20th AFL Team

[goodolcollingwood]

Not really. AFL is popular throughout the country and is Australia's iconic indigenous game.
Rugby is popular in only two states but the British banned Australian Football a long time ago.
Australian football is rightfully regaining that ground.

Those two states are over half the population of the entire country. Like it or not Rugby League is just as important to the fabric of this country as footy is.

Only for fans of NRL.
The progress expansion of AFL depends solely on the AFL.
Now that the media cannot hide the popularity of AFL, AFL is going great guns.

The AFL is doing really well expanding into NSW/QLD. With participation and crowds, its doing better than what the NRL is doing into AFL states (although the NRL is also expanding into other areas such as NZ, PNG, and the Pacific).

My point was some people can't help but compare the expansion teams with what the NRL is doing instead of just focusing on its own race. For a lot of people it's bragging rights. For example there are discussions such as 'AFL taking over Queensland' on this very site.

RU tried to expand too quickly AND it chose money over FTA. Big lesson there.

I also think putting all their energy into the international game and neglecting the domestic game hurt them as well. A successful domestic competition is key which is why the AFL and NRL are doing so well.

NRL fans keep reminding everybody how "super league killed us" and now they want to try it again.

It's no secret the sport was badly damaged from the Super League war. We are still seeing the damage today with Balmain and Western Suburbs still having a go at each other.

Not sure what you're getting the want to try it again though? If you're referring to R360, that's a Rugby Union competition.

There are reasons why people follow different sports just like people buy different cars because
because some sports offer more than other sports just like some cars are better than other cars.

Ever since the end of WWII people have been saying soccer will overtake Australian Football, not any other sport, and soccer id no closer to achieving that.

Absolutely agree. People like different things. With sports a lot of it is what you grow up with. The issue both Rugby Union and Soccer have is they don't have a strong domestic competition.

The NRL is fixated with the AFL, but soccer is strongest in the strongest NRL state.
NRL is failing against soccer because it is fixated on the AFL.

The NRL is failing against soccer? Can i ask how? From what I've seen Rugby League dominates in NSW and QLD. If you mean participation, then isnt soccer ahead of footy as well?

Meanwhile the NFL is becoming very popular in Australia. The NRL should keep an eye on that.

They are run in opposite seasons. Both the AFL and NRL have nothing to fear from them.

As I said before, RU is failing badly now and who is major recipient of that - not the NRL
You cannot expect RU or AFL people to indulge NRL after so many fans said they "hate" those codes.

I grew up on footy but I'm beginning to enjoy the odd game of NRL. I thought the grand final this year was amazing. I don't think people should let what people say dictate what sports you want to watch.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Those two states are over half the population of the entire country. Like it or not Rugby League is just as important to the fabric of this country as footy is.

The AFL is doing really well expanding into NSW/QLD. With participation and crowds, its doing better than what the NRL is doing into AFL states (although the NRL is also expanding into other areas such as NZ, PNG, and the Pacific).

My point was some people can't help but compare the expansion teams with what the NRL is doing instead of just focusing on its own race. For a lot of people it's bragging rights. For example there are discussions such as 'AFL taking over Queensland' on this very site.

I also think putting all their energy into the international game and neglecting the domestic game hurt them as well. A successful domestic competition is key which is why the AFL and NRL are doing so well.

It's no secret the sport was badly damaged from the Super League war. We are still seeing the damage today with Balmain and Western Suburbs still having a go at each other.

Not sure what you're getting the want to try it again though? If you're referring to R360, that's a Rugby Union competition.

Absolutely agree. People like different things. With sports a lot of it is what you grow up with. The issue both Rugby Union and Soccer have is they don't have a strong domestic competition.

The NRL is failing against soccer? Can i ask how? From what I've seen Rugby League dominates in NSW and QLD. If you mean participation, then isnt soccer ahead of footy as well?

They are run in opposite seasons. Both the AFL and NRL have nothing to fear from them.

I grew up on footy but I'm beginning to enjoy the odd game of NRL. I thought the grand final this year was amazing. I don't think people should let what people say dictate what sports you want to watch.

No pro-NRL bias here. Genuine footy fan (but one that has zero interest in posting on the Collingwood or any AFL boards and jumped on a AFL forum to discuss not-Afl). 100%.

 

[goodolcollingwood]

No pro-NRL bias here. Genuine footy fan (but one that has zero interest in posting on the Collingwood or any AFL boards and jumped on a AFL forum to discuss not-Afl). 100%.

I literally just made an account and found this thread really interesting. I didn't realise you were gatekeeping who can comment on here.

If you actually read what I said, I said the AFL was doing better than the NRL, not sure how that's an NRL bias but okay.

 

[hampton]

I always find it hilarious when people say rugby league is “only” popular in two states. As though all the states are equal. And trying to use that as some sort of proxy to say afl is more representative of the Australian people at large. The afl would kill to have the popularity that rugby league has in nsw and qld (let alone elsewhere like nz), considering they are 2 of the big 3 states in Australia. To have nsw for example, you’d give up WA, SA, TAS and still be millions ahead on population.

It’s just downright silly to say “only popular in two states” when those two are half of Australia. Even forgetting ACT and other pockets where there is rugby league interest including Victoria (the second of the big 3 states, which has a 20k+ crowd average, solid tv viewership including 700k Victorian’s tuning into the nrl GF, and a promising and growing pathways program)

If you look at heartland vs heartland areas in the Asia pacific region - nrl significantly outnumbers afl in terms of population bases covered.


If you look at Australia only:

AFL heartland states (traditional Aussie Rules majority markets)

• VIC: 6.981m
• WA: 2.965m
• SA: 1.878m
• TAS: 0.575m
  Total (VIC+WA+SA+TAS): ~12.400m (~45.6% of Australia’s population)

Optional add-on (often treated as AFL-leaning due to Aussie Rules prominence):

• NT: 0.255m → ~12.655m total (~46.5%)

NRL heartland states/territory (traditional Rugby League majority markets)

• NSW: 8.484m
• QLD: 5.586m
• ACT: 0.474m
  Total (NSW+QLD+ACT): ~14.545m (~53.5% of Australia’s population)

 

[goodolcollingwood]

I always find it hilarious when people say rugby league is “only” popular in two states. As though all the states are equal. The afl would kill to have the popularity that rugby league has in nsw and qld (let alone elsewhere like nz), considering they are 2 of the big 3 states in Australia. To have nsw for example, you’d give up WA, SA, TAS and still be way further ahead.

It’s just downright silly to say “only popular in two states” when those two are half of Australia. Even forgetting ACT and other pockets where there is rugby league interest including Victoria (the second of the big 3 states, which has a 20k+ crowd average, solid tv viewership including 700k Victorian’s turning into the GF)

I often hear the two states thing but are these people putting Tasmania and South Australian on the same level as a Victoria or NSW? I find it a bit odd tbh.

Back on topic, I like Canberra or Newcastle for the 20th team. The problem with both however is it will take quite a bit of investment on the AFL's behalf for either to be successful. So the question should be 'should the AFL wait until Gold Coast and GWS are self sufficient before investing more money in another expansion side or should they start sooner?

There is a risk going from some media reports that the next television deal could be smaller than the current one so there might be less money in the pot. I'm not too sure what side I sit with this one but it's certainly something that could impact a future decision.

Anyway this is fun to talk about.

 

[kalex6251]

I always find it hilarious when people say rugby league is “only” popular in two states. As though all the states are equal. And trying to use that as some sort of proxy to say afl is more representative of the Australian people at large. The afl would kill to have the popularity that rugby league has in nsw and qld (let alone elsewhere like nz), considering they are 2 of the big 3 states in Australia. To have nsw for example, you’d give up WA, SA, TAS and still be more than double ahead on population.

It’s just downright silly to say “only popular in two states” when those two are half of Australia. Even forgetting ACT and other pockets where there is rugby league interest including Victoria (the second of the big 3 states, which has a 20k+ crowd average, solid tv viewership including 700k Victorian’s tuning into the nrl GF, and a promising and growing pathways program)

If you look at heartland vs heartland areas in the Asia pacific region - nrl significantly outnumbers afl in terms of population bases covered.


If you look at Australia only:

AFL heartland states (traditional Aussie Rules majority markets)

• VIC: 6.981m
• WA: 2.965m
• SA: 1.878m
• TAS: 0.575m
  Total (VIC+WA+SA+TAS): ~12.400m (~45.6% of Australia’s population)

Optional add-on (often treated as AFL-leaning due to Aussie Rules prominence):

• NT: 0.255m → ~12.655m total (~46.5%)

NRL heartland states/territory (traditional Rugby League majority markets)

• NSW: 8.484m
• QLD: 5.586m
• ACT: 0.474m
  Total (NSW+QLD+ACT): ~14.545m (~53.5% of Australia’s population)

why - with 53.5% of the population - are your nrl crowds so $hit?

 

[hampton]

why - with 53.5% of the population - are your nrl crowds so $hit?

NRL crowds aren’t shit it’s just that afl has more of an attendance culture and bat way above average in terms of biggest crowds in all worldwide competitions. Both nrl and afl actually bat above average and both feature in the top 20 average crowds in the world.

AFL ranks 7th and NRL 19th in terms of average crowds.

It’s impressive a country the size of Australia has two highly supported football comps like this, not to mention nbl, aleague, bbl and netball on top.

 

[kalex6251]

NRL crowds aren’t shit it’s just that afl has more of an attendance culture and bat way above average in terms of biggest crowds in all worldwide competitions. Both nrl and afl actually bat above average and both feature in the top 20 average crowds in the world.

AFL ranks 7th and NRL 19th in terms of average crowds.

It’s impressive a country the size of Australia has two highly supported football comps like this, not to mention nbl, aleague, bbl and netball on top.

or .... a good % of that population figure you posted never bought into the 'greatest game of all' marketing cr@p (myself included)

seriously - why are you here?

 

[hampton]

That was kind of the point.

Perth only got a look in because it could be used as a tool to bring the Bears back. It's only a matter of time before the team struggles and the Daily Tele starts posturing to move more games back to NSO or the Central Coast.

The way Peter, "Forget wasting millions in rusted-on AFL states", V'Landys and the Old Boys in Sydney screwed WA is one of the worst acts of bastardry in Australian RL history.

I wouldn’t say that at all. The insight they had from both afl (success of lions, swans vs lack thereof of gws, suns) and nrl (success of dolphins) was to combine a targeted expansion area with an existing brand and fanbase.

Rather than be the Perth Taipans or something and start from scratch they’re building off an already established brand (a foundation club at that) and east coast fanbase. It’s why the lions and swans have solid fanbases in both Victoria and nsw/qld.

It builds immediate attention, affinity, tv viewership, and in the case of Perth bears interest in both the west coast and east coast. They have a potential to be a juggernaut club.

The Perth bears club is a new club, there’s no bringing the bears back anywhere. Norths still exist in Sydney as a completely separate entity.

 

[RedV3x]

Those two states are over half the population of the entire country.

Yes and Australian Football is played there and contributes greatly to the position and strength of Australian Football
in Australia. AFL teams in N.S.W. and Queensland are highly popular within their states and around Australia.
You would be closer in saying that soccer is the dominant sport of N.S.W. and spruking it's importance.

Like it or not Rugby League is

A sport that only exists because the British establishment banned Australian Football many years ago.

important to the fabric of this country

Most Australians don't know that there are two rugbies.

The AFL is doing really well expanding into NSW/QLD.

Australian Football and AFL HAVE expanded and continue to expand.
NRL hasn't.

My point was some people can't help but compare the expansion teams with what the NRL is doing instead of just focusing on its own race.

Yes, I've noticed that from you.

For example there are discussions such as 'AFL taking over Queensland' on this very site.

it's not what I'd allow but then I'm not a mod.

It's no secret the sport was badly damaged from the Super League war. We are still seeing the damage today with Balmain and Western Suburbs still having a go at each other.

Not to mention the Bears and Rabitohs etc.

Not sure what you're getting the want to try it again though?

Two attempts at Perth and now dropping in a failed side.

Absolutely agree. People like different things. With sports a lot of it is what you grow up with.

The other side is having the availability of choice, being able to choose a better sport.
That is changing. Australian Football is becoming more acessable to more people all the time.
The NRL is failing against soccer? Can i ask how? From what I've seen Rugby League dominates in NSW and QLD. If you mean participation, then isnt soccer ahead of footy as well?

The NRL is failing against soccer?

No, The NRL has failed against soccer. Soccer is the dominant participation sport of N.S.W. by far.

They are run in opposite seasons.

Professional soccer is played in summer. The bulk of soccer is played in winter and in N.S.W.

I don't think people should let what people say dictate what sports you want to watch.

Either do i, That's why I dislike how soccer tried to imply the AFL was somehow inferior
and the Sydney media went absolutely berserk in trying to downgrade AFL in Sydney
when Australian Football has had such an important and rich history in N.S.W.

 

[Badger17]

I wouldn’t say that at all.

Then you'd be wrong.

PVL stated outright that he wouldn't support expansion to Perth and didn't change his mind until it was suggested that it could be used as a vehicle to reintroduce the Bears. After that he and NRL railroaded the pre-existing and well respected WARL backed Perth bid and effectively blackmailed the WA government into supporting the Bears.

Suggesting that the Bears situation is at all similar to the Swans relocation is an insult to everybody's intelligence. The Swans never spent 25 years out of the top flight. The Swans were never forced on Sydney at the expense of a viable local alternate. The VFL never hung the Swans license over the NSW government to force them accept them and extract tens of millions of dollars out of the government in the process.

The claim that the two clubs are independent is nonsense on face value. On paper maybe, but in reality the team will be called the Bears and at least half the board is made up of people either directly associated with the North Sydney club or lifetime supporters of said club...

You've also given the game away with your "established" brand, viewership, fanbase, etc, nonsense. Forcing Perth to link with Bears being in the interests of people Sydney and at the expense of people in WA was my point...

The Bears are parasites and the Perth club will be a sick mess unless they're given a course of combantrin to purge them from their system.

 

[Canberra Pear]

I always find it hilarious when people say rugby league is “only” popular in two states. As though all the states are equal. And trying to use that as some sort of proxy to say afl is more representative of the Australian people at large. The afl would kill to have the popularity that rugby league has in nsw and qld (let alone elsewhere like nz), considering they are 2 of the big 3 states in Australia. To have nsw for example, you’d give up WA, SA, TAS and still be millions ahead on population.

It’s just downright silly to say “only popular in two states” when those two are half of Australia. Even forgetting ACT and other pockets where there is rugby league interest including Victoria (the second of the big 3 states, which has a 20k+ crowd average, solid tv viewership including 700k Victorian’s tuning into the nrl GF, and a promising and growing pathways program)

If you look at heartland vs heartland areas in the Asia pacific region - nrl significantly outnumbers afl in terms of population bases covered.


If you look at Australia only:

AFL heartland states (traditional Aussie Rules majority markets)

• VIC: 6.981m
• WA: 2.965m
• SA: 1.878m
• TAS: 0.575m
  Total (VIC+WA+SA+TAS): ~12.400m (~45.6% of Australia’s population)

Optional add-on (often treated as AFL-leaning due to Aussie Rules prominence):

• NT: 0.255m → ~12.655m total (~46.5%)

NRL heartland states/territory (traditional Rugby League majority markets)

• NSW: 8.484m
• QLD: 5.586m
• ACT: 0.474m
  Total (NSW+QLD+ACT): ~14.545m (~53.5% of Australia’s population)

After all this, you're still calling the ACT NRL heartland? NRL-leaning at most, but you could probably include the territory in both sections.

And yet somehow Canberra is too AFL-leaning to be worth expanding to?

 

[goodolcollingwood]

Yes and Australian Football is played there and contributes greatly to the position and strength of Australian Football
in Australia. AFL teams in N.S.W. and Queensland are highly popular within their states and around Australia.
You would be closer in saying that soccer is the dominant sport of N.S.W. and spruking it's importance.

Respectfully it appears to me that you have a real dislike of Rugby League that comes through with the way you speak.

A sport that only exists because the British establishment banned Australian Football many years ago.

Is this why you dislike the sport?

Most Australians don't know that there are two rugbies.

I'm not sure that's quite true but if it is it speaks to the downfall of Rugby Union in this country more than anything.

Australian Football and AFL HAVE expanded and continue to expand.
NRL hasn't.

Footy has definitely done a better job but NRL has done pretty well in Auckland from what I hear, and the Storm are pretty successful.

Yes, I've noticed that from you.

It's very noticeable in the short time I've been on here that there's a real dislike from a lot of people about anything that isn't anti-NRL. It's making having a proper discussion quite difficult unless you tow the line. I honestly expected better.

it's not what I'd allow but then I'm not a mod.

Fair enough.

Two attempts at Perth and now dropping in a failed side.

I'm mixed on Perth. I don't think going the Bears route was the right decision but I don't think it will matter in the end. I get the feeling they will be a success this time round.

The other side is having the availability of choice, being able to choose a better sport.
That is changing. Australian Football is becoming more acessable to more people all the time.

Better is subjective. Whilst I agree that footy is the better sport, I don't think the NRL is that bad. it's grown on me the last year.

No, The NRL has failed against soccer. Soccer is the dominant participation sport of N.S.W. by far.

Isn't soccer and basketball the dominant participation sport in Victoria? By that logic would soccer be a bigger sport than American Football in the USA?

Either do i, That's why I dislike how soccer tried to imply the AFL was somehow inferior
and the Sydney media went absolutely berserk in trying to downgrade AFL in Sydney
when Australian Football has had such an important and rich history in N.S.W.

I think you're letting the media impact you more than it should. The media is pro NRL in NSW because its their biggest sport. They write what people want to read.

 

[hampton]

Then you'd be wrong.

PVL stated outright that he wouldn't support expansion to Perth and didn't change his mind until it was suggested that it could be used as a vehicle to reintroduce the Bears. After that he and NRL railroaded the pre-existing and well respected WARL backed Perth bid and effectively blackmailed the WA government into supporting the Bears.

Suggesting that the Bears situation is at all similar to the Swans relocation is an insult to everybody's intelligence. The Swans never spent 25 years out of the top flight. The Swans were never forced on Sydney at the expense of a viable local alternate. The VFL never hung the Swans license over the NSW government to force them accept them and extract tens of millions of dollars out of the government in the process.

The claim that the two clubs are independent is nonsense on face value. On paper maybe, but in reality the team will be called the Bears and at least half the board is made up of people either directly associated with the North Sydney club or lifetime supporters of said club...

You've also given the game away with your "established" brand, viewership, fanbase, etc, nonsense. Forcing Perth to link with Bears being in the interests of people Sydney and at the expense of people in WA was my point...

The Bears are parasites and the Perth club will be a sick mess unless they're given a course of combantrin to purge them from their system.

More like he wanted to gain support for the idea of resurrecting the bears brand and attaching it to a new location as a means of gathering support. He knew that bringing back the bears brand and attaching it to Perth might be controversial so he used every opportunity to talk up the bears brand and how everyone has been asking him to bring them back. He wanted to make it an inevitable and non-negotiable part.

The goal was to expand to Perth successfully, not to resurrect the bears brand. Why? At the most superficial layer, once PVL understood adding Perth as another metro would help help tv rights it went to priority. As he learnt more about the game and benefits of expansion he’s changed his tune away from ‘rusted on AFL states don’t matter to us’.

What makes him a good leader is his ability to learn, grow, adopt new perspectives and change his mind on things. Unlike a lot of people in here!

 

[hampton]

After all this, you're still calling the ACT NRL heartland? NRL-leaning at most, but you could probably include the territory in both sections.

And yet somehow Canberra is too AFL-leaning to be worth expanding to?

I also put NT in with AFL even though that’s also a mixed code state. As for ACT is might have lots of support for AFL but if it belongs anywhere it certainly sits with rugby league heartland as shown by the last 40 years of history and supported by the google trends.

 

[hampton]

the Sydney media went absolutely berserk in trying to downgrade AFL in Sydney
when Australian Football has had such an important and rich history in N.S.W.

Meanwhile in WA. Never ever have I seen anything like this in Sydney about the Swans.

 

[Canberra Pear]

I also put NT in with AFL even though that’s also a mixed code state.

But you even undermined it. You put the NT as "AFL leaning", but the ACT as "NRL heartland". It's subtle, but you're underplaying the strength of AFL in one area, while overplaying NRL's strength in another.

As for ACT is might have lots of support for AFL but if it belongs anywhere it sits with rugby league heartland as shown by the last 40 years of history.

And that's the issue. Does it belong in either?

When I walk down the street and see pretty equal amounts of AFL/NRL merch and bumper stickers, and I see AFL mostly used as the ice-breaker at new work and social introductions, it certainly doesn't feel like NRL heartland.

Not saying it's AFL heartland either. But calling it NRL heartland goes against what I see on a daily basis.

 

[RedV3x]

Meanwhile in WA. Never ever have I seen anything like this in Sydney about the Swans.

So you obviously weren't around in the 1980s when the Swans came to town because absolutely nobody would dispuute the fact that Sydney media was totally, aggressively, demonstratively, against the introduction of the Sydney Swans.

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I love this. They've used an old NSWRL slogan to demonstarte how SYDNEY people think about the Bears.

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Well, we wouldn't have the Bears if there was any accountability.
The NRL know Perth is not ready for NRL else they would have gone ahead without government money.

Thanks. I love the posters.

 

[hampton]

But you even undermined it. You put the NT as "AFL leaning", but the ACT as "NRL heartland". It's subtle, but you're underplaying the strength of AFL in one area, while overplaying NRL's strength in another.

Actually that’s straight up copy pasted from chatpgt so you can blame AI if they’re leaning towards NRL that way.still put the NT population in for AFL

And that's the issue. Does it belong in either?

When I walk down the street and see pretty equal amounts of AFL/NRL merch and bumper stickers, and I see AFL mostly used as the ice-breaker at new work and social introductions, it certainly doesn't feel like NRL heartland.

Not saying it's AFL heartland either. But calling it NRL heartland goes against what I see on a daily basis.

Way more rugby league clubs in ACT than AFL, professional club last 40 years, significantly more google trends searches, all say it’s nrl heartland to me. Where do you draw the line otherwise.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Depends on the execution, previous posters including the ones being replied to have discussed playing afl games out of Albury or Riverina, basing operations across these multiple areas. Trying to draw a shared identity as well through whatever the club is named. That’s where the problems I mentioned come.

Basically if you have identity, operations/football development, professional games etc shared across two states is when I see the issues coming.

If it’s a purely a Canberra team then obviously it doesn’t have those drawbacks.

There is some history backing the suggestion.

NSW/ACT (also known as NSW-ACT and nicknamed the 'Rams'), is an underage Australian rules football representative team managed by AFL NSW/ACT. The team represents New South Wales and the Australian Capital Territory and its moniker, partly derived as an acronym from Riverina, ACT, Murrumbidgee and Sydney, the four regions supplying the bulk of the team's squad, also evokes the rural nature of the area. The team is based at the Blacktown International Sports Park in Western Sydney and has training hubs in Canberra, Sydney, Albury, Wodonga, Newcastle and Coffs Harbour. It has both Under 16 and Under 18 squads for male and female players.


Considering we've added a second Sydney side since the peak years of the RAMS, conceptually adding a secondary 'home' (much like GWS witn Canberra itself) to a potential Canberra AFL side actually gives it some merit.

 

[Canberra Pear]

Actually that’s straight up copy pasted from chatpgt so you can blame AI if they’re leaning towards NRL that way.still put the NT population in for AFL

You need to dig a little deeper than AI. Of course if you ask it it just picks the sport that actually has a local team.

Way more rugby league clubs in ACT than AFL, professional club last 40 years, significantly more google trends searches, all say it’s nrl heartland to me. Where do you draw the line otherwise.

What would you consider "way more"?

There are 12 senior men's rugby league teams in the ACT. 29 senior men's Aussie Rules teams in the ACT.

 

[BigChippa52]

Meanwhile in WA. Never ever have I seen anything like this in Sydney about the Swans.

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front page news, there's plenty of it, just in denial, thought i would look for older stuff, but hard to find anything from when they moved to sydney since it's so old

 

[hampton]

What would you consider "way more"?

There are 12 senior men's rugby league teams in the ACT. 29 senior men's Aussie Rules teams in the ACT.

Not sure what your definition is here but there are 36 rugby league clubs listed under CRRL participation (adults and juniors) website. And 27 afl clubs listed under AFL Canberra website (adults and juniors websites combined)

This is about 35% higher for league, which is also in line with the google trends data and other data points to suggest there is a significantly higher impact of rugby league in Canberra though still strong interest in afl.

 

[hampton]

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front page news, there's plenty of it, just in denial, thought i would look for older stuff, but hard to find anything from when they moved to sydney since it's so old

What the hell, how are these ‘bagging’ the swans or anything close to how the Kerry Stokes self-interested seven west media is treating the bears? If anything they’re showing how Sydney media has supported the swans.

They’re reporting on the racism trends in the AFL which were / still are super ugly and a blight on the AFL - actually a legitimate issue to be reporting on

 

[BigChippa52]

What the hell, how are these ‘bagging’ the swans or anything close to how the Kerry Stokes self-interested seven west media is treating the bears?

more or so on Adam Goodes, but front page news proper up the club and his stance, but sydney cares about the swans theres plenty of front page stuff on the club your just in denial no one outside of nsw or qld gives 2 ****s about leauge or nrl