Autopsy 2025 Rd 4 Blues to petition AFL to halve the length of games

[TENACIOUS]

WTF


'Two men charged after allegedly smuggling guns into MCG last night'

https://archive.md/pNwWo

I knew they’d catch me eventually

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Guess that went over your head…..

I was tired hahaha

Embarrassed you had to double down, I'll show myself out

 

[Blueballs38]

Yeah agree

We took the ball off the centre line and lowered the eyes going inside 50

Until we didn’t, and we dumped it on the head of:

Kemp, whose strength is as a lead up forward

Young, whose strength is as a lead up forward

Moir, whose strength is as a lead up forward or a crumbing forward

And we just flat out refused to target our two time Coleman medalist in the second half

Also, if you’re going to play three marking talls they can’t be coming across eachother

Our forward craft has stink it up for how many years?

Who is in charge of this debacle

 

[Worm4]

Our forward craft has stink it up for how many years?

Who is in charge of this debacle

Jordan Russell i believe. It was a bloody strange appointment in my opinion

 

[goreds]

WTF


'Two men charged after allegedly smuggling guns into MCG last night'

https://archive.md/pNwWo

I did hear someone last week mention that, if Carlton was a racehorse, you would put it down...

Were they arguing amongst themselves about who would be first??

 

[Blue since 72]

Found it interesting that in the interviews post match more than one person alluded to 2023 as a time when
they were getting it right and appeared to use it as a reason to justify their belief that they can get back to their best.

My response here would be; that was two years ago and if you are comfortable hanging your hat on that period as
a fix to the way forward now, I suggest you throw that thinking out the window and actually deal with the now.

The appalling drop off in second halves is not going to be remedied by looking at what you did two years ago. It's pretty much head in the sand stuff, "if we talk about it often enough and say it out loud we will get back to our best".

For all the fumbles and carry on in our back line the team hasn't actually been blown off the park score wise. However the transition game into the forward line and the forward line itself is farcical in the extreme.

Our counter attack is largely abysmal expect for the odd Saad run and kick, usually due to a severe lack of handball options away from any given contest coupled with shit decisions and shit disposal.

Ball movement through the middle part of the ground is horrid for the most part and most of it comes down to poor decisions and poor execution.

Looking at half backs and wings in particular (both groups need to be pushing elite for disposal). What do you think about this:

Blake Acres disposal efficiency as a percentage this year:

Rnd 1: 52.4
Rnd 2: 50
Rnd 3: 33.3
Rnd 4: 56.7

Does this player deserve to be playing in the seniors? he is absolutely killing us but guess what, who comes in for him?
Binns? Campo? neither of these two are shooting the lights out with disposal. We have wingers that can run all day but can't hit a target.

Anyone who's played footy will understand how hard it is to chase turnover after turnover.

God we are missing Newman and to a lesser degree an underdone Boyd.

So why not give Carroll (yes I know he's been injured but will he come in next week?) a go and why not push Walsh out to a wing where he'll have more time.

Just ffs do something and stop going to the same guys and expecting a different result.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

 

[Zlatan]

The Hawthorn/Adelaide run/spread to make the ground seem big with the ball (there's been some footage that show how these teams spread with the ball and most of the work is done by players without the ball running into 'dead' space to draw opposition and then cut into dangerous space if their opponents zone off) then apply pressure with quick, agile players without the ball and use a team defence mentality is now the blueprint.

Realistically, I don’t see our coaching team going from “unga bunga contest kick unga bunga contest” to what you wrote above mate. We are as primitive as baboons throwing faeces in that coaches box.

 

[btdg]

Generally speaking I think your posting is pretty much spot on

in the case of Doch atm - he is being played as if Voss is hoping for him to get back into some form his actual performance in games has been bottom 6 players at best and my comment isnt based on just last night's efforts. He avoided numerous contests - nto just the blatant one which gave that pissant Shultz a goal his disposal is absolute rubbish and his ability to miss tackles underlines that he isnt playing to previous expected standards - he survives because there is no one better to replace him same league as McGovern unfortunately and now to top it all off Cowan is out with a hamstring injury .

When the side and coach is carrying developed senior players like Docherty, McGovern. Williams, Haynes the younger players have no one to leverage off and rely on - things fall apart pretty quickly...

When you have Harry Mckay benching himself and the team needs to rely on Young and Kemp as replacement talls - neither of whom has much experience as a forward - we are in big trouble.


When our so called best clearance midfield in the competition gets pantsed by Collingwood in clearances for a full half and dont have the composure ( intestinal fortitude) to match intensity - you are done.

Ity is big games like lasyt night that you expect your senior players to stand up and match the pressure that is being meeted out - they all pretty much failed except for Hewett/Cerra and Weitering.

I gove a leave pass to Jacks two goals as he is learning how to be a full balk allowing mihopcek to drive him backwards and stop his ability to stop a couple of lousy scrub kicks through teh goal that is learning experience - I give him a pass because next to Weitering Jack is already our second best defender.

When i see Olli missigg so many important tackles and fluffing so many kicks I see a great yioung kid burdened by too much responsibility for his size and ability- why isnt McGovern or Haynes - the designated runners and distributors - itisnt like they too busy winning one on one aerial contests.


Nahh the list is broken and has been for 2-3 years- no 2nd KPD no decent small forwards- although I thought White is evidencing some strong natural forward straits - a first gamer already gone past Motlop who is isnt the sharpest knife in the block.

The Club is carrying a poor mix of senior players as well as ( now clear to me) a very ordinary set assistant coaches.


oh coaches aren't the only leadership issue - on field leadership is missing BIG TIME .

I don't disagree with anything. Maybe it is too early given we just lost to Collingwood (ughghh) but let's also keep some perspective.

All the above is true... And we only lost by 17 to Collingwood. We have led every game this year. And almost every cloud has its silver lining (even if hard to see right now)... In particular, while it isn't good, it hasn't completely fallen apart. We are bad but competitive despite our failings.

Somehow we have had 5x form slumps under Voss (defined as 4 losses in 5 games). That's crazy across three seasons where we made finals twice and missed by a kick the other year. We have also had 6 form 'peaks' of 4+ consecutive wins. Who knows what happens from here.

My comments on Docherty were mainly because he is being so roundly trashed. Yet he is a club hero, returning from an ACL injury(which often takes 18 months to fully recover), and just had his best game for the year (and statistically third best on ground). I get everything is doom and gloom right now but I think he deserves more from supporters (as did others like Marc Murphy in their day too). I can't imagine Pendlebury or Sidebottom copping the treatment Docherty is getting here from Collingwood supporters... That should say something

 

[bigblueboy]

I don't disagree with anything. Maybe it is too early given we just lost to Collingwood (ughghh) but let's also keep some perspective.

All the above is true... And we only lost by 17 to Collingwood. We have led every game this year. And almost every cloud has its silver lining (even if hard to see right now)... In particular, while it isn't good, it hasn't completely fallen apart. We are bad but competitive despite our failings.

Somehow we have had 5x form slumps under Voss (defined as 4 losses in 5 games). That's crazy across three seasons where we made finals twice and missed by a kick the other year. We have also had 6 form 'peaks' of 4+ consecutive wins. Who knows what happens from here.

My comments on Docherty were mainly because he is being so roundly trashed. Yet he is a club hero, returning from an ACL injury(which often takes 18 months to fully recover), and just had his best game for the year (and statistically third best on ground). I get everything is doom and gloom right now but I think he deserves more from supporters (as did others like Marc Murphy in their day too). I can't imagine Pendlebury or Sidebottom copping the treatment Docherty is getting here from Collingwood supporters... That should say something

AFL is a brutal environment. You only need to be a little bit off and you get exposed.
Doc should have retired - he’s been shifted here and there in recent years due to injury and a decline in pace and skills, yet it was his choice to continue on and Voss’ choice to keep supporting him against all the available evidence.

 

[dumb]

Found it interesting that in the interviews post match more than one person alluded to 2023 as a time when
they were getting it right and appeared to use it as a reason to justify their belief that they can get back to their best.

the good ol' days. where we'd get in front, let teams back in but still win. lots of chat about winning ugly, vs the manner in which we're playing.

this lead the game and fall away stuff is in our dna

 

[Blue__Balls]

AFL is a brutal environment. You only need to be a little bit off and you get exposed.
Doc should have retired - he’s been shifted here and there in recent years due to injury and a decline in pace and skills, yet it was his choice to continue on and Voss’ choice to keep supporting him against all the available evidence.

...there's still time before the MSD...do the right thing Doc...

If he was holding out for a flag, the start of this season should have disabused him of that notion real quick.

 

[SurreyBlue]

There were 2 incidents that showed me this group is definitely mild, to put it nicely.
1. Houston’s high hit elbow to Fogarty. Poor retaliation by our boys.
2. Naicos yapping and low blows all night. He shouldn’t have walked off the ground. Maynard wouldn’t have allowed it.

This group…….

 

[agro]

Jordan Russell i believe. It was a bloody strange appointment in my opinion

Whose the numpty in charge of stoppages and structures around stoppage?

 

[Stamos]

2. Naicos yapping and low blows all night. He shouldn’t have walked off the ground. Maynard wouldn’t have allowed it.

This group…….

And Docherty had a perfect gift wrapped opportunity to legally put him on a stretcher cart, but pulled out instead.

 

[bigblueboy]

the good ol' days. where we'd get in front, let teams back in but still win. lots of chat about winning ugly, vs the manner in which we're playing.

this lead the game and fall away stuff is in our dna

Been a theme in our group. Not enough want it enough. Not enough prepared to step up on field when things get tough.
Maybe our leaders like Voss and Cripps are so feted that others don’t feel they can step into that territory.

 

[lily of laguna]

I don't disagree with anything. Maybe it is too early given we just lost to Collingwood (ughghh) but let's also keep some perspective.

All the above is true... And we only lost by 17 to Collingwood. We have led every game this year. And almost every cloud has its silver lining (even if hard to see right now)... In particular, while it isn't good, it hasn't completely fallen apart. We are bad but competitive despite our failings.

Somehow we have had 5x form slumps under Voss (defined as 4 losses in 5 games). That's crazy across three seasons where we made finals twice and missed by a kick the other year. We have also had 6 form 'peaks' of 4+ consecutive wins. Who knows what happens from here.

My comments on Docherty were mainly because he is being so roundly trashed. Yet he is a club hero, returning from an ACL injury(which often takes 18 months to fully recover), and just had his best game for the year (and statistically third best on ground). I get everything is doom and gloom right now but I think he deserves more from supporters (as did others like Marc Murphy in their day too). I can't imagine Pendlebury or Sidebottom copping the treatment Docherty is getting here from Collingwood supporters... That should say something

I really don’t want you to think I’m picking on your posts but those comments on Doch are just wrong.
We are not trashing the bloke at all, we are simply stating his football performance right at this moment (last 5 games) are well below the standard.
No one has anything bad to say about the bloke, how could they? But his football is poor.

Can he turn it around?

I don’t know, time isn’t on his side, but to say that we are trashing him is false.

If you agree with the stats that say he was the 3rd best player in the game last night we’ll just have to disagree. I don’t care how many possies he got, it what happened with and without the ball that matters.

I love Doc but he should be dropped back to the 2’s and give a youngster a go, because let’s face it, we are not winning the flag this year with or without Doc in the team.

If he goes back and dominates then bring him back and let’s go from there.

 

[lily of laguna]

I don't disagree with anything. Maybe it is too early given we just lost to Collingwood (ughghh) but let's also keep some perspective.

All the above is true... And we only lost by 17 to Collingwood. We have led every game this year. And almost every cloud has its silver lining (even if hard to see right now)... In particular, while it isn't good, it hasn't completely fallen apart. We are bad but competitive despite our failings.

Somehow we have had 5x form slumps under Voss (defined as 4 losses in 5 games). That's crazy across three seasons where we made finals twice and missed by a kick the other year. We have also had 6 form 'peaks' of 4+ consecutive wins. Who knows what happens from here.

My comments on Docherty were mainly because he is being so roundly trashed. Yet he is a club hero, returning from an ACL injury(which often takes 18 months to fully recover), and just had his best game for the year (and statistically third best on ground). I get everything is doom and gloom right now but I think he deserves more from supporters (as did others like Marc Murphy in their day too). I can't imagine Pendlebury or Sidebottom copping the treatment Docherty is getting here from Collingwood supporters... That should say something

Also I’m not too sure we have been competitive this season, we really have performed poorly but have tried hard and in that effort we have had high pressure ratings.
The worrying thing is despite giving great effort we have still been beaten easily, not smashed, but easily outplayed.
We are in a whole world of trouble right now and this current focus on contest at all costs is blowing up in our faces.

 

[RAPPA]

I have been part of the "Doc is finished" bandwagon, but the guy is a victim of the lofty standards he established as a player pre ACL. We all recognised how much of a critical cog he was the team's success. His decline in form hurts even more for that fact and he is punished because his "good" that we remember is so far away from the on field performances that we see now; in particular shirking from the contests which goes beyond just the poor disposal and was again on show last night.

He is one of the most obvious to single out, but realistically if we all had the opportunity to scrap any number of players and have a free hit at the draft with random 3R picks, the sad thing is that we'd boot at least a dozen players. Such is how bad we are.

We are now ingraining half game performances into our DNA. 17 other sides would have no qualm at any half time deficit because they know - and more problematically, the players know - that we will crumble. Even Josh Daicos made mention of it yesterday.

 

[HBF]

Im sure happy they killed my love of football last year, otherwise I'd be really disappointed right now.

I've gone from attending 14 games in 2022, to watching a total of about 45mins of football in 2025.

I guess I should thank them. I have far more spare time on my weekends and I drink much less.

Thanks Carlton.

I know how you feel.
I didn't even bother last night.
Watched about 5 minutes of the 3rd qtr and then went back to Netflix.

This footy club is a total laughing stock.

 

[Shambolic]

We won 3/4!

 

[Vassp]

How'd you manage to get through that game as a neutral

lets say I have a love - hate relationship with Carlton. I started barracking for the Blues upto the age of 8 when I made the switch to the mighty tigs. Still appreciate good players though. still sus out your team and try to figure out what is wrong.

 

[Sam The Doc]

2 weeks for Houston... The old outcome driven result...

 

[GenYBlue]

lets say I have a love - hate relationship with Carlton. I started barracking for the Blues upto the age of 8 when I made the switch to the mighty tigs. Still appreciate good players though. still sus out your team and try to figure out what is wrong.

You don't switch teams...

What's the point of even supporting if you can just drop the team for a shiny new one at a moment's notice?

 

[Sam The Doc]

You don't switch teams...

What's the point of even supporting if you can just drop the team for a shiny new one at a moment's notice?

Meh under 10 swapping is fine. Born without a choice, then you start to clue on what's going on.
Did well to get out of this 30 year rebuild.