Autopsy 2026 Rd 6 Collapse. Copy. Paste.

[Gabagool]

Regardless of the cause of Lij's issue/s last night, the biggest things for me are:

If he was like that in the pre game, why was he allowed to play?

If it was missed before the game started, when his team mates, especially our leaders noticed, something should have been said and he should have been taken off the ground. If they did and this was ignored, that's even worse!

Coaches and runners should have noticed the state he was in, especially with doing things like putting up the middle finger to the crowd, and he should have come off the ground.

Based on stats alone, I honestly just can't see how he was allowed to stay out there for so long.

 

[branedotorg]

I said after round 1 this team is so mentally weak it’s not funny.

it goes back to when murphy was captain, we'd win two games and everytime we'd be favourite we'd collapse. any game against someone below us on the ladder we'd fall apart, because we assumed turning up would be enough.

this is a club with great expectations (and pressure) but low standards for professionalism, on and off the field.

That inability to handle the expectations and pressure of winning have been passed down from group to group, along with the star players being backslapped and glad handed, never held to account for a poor game or an inability to achieve a metric.

Memetic transference of culture is real and this will take time to fix, even with a radical solution. Moving Curnow on was a good start but i think this is only the beginning still and the next few years will be messy.

 

[outabounds]

I haven't said a thing on here since the game finished but here is my take.

-Concerned about Elijah big time. He is a talent but something went seriously wrong last night and I am really hoping he os OK.
-Harry put in missed some golden opportunities before he went off. I am also very concerned that he may not have a future in the game with these head knock concussion issues

• We cannot convert, we cannot hit a target coming out of the backline
• it cannot be empahasised any more that this is not Vossy's fault. He should have been gone last year but the powers that be chose to have him as coach this year. Consequently an entire year of players development under a new coach has been put to waste and we certainly could not afford that.

-Talor Byrne. Its not your fault young man. You were let down by many , many people who should have done a lot more for you.

 

[BJuddy]

Okay.

Under Voss, winning or losing has always been a habit. When we lose, we lose multiple games in a row and everything goes to shit. Pressure gets brought to bear, leading to mistake after mistake after mistake; there was a play where Ollie Hollands ran onto a loose ball, fumbled around 7-8 times before eventually receiving a handball which he then went to kick only for it to get smothered. Whole moments of the game felt like Teague was the coach tonight; the refusal to change things to affect the game, the insistence on following the structure when it ceased working, the dropping of heads. The good thing at least is that we now know it definitely isn't fitness; most of the list is available, and both this and last week's games weren't lost through an inability to run a game out. No, this is structural and mental.

Put very simply, there was always going to be a concern this season about how we were going to kick our goals. No Curnow meant that one of the things we needed to develop was an alternate means of scoring, and despite every midfielder - and we have no genuine goalkicking mids - kicking less goals than their average (except Pitto) and Harry kicked 1.4, our scoring has been pretty good given the complete change in method. I thought at times our transition play to set up shots on goal was excellent last night. Hayward, Ainsworth, Gov, Frankie and Kemp all held up their end of the bargain.

Harry threatened to tear the game apart. He had Frampton on toast when the umpire wasn't plucking free kicks to gift Framption the ball out of thin air. The problem is where he's taking his shots from. When you have a left footer, them leading to the narrow side is a fool's errand unless they're like Franklin and can get the ball to drift right to left rather than the traditional way. Two of his shots were missed from close shots in that left side pocket. This is IMO an adjustment; used to be that Charlie'd lead to that pocket and Harry'd take the other side. The other thing about it is that McKay is 28; ideally he can play long, as he's not been as injury prone as others have. Players can go to their mid 30's pretty simply now.

The reaction to him being concussed in here is appalling. You don't get to choose your fellow supporters, but I wish you could choose who they weren't sometimes. He copped a fist/forearm to the right side of his head from a player who had jumped at a right angle to him full pelt. The other thing too is that to say that he gets 'concussed easily' or 'he gets concussed from some soft knocks' portrays a misunderstanding of what concussion actually is.

You, as a fan, do not get to judge a person for not wanting CTE late in life. If you think you do, you can kindly go **** yourself.

We now come to Elijah. One of my most favourite things in the world is when media figures of disparate expertise all collectively choose to analyse the body language of someone they don't know. It just thrills me to bits when I hear people coming to concrete conclusions about the pathology, mental state or acumen of someone else based upon thirty seconds of footage; it's just so, so good to realise how smart everyone is and just how transparent a person they don't know a good 80+ metres away is over the course of a thirty second snippet of footage can be. Why, I'm surprised that more people aren't also excellent at poker - as opposed to just thinking they are - if they're just so good at reading people.

The media who published that footage knew what they were doing. No-one is immune to propaganda and that is what this thread demonstrates; that so many just ****ing bought what Tom Morris was selling displays that people are willing to add 2 and 2 and get 11. People seem to forget who Tom Morris is, too. He's vile, a vulture picking at a carcass; actually, that's offensive to vultures because they at least clean up biomes.

And now I'm left wondering if the fans are worth the sport; if success or victory will ever purge from me the reality that some of you won't ever deserve it if and when it happens. I'm not talking about someone who I disagree with wildly but our disagreements are sport related; I'm talking about a willingness to participate in something awful purely for the purposes of piling on.

It'll turn onfield, eventually. But some need to seriously re-evaluate how you participate in this sport.

This is one of the best posts I have read. Period.

 

[ajs071]

At this point, is there anything more that can be said. Reading all these posts and it's all doom and gloom. How do we come back from this??

 

[Gethelred]

FMD, you're coming across as someone who can't understand something unless it's spelled out in a text book or peer-reviewed study for them.

Where you're coming across as a person who would bleed someone to release excessive billious humour, despite knowing for a fact that it's bullshit.

How dare I point out that there's no scientific underpinnings for the ability to read body language in any complex way? How dare I?

His behavior was highly erratic, the club has asked the media to treat it with severe sensitivity, Voss admitted they had to manage him throughout the week, every movement from him out on the field points to a guy who's either on the gear or heavily coming off it. Yet you're trying to say it's a non-story, whilst the rest of the football world are in disbelief.

What I'm saying here is that the way this has been handled by the media specifically and swallowed uncritically by entirely too many people is vile. You are welcome to not swallow it, but I can't actually make that choice for you.

And yes, I've been around plenty of people who've experienced substance abuse. I'm guessing you haven't, because if you had, you wouldn't be smugly sitting here saying Elijahs behavior was normal and there's nothing to see here.

... dude, I was an alcoholic for around two years. I am one of those people you're talking about.

Wake up, because this will be the biggest story of the week and it's going to be very tiring for you if you're going to keep calling it fake news.

'Wake up'? Now who's gaslighting who?

So, in the end, you've still got nothing and you're angry about it; affecting care, despite perpetuating the things that require them to need it.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

He relocated to Melbourne last year

That's going to disappoint a few people of here !

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

Dude looked like he was trippin' balls, but not the AFL kind.
I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a knock on his door from ASADA over the weekend.

 

[Will_Hayward]

FMD, you're coming across as someone who can't understand something unless it's spelled out in a text book or peer-reviewed study for them.

His behavior was highly erratic, the club has asked the media to treat it with severe sensitivity, Voss admitted they had to manage him throughout the week, every movement from him out on the field points to a guy who's either on the gear or heavily coming off it. Yet you're trying to say it's a non-story, whilst the rest of the football world are in disbelief.

And yes, I've been around plenty of people who've experienced substance abuse. I'm guessing you haven't, because if you had, you wouldn't be smugly sitting here saying Elijahs behavior was normal and there's nothing to see here.

Wake up, because this will be the biggest story of the week and it's going to be very tiring for you if you're going to keep calling it fake news.

Pull your head in. Everyone can tell something was amiss, and there are questions about how it was handled, but speculating about the cause (or insisting it's something in particular without evidence) isn't appropriate.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Ah, classic. Yes - it's just a media witch hunt.

Let's ignore:

• His bizarre body language pre-game & warm up
• His failure to register a single stat for 3.5 quarters
• His teammates ignoring him at every turn - both in terms of interacting & giving him the ball
• His clear confusion out on the field
• His behavior that clearly demonstrated he was not fit to be out there
• The fact he's had a history with substance abuse
• The fact his body language is pretty much a text-book example of someone on some type of substance - particularly the footage from the bench at the end of the game (and Tom Morris' propaganda video).

'Yes, curse Tom Morris and the 2 minute video footage, and curse all you Carlton fans for buying into this witch hunt, you should all have a good, hard look at yourselves!'

Whatever Elijah is going through is his own battle - and I wish him well - but this club needs to explain itself to the league, fans & their own players (who also have a role in this).

So quit trying to gaslight us into thinking we're falling for propaganda, and that this is just a non-story.

I wanted to give Elijah a 2nd chance. I now see it as another example of the individual being a higher priority than the club and football once again taking a back seat to social responsibility

 

[Limestone]

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At Hamer Hall on October 12th, Ryan Adams broke the artist-audience contract with a chaotic performance. Rolling Stone AU/NZ was there.

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Arghh, was there, what a disaster. Has form, I was just hoping it wouldn’t be one of those nights for him, but it was. Ryan is one of the greatest writers of our time, but an aweful person who clearly has issues , but doesn’t want to seek help it seems. Ménière’s disease is real, but uses it as an excuse , alcohol is a major issue, I think he bi polar or something similar , but won’t get help. His social media rants are embarrassing and sad, fighting with fans. Really sad.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Lij has bi-polar as well, something was having an effort. Really sad as well.

 

[RPCB]

I got absolutely smashed by some on here for my opinions on Elijah over the pre season.

He had a lot of trust to make up and with everything he was dealing with, 3 months of good behavour/training was nowhere enough. The issues he was dealing with would never have been addressed in 3 months. This is what experts told me

People on here, and and seems the club by excited by highlights on the training track. Madness

IMO (and said at time) he should have been offered a 12 month contract in the VFL so he could then stay and train around the club. We could have still looked after him but without the pressure

As I said at the time a strong club would not have signed him. It was wrong for us and importantly wrong for him

Poor

Tbf, it sounded like he was on the right track and did everything right for months. Unfortunately, it seems like he relapsed last night and that’s such a pity. He’s a hugely talented football player, but he can’t beat his demons.

Not that this is important right now but worth asking. Could the AFL sanction the club with a fine or loss of picks if they found we knew Elijah was on something yesterday and we still ignored it?

 

[Sector 7G]

Loved the aggressive ball movement. Must have been the most goals we have kicked from the back half in ages
Forwards played well just conversion ended up costing us. Need to stick with the fast ball movement. Winning games is no longer important this year. Learning to play modern footy is the goal.

All of the last quarter losses have come from us losing clearances in a game where we dominated for 3 quarters. Pitto had a good game for 3 quarters and then we couldn't win a clearance.

Does Walsh get less time than everyone else in the comp to get rid of it at a centre clearance. Getting ridiculous.

The amount of times a Carlton player comes in 2nd up and spoils /takes out a team mate is doing my head in. Looking at you Florent and Cow (Kemp in previous games)

After all his hammy issues Cerra should have come back through the VFL like Saad.

 

[NavySteel]

I haven't said a thing on here since the game finished but here is my take.

-Concerned about Elijah big time. He is a talent but something went seriously wrong last night and I am really hoping he os OK.
-Harry put in missed some golden opportunities before he went off. I am also very concerned that he may not have a future in the game with these head knock concussion issues

• We cannot convert, we cannot hit a target coming out of the backline
• it cannot be empahasised any more that this is not Vossy's fault. He should have been gone last year but the powers that be chose to have him as coach this year. Consequently an entire year of players development under a new coach has been put to waste and we certainly could not afford that.

-Talor Byrne. Its not your fault young man. You were let down by many , many people who should have done a lot more for you.

I mentioned this earlier in this thread, but I don't think Voss gives licence to all players in the team to thrive.

I think he has favourites, such as Cripps, Walsh, O Hollands, Young, etc.

I think younger players might be fearful of the coach if they take on the game (look how Voss ripped shreds off Binns last year), and reticent to provide any feedback to their cohort. Voss said himself that risk and stupidity are a fine line and one has to have the licence to seize moments -- doesn't exactly fill me with hope that he champions all players in the team. He coaches like he's a captain on field on not in the box.

And then we have a captain and leadership group who aren't controlling things on the ground when the pressure ramps up. Who is there calming the team, setting the tempo, getting to the line groups after an oppo goal? There's some bad footage of Weitering in rd 0 or 1 I think of oppo players getting into Dean and he just walks away.

A complete leadership overhaul, coach and players, is required if we're going to reinvigorate the team. What I'd do for an Ed Curnow type on the field right now. Give the captaincy to Newman, Haynes, and even Walsh to an extent.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Where you're coming across as a person who would bleed someone to release excessive billious humour, despite knowing for a fact that it's bullshit.

How dare I point out that there's no scientific underpinnings for the ability to read body language in any complex way? How dare I?

What I'm saying here is that the way this has been handled by the media specifically and swallowed uncritically by entirely too many people is vile. You are welcome to not swallow it, but I can't actually make that choice for you.

... dude, I was an alcoholic for around two years. I am one of those people you're talking about.

'Wake up'? Now who's gaslighting who?

So, in the end, you've still got nothing and you're angry about it; affecting care, despite perpetuating the things that require them to need it.

Just stop.

 

[Gethelred]

Just stop.

I've said my peace, and from there I've replied if I've had something to say. I don't plan to belabor the point further than I need to.

 

[Rambis]

Isn't it a case of them having Naicos and us not ? I don't think we were outcoached or the players didnt have enough heart.
We simply got beat by a superstar. Even then we bounced back a couple of times in the last to almost get a draw. A kick one meter to the right would have got it done. We carried 3 kids with less than 8 games experience and played 60% of the game a man down. Then we lost our KPF in the last.

The 6 x 6 mistake was a costly disaster that was unprofessional but I am happy with the overall attempt to beat the hardened Pies.

 

[TheReal99prelim]

A lot of people say this. I'm not sure

Can't question effort over last few weeks. Players are having a crack to the end

Issue I believe is we are cooked after half time. Why? We play a ballistic, manic style of football and we tire. There is no tempo control and we don't control possession. We work hard inside, win the ball and then spread and run at full speed. Works great for about 45 minutes then it's unsustainable. It's basic

Then what is Voss's answer? We don't work hard enough for long enough. FFS, no one can at that pace.

I find it so hard to judge players in this situation and as I have said hardly any players get better.

IMO a key part of a Coaching is getting the best out of your players. There is no way we are doing this

I could not agree more Soapy

It's human nature, not just in sport. When your head is not right, it manifests in mistakes, poor decision making, confusion, apathy, poor communication, lack of proactivity, anxiety, effort, passion etc etc etc etc etc

Looking at the game and what the players are or are not doing is sooooo simplistic

trying to get to the root cause of what's going on inside their head is the challenge

Our coaching and direction is causing 80% of the disaster that is this year

Voss must go ASAP

 

[Soapy V]

Tbf, it sounded like he was on the right track and did everything right for months. Unfortunately, it seems like he relapsed last night and that’s such a pity. He’s a hugely talented football player, but he can’t beat his demons.

Not that this is important right now but worth asking. Could the AFL sanction the club with a fine or loss of picks if they found we knew Elijah was on something yesterday and we still ignored it?

Yeh, but as I said 3 months is nothing. Given the issues it is crazy to think 3 good months means he's all okay

 

[Limestone]

Must be a common theme in my life. I was at that RA gig too...

First time in my life I was actually given a refund by the promoter/venue. Apparently his artist payment was withheld due to OHS breaches in the artist contract for his behaviour towards venue staff.

Damn, I was going to apply for that, but never got around to it. Yes, he was terrible to staff while onstage as well. As I said, great songwriter and singer, aweful person with serious problems. Career tumbling .

 

[charred_fate]

We’ve lost it every game this season in a similar manner by conceding quick succession goals in minutes. A trend for many years that we’ve still not learnt from.. zero positivity in that.

Yeah but that stuff wouldn’t happen if we were doing/getting the basics right.

Two things I will pin on the coaches though are being too slow to get Young into the ruck in the last when Steene’s intent was clear, and playing OH on Naicos (and sticking with it deep in defence).

Think we’d not have lost if we had George instead of OH out there either, but they have one eye on the future so I can cop that (even though, personally, I don’t think OH is the future, and not sure it should be George as the sacrifice either).

EH is another matter altogether - have to wait on the details.

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

I got absolutely smashed by some on here for my opinions on Elijah over the pre season.

He had a lot of trust to make up and with everything he was dealing with, 3 months of good behavour/training was nowhere enough. The issues he was dealing with would never have been addressed in 3 months. This is what experts told me

People on here, and and seems the club by excited by highlights on the training track. Madness

IMO (and said at time) he should have been offered a 12 month contract in the VFL so he could then stay and train around the club. We could have still looked after him but without the pressure

As I said at the time a strong club would not have signed him. It was wrong for us and importantly wrong for him

Poor

Maybe leave it a full 12 hours before your victory lap Soap.

 

[The Defender]

Just saw vision of Elijah having a set shot in the warmup. 30m out he kicked it 20m at right angles.

 

[RPCB]

Yeh, but as I said 3 months is nothing. Given the issues it is crazy to think 3 good months means he's all okay

You did say that several times.

I guess we were just hoping for the best. Such a shame this has happened and could spell the end of a young career.

 

[Soapy V]

Maybe leave it a full 12 hours before your victory lap Soap.

Not a victory lap at all. Anger and Fear for what is right for the kid. Stupid comment