Expansion 20th AFL team location

[Registered User]

3aw reported today that a WA consortium is getting the cash together for a 20th team

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I honestly don't know what goes through the heads of those 15% of people suggesting Darwin should get the 20th team. It's child-like logic of "oooh look here is a capital city that doesn't have one, let me pin the tail on this donkey there". Rocks in the head of anyone suggesting Darwin.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Not what it was. The Crows have been in The comp for 32 years. That's close to 2 generations that have grown up with dimishing or zero SANFL support. The majority of of old school Norwood supporters jumped on the Crows. A 3rd SA team would be an absolute failure. I think another WA team would be as well.

Your Adelaide-ness blinds you. We are not Adelaide. Perth are the largest sports fan base per capita in Australia.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I'll add to that, the fixture is no more equitable with a 20 round system than it is now. "oh, but everyone plays each other once...". Yep, but in that system you still play someone twice (and that takes on an even more massive weight - imagine getting Melbourne twice and your rival getting North...), and for the teams you play once, who plays at home and who plays away? Or what if you get Geelong in rounds 1-3 while they are rounding into shape, and then get to play Gold Coast, North and Hawthorn in the last month just as they are settling into the holidays?

Fewer games means more statistical anomalies = in other words the longer the season goes, the less the fixture matters and the more the good teams rise to the top, regardless of any inequities. If it was a 100 game season the 'best' teams the fixture probably wouldn't matter at all...

Do we think that the current fixture inequities are actually having a significant impact - ie: do we think that the teams in 9th or 10th last year were better than those in 7th and 8th and missed out BECAUSE of fixture inequity (or similarly with top 4/5 or with ladder positions in the 8)? If so, the answer is to lengthen the season by a game or two (as we have in 2023), NOT to shorten it.

Freo clearly only made finals last year due to their favourable draw.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Canberra have the money.

WA have the people.

SA has the history.

Darwin has the heritage.

 

[Freshwater]

Darwin easily, Perth does not need another team either does SA.

More people live in Wyndham than the whole of the Territory. Impossible for Darwin or territory to sustain a team.

 

[Jakksynn]

How many top flight leagues around the world have 20 teams? Very few. That’s way too many teams. We’d have to start considering divisions or conferences or something which is a concept I hate. The only option is to drop some teams which is also a very unpopular idea but I think is the only viable option

 

[RobbyRoy]

More people live in Wyndham than the whole of the Territory. Impossible for Darwin or territory to sustain a team.

You may be looking at the wrong Wyndham

 

[kickazz]

I say this with some trepidation, but given it is not listed in the poll options it at least warrants discussion.

An eleventh Victorian team.

Could a team be based in the sprawling south eastern suburbs of Melbourne?

SEQLD aside, it's probably the fastest growing part of the country. Plenty of new Australians as well who may not yet have family allegiances to existing clubs and would get in on the ground floor of a new one.

Genuine home ground, they could enjoy a similar setup that Geelong has in that respect. A lot easier to get to for many Melburnians than the city.


Look, overall I don't really think it is a good idea. The AFL needs to become less Vic-centric, not more. (Indeed, a relocation rather than a new side would be more likely) But interesting to discuss. The AFL have pushed so much shit up hill with NSW and Qld, you just never know, a team out that way might take off a lot easier and get more money coming in.

Could it work? Would people follow them?

 

[kickazz]

Then of course there is this idea, which I very vaguely remember:

Extraordinary "L.A Crocodiles" Concept Revealed - Herald Sun - World Footy News

www.worldfootynews.com

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I say this with some trepidation, but given it is not listed in the poll options it at least warrants discussion.

An eleventh Victorian team.

Could a team be based in the sprawling south eastern suburbs of Melbourne?

SEQLD aside, it's probably the fastest growing part of the country. Plenty of new Australians as well who may not yet have family allegiances to existing clubs and would get in on the ground floor of a new one.

Genuine home ground, they could enjoy a similar setup that Geelong has in that respect. A lot easier to get to for many Melburnians than the city.


Look, overall I don't really think it is a good idea. The AFL needs to become less Vic-centric, not more. (Indeed, a relocation rather than a new side would be more likely) But interesting to discuss. The AFL have pushed so much s**t up hill with NSW and Qld, you just never know, a team out that way might take off a lot easier and get more money coming in.

Could it work? Would people follow them?

Honestly, behind a third WA team and maybe a Canberra team, an 11th Victorian team actually makes the most sense.

 

[SeanM]

How many top flight leagues around the world have 20 teams? Very few. That’s way too many teams. We’d have to start considering divisions or conferences or something which is a concept I hate. The only option is to drop some teams which is also a very unpopular idea but I think is the only viable option

How many teams do overseas leagues usually have?

 

[peetoo]

How many teams do overseas leagues usually have?

A lot more than 20 to consider conferences

 

[Roylion]

Honestly, behind a third WA team and maybe a Canberra team, an 11th Victorian team actually makes the most sense.

There's a former 11th Victorian AFL club still playing in Melbourne.

 

[LordLucifer]

1. Canberra
2. Northern Sydney/Northern Beaches
3. 3rd Brisbane team
4. Illawarra
5. Sunshine Coast
6. Central Coast


Three Vic clubs to relocate or merge thus leaving 22 teams in total playing a 21-round home & away season with a Final 10 being implemented.

 

[Engimal v3]

WA3 just makes no sense lol

 

[peetoo]

There's a former 11th Victorian AFL club still playing in Melbourne.

Fastest growing city.

Could have been co tenants with hawthorn in se suburbs of not for Oakley/collins bastardry.

League so keen to copy the US over the years, while US often has relocations, rarely do mergers

 

[peetoo]

1. Canberra
2. Northern Sydney/Northern Beaches
3. 3rd Brisbane team
4. Illawarra
5. Sunshine Coast
6. Central Coast


Three Vic clubs to relocate or merge thus leaving 22 teams in total playing a 21-round home & away season with a Final 10 being implemented.

Who’s going to front up 6 times nearly a billion dollars for stadiums for that lot?

Not the Melbourne based fans you want to pee off

 

[FlowersByIrene]

There's a former 11th Victorian AFL club still playing in Melbourne.

I would be all for it.

 

[Elixuh]

They'll want something with the least barriers and infrastructure required, so I expect it'll be either WA or SA. I just can't see them creating a team in a market where they'd have to build another stadium. I doubt there will be much of an appetite for a new one given the Gov has just agreed to fund 5 stadiums (which is moronic in and of itself).

 

[Jakksynn]

How many teams do overseas leagues usually have?

Turns out the big leagues have more teams than I thought. NBA and NFL have 30 odd but that’s split into two conferences. Premier League and La Liga have 20.

20 teams in Australia does seem crazy though. We don’t have the population let alone actual numbers of footy fans to support that many teams

 

[LordLucifer]

Who’s going to front up 6 times nearly a billion dollars for stadiums for that lot?

Not the Melbourne based fans you want to pee off

Your mob have been happy to sell off games interstate so why shouldn't another club (or yours) move permanently ??

The locations I'm advocating are untapped & have the greatest scope for support & growth, chucking another team into an existing market (in Vic's case, an already overcrowded one) is not the smartest move.

 

[threesixpio]

East Collingwood

 

[threesixpio]

I say this with some trepidation, but given it is not listed in the poll options it at least warrants discussion.

An eleventh Victorian team.

Could a team be based in the sprawling south eastern suburbs of Melbourne?

SEQLD aside, it's probably the fastest growing part of the country. Plenty of new Australians as well who may not yet have family allegiances to existing clubs and would get in on the ground floor of a new one.

Genuine home ground, they could enjoy a similar setup that Geelong has in that respect. A lot easier to get to for many Melburnians than the city.


Look, overall I don't really think it is a good idea. The AFL needs to become less Vic-centric, not more. (Indeed, a relocation rather than a new side would be more likely) But interesting to discuss. The AFL have pushed so much s**t up hill with NSW and Qld, you just never know, a team out that way might take off a lot easier and get more money coming in.

Could it work? Would people follow them?

Yeah that’s Hawthorn territory a bit

Also Werribee etc is now fasting growing bit. You are so 1990s/2000s saying this

 

[kickazz]

Yeah that’s Hawthorn territory a bit

Also Werribee etc is now fasting growing bit. You are so 1990s/2000s saying this

Yeah both sides in general growing quickly. Still think SE will more population for quite some time and the population centre is further from the city there.