though because if a bunch of people think im melting now...

That's pretty unfair. One reason I am fighting the opposite side here is Walls deserves more than people just assuming he's a trade dunce. He's built a great list and I'm thankful for the great work he has done.

We won the Clark trade, we did well with Jackson, and Bolton may be our match winner next year.

We're in a position where it is hard to identify list gaps and we we have a low standard deviation in age.

This reputation on here that he is bad at trades is both stupid and tainting opinion of current and future trades.

Walls is the one bloke at Freo who has absolutely earned respect.

 

[s_wd6]

You're not stating any concrete ideas other than we could have waited. Yep, could have, but we moved now because the opportunity with west coast and Brisbane had a timer.

All the negative comments are predicated on an assumption that 33 is a valuable pick. We don't even know if 23 is a valuable pick. Look at the Chapman draft, nearly every pick was trash.

There was a clear avenue to pick up a known quantity player. We decided to take it instead of waste time trying to pick the bones out of draft points. They are now free to pursue other goals that are unknown to us.

In that same deal and giving up 33 we could’ve ended up with:

16,22
16,23
19,22/F2,23

And on top of that we could’ve kept our 44 instead of downgrading it for no reason at all

 

[jinxd]

The only reason I'm not really upset is I don't think this draft is any good. I'm no expert, of course, but from couple of vids I've watched of the top bunch... Well, I think you'd be better off picking from the state leagues.

 

[Randomizor]

Have the people knocking this trade considered:

The club is infallible. Nobody working for us in any capacity has ever made a mistake. They are football genius gods walking amongst us mere mortals.

The only reason we don’t have a premiership is due to pure bad luck. Never ever the competency, or lack thereof, of the people at our club. That and the AFL actively screwing us by… by… well I’m sure I’ll have an example later.

But the club is perfect. Leave it alone.

 

[The Lobbster]

That's pretty unfair. One reason I am fighting the opposite side here is Walls deserves more than people just assuming he's a dunce. He's built a great list and I'm thankful for the great work he has done.

We won the Clark trade, we did well with Jackson, and Bolton may be our match winner next year.

We're in a position where it is hard to identify list gaps and we we have a low standard deviation in age.

This reputation on here that he is bad at trades is both stupid and tainting opinion of current and future trades.

You don’t have to like or even understand the trades but to suggest it was done so our list manager could have an early holiday is borderline insulting. A true Flagmantle nuffy level melt.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

That's pretty unfair. One reason I am fighting the opposite side here is Walls deserves more than people just assuming he's a trade dunce. He's built a great list and I'm thankful for the great work he has done.

We won the Clark trade, we did well with Jackson, and Bolton may be our match winner next year.

We're in a position where it is hard to identify list gaps and we we have a low standard deviation in age.

This reputation on here that he is bad at trades is both stupid and tainting opinion of current and future trades.

Walls is the one bloke at Freo who has absolutely earned respect.

I'm not arguing this part until after trade period because yes, it is unfair until having all the pieces.

 

[guidodp15]

Pickett looks a hell of a lot better than Kickett tbh


Kickett a good chance to make it to the rookie draft


Plus who says we can't take both

I'd like Kickett for nostalgic reasons......

I want to huff this copium but its been reported over 5 hours ago, if it was changing then something would have leaked from any of the 3 camps

well cal added eagles giving up 22 as well after he made his inidial tweet. Seems like we took the first offer to facilitate McVee, trade looks worse because it was on day 2 imo

 

[DockerDerek]

We should have held out for trading down 12 to 16 with the 2nd round upgrade from 33 to 23.

Bris would then be stuck with 22 for Starcevich and no first round upgrade but too bad, they are making like bandits anyway. We could have still thrown Bris the small change in the 40s/50.

Anyone got Wallsy’s number?

 

[Vimal Anand]

Can fergus Mcfayden be matched by brisbane?

 

[Freoforever86]

so, which sliding top pick do we grab at 19 & goes on to win the rising star

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

s_wd6 I do not understand how you can read the absolutely moronic takes on reddit and keep your cool.

 

[mattis117]

In that same deal and giving up 33 we could’ve ended up with:

16,22
16,23
19,22/F2,23

And on top of that we could’ve kept our 44 instead of downgrading it for no reason at all

Again, I don't understand it but what I do understand is that information is missing and it is stupid to get upset over things when we don't actually know what has happened and what will happen. If 44 is completely useless to us then we just threw it in for free, so what? We are matching Whan anyway. Oh diddums we could have gotten a few points elsewhere? No proof of that. 44 is ostensibly worthless league wide.

If we kept 44 then passed on draft night how is it different to giving it away? Some semblance of don't give a leg up to your competition? Who cares.

We will not pick Whan at 44 because we will wait to see if he slides to the rookie draft.

The one thing we know for sure is Walls knows where the value lies in the draft and he always positions us where he thinks we can get value. I have no doubt he has a player primed and ready for that pick 19.
It appears to me that we are only taking two picks in this draft.

 

[DeadEyeJye]

I actually went to high school with Wallsy (he was a year above me loll

He is a quality lad.

Also being so called easy/flexible at the trade table will make it easier for agents to recommend their star free agent players to join your club btw, Essendon for example only recruited one big name star to their club during Dodoro's reign (Brendan Goddard) and that was because he was a free agent.

Being reasonable at the trade table will result in more big names be willingly traded to Freo (although granted, i understand your angst given Freo's previous trading history)

You have to give up quality to get quality in today's AFL (especially if you are in the premiership window like Freo)

Didn't Wallsy also engineer the fleecing of Geelong for Jordan Clark (which imo was low key one of the best value bargain trades in the last 10 years) ?

No recruiting manager is flawless or perfect, but I honestly happen to believe Wallsy's record in the last 5 years stacks up as well as a anyone else in the AFL, especially given your club's finishing position and lack of father son and academy picks.

I'll see myself out now, but i genuinely wish Freo all the best and think you guys should be very.excited/optimistic for 2026 and the future.

I am honestly jelly of your club's current list compared to mine

You dont happen to have his address do you? I think Snuffaluphagus was hoping to catch up for a BBQ and a few beers.....

 

[s_wd6]

s_wd6 I do not understand how you can read the absolutely moronic takes on reddit and keep your cool.

The trick is never to go on there when I’m not happy with the club

 

[s_wd6]

Again, I don't understand it but what I do understand is that information is missing and it is stupid to get upset over things when we don't actually know what has happened and what will happen. If 44 is completely useless to us then we just threw it in for free, so what? We are matching Whan anyway. Oh diddums we could have gotten a few points elsewhere? No proof of that. 44 is ostensibly worthless league wide.

If we kept 44 then passed on draft night how is it different to giving it away? Some semblance of don't give a leg up to your competition? Who cares.

The one thing we know for sure is Walls knows where the value lies in the draft and he always positions us where he thinks we can get value. I have no doubt he has a player primed and ready for that pick.
It appears to me that we are only taking two picks in this draft.

If 44 is worthless why would we trade it for a pick even more worthless?

 

[Carnthedockers]

I actually went to high school with Wallsy (he was a year above me loll

He is a quality lad.

Also being so called easy/flexible at the trade table will make it easier for agents to recommend their star free agent players to join your club btw, Essendon for example only recruited one big name star to their club during Dodoro's reign (Brendan Goddard) and that was because he was a free agent.

Being reasonable at the trade table will result in more big names be willingly traded to Freo (although granted, i understand your angst given Freo's previous trading history)

You have to give up quality to get quality in today's AFL (especially if you are in the premiership window like Freo)

Didn't Wallsy also engineer the fleecing of Geelong for Jordan Clark (which imo was low key one of the best value bargain trades in the last 10 years) ?

No recruiting manager is flawless or perfect, but I honestly happen to believe Wallsy's record in the last 5 years stacks up as well as a anyone else in the AFL, especially given your club's finishing position and lack of father son and academy picks.

I'll see myself out now, but i genuinely wish Freo all the best and think you guys should be very.excited/optimistic for 2026 and the future.

I am honestly jelly of your club's current list compared to mine

Stop making me not hate Carlton. Who are you??

 

[longsuffreosupp]

Don't mind the splitting of the pick in isolation (maybe no other club would split theirs, and 33 wasn't going to get it done), but not getting how WC get the extra benefit of a pick upgrade. Needs to be a cherry on top of this for us..

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Again, I don't understand it but what I do understand is that information is missing and it is stupid to get upset over things when we don't actually know what has happened and what will happen. If 44 is completely useless to us then we just threw it in for free, so what? We are matching Whan anyway. Oh diddums we could have gotten a few points elsewhere? No proof of that. 44 is ostensibly worthless league wide.

If we kept 44 then passed on draft night how is it different to giving it away? Some semblance of don't give a leg up to your competition? Who cares.

We will not pick Whan at 44 because we will wait to see if he slides to the rookie draft.

The one thing we know for sure is Walls knows where the value lies in the draft and he always positions us where he thinks we can get value. I have no doubt he has a player primed and ready for that pick 19.
It appears to me that we are only taking two picks in this draft.

Please, for the love of God, never do ANY investing outside leaving money in the bank

 

[Dockeroo]

Went to the pub for a few pints to try come up with a reason why it’s going down the way it has.

Still at a loss but at least I’m a bit merrier

Want to support Snuffaluphagus here in his opinions as one of the sharpest trading and FA minds on Bigfooty in terms of player valuations in trades etc. agree with pretty much everything guy have wrote on this issue this evening.

If the reported trade is true, come on guys - its an absolutely ****ing stinker.

1. why are we not getting a premium for handing over the highest pick in the entire exchange? I don’t there’s a similar example in all of AFL history since the DVI was introduced where a tram trading down LOST points?
2. This whole “shit draft” thing is bollocks. NO ONE KNOWS THAT YET. I remember talk that 2016 and 2019 were supposed to be shit drafts too at one point. As long as no one knows for sure that it’s a shit draft - the late picks have some tangible value. We won’t know for about 5 years, so therefore - they have value.
3. If pick 33 is so worthless, why didn’t Carlton give us a pick in the 30s for Liam Reidy? Why is it only freo that can be excused for throwing away value?
4. Judd McVee for pick 23 is fine. That nothing to do with the melts. Please stop bringing it up.
5. Why are we getting involved in west coast and Brisbane’s corrupt bullshit with that Starcevich Allen deal - it’s had a horrible stink off it since the first day it was mooted.
6. Finally and most importantly - snuff is 100% correct in being annoyed that we are unnecessarily throwing away a small advantage. This is (supposedly) an equal league. Tiny margins can make all the difference. We owe it to ourselves to take advantage of every single opportunity that presents itself, in the quest for a premiership. On and off the field. This decision may mean nothing overall. If so - we get away with a sub par effort on this occassion in an area we could be better in.
If it results in us missing out on access to a future gun or two that goes between 12 and 19 - well that’s an opportunity lost. And if our club want a to be the best, we don’t have the luxury of butchering draft capital like other clubs do. Whichever club makes the most good decisions over an 8 or 10 year period will usually end up in the prelims and GFs repeatedly, and the rest will sit on the side and watch with jealousy.