Past #22: Todd Goldstein - has advised NMFC he will seek opportunity at Essendon in '24 - 316 NM games/156 goals/'15 SBM/'15 AA/most hitouts in lge history

[Bigeasy]

He definately looks preoccupied.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Are you trying to bate me?

Not really into that kind of thing.......

No, im not. Your position on players is normally very salient but in this instance your defence of Goldy is strange to me. There seems no logic to it.

 

[GarnerSmash]

he was in the bests.

6th best in a team that got beaten by 45 points. His direct opponent was 2nd best for the winning team. He got done.

 

[Snake_Baker]

No, im not. Your position on players is normally very salient but in this instance your defence of Goldy is strange to me. There seems no logic to it.

Nothing strange about bringing balance to the discussion. You yourself seem to have made the unusual step of straying in to confirmation bias territory. You're better than that.

I actually support the idea of putting him in the seconds to regain his touch.

Also, the bullshit from some posters, relating to Majak as a viable alternative, is right off the charts, and also impels me to bring balance to the discussion..

 

[koshari]

Also, the bullshit from some posters, relating to Majak as a viable alternative, is right off the charts, and also impels me to bring balance to the discussion..

I think there is a bit of over the top commentary both pumping his tires unnecessarily and unwarranted criticism. fact is with maj for a 195cm ruckman he is more than serviceable, and his forward work definitely makes him a more than worthy 3rd tall if the occasion calls for it. the thing with Majak is where do we decide he is best suited and its possible there may be better options in both roles on any given day.

having said that you could hardly criticize his rucking work against * using goldy work this year as a reference.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Nothing strange about bringing balance to the discussion. You yourself seem to have made the unusual step of straying in to confirmation bias territory. You're better than that.

I actually support the idea of putting him in the seconds to regain his touch.

Also, the bullshit from some posters, relating to Majak as a viable alternative, is right off the charts, and also impels me to bring balance to the discussion..

I don't think I am undertaking any confirmation bias at all. His numbers have dropped off from his best over the last few years, that is indisputable. From available evidence he got beaten in the VFL on the weekend by his direct opponent.

But its not just stats. Its impact. Compared to his previous years his impact in and around the contest this year simply does not pass the eye test. He is a shell of his former self, a shell which is still a decent ruck, but we expect more from Goldy because he is capable of so much more. When we needed him to stand up, he stood up. I'm calling a spade a spade mate.

Is he a better ruck option that Daw? Yep. Is he a better ruck option that Preuss? Yep. Would I prefer to see either of them in for the purpose of their development over Goldy? Daw, not really, Preuss yep. Would we be losing a lot if we played Preuss over Goldy at AFL level? I don't think so, until he starts to tire, which at this stage is happening to half the team because of their youth so no biggie.

In short, Goldy has dropped off. He is still pretty good, but he is not where he should be statistically or impact wise.

 

[kangaspurs]

Nothing strange about bringing balance to the discussion. You yourself seem to have made the unusual step of straying in to confirmation bias territory. You're better than that.

I actually support the idea of putting him in the seconds to regain his touch.

Also, the bullshit from some posters, relating to Majak as a viable alternative, is right off the charts, and also impels me to bring balance to the discussion..

Come on, mate. You engage in confirmation bias as much as anyone else.

Only pointing to the fact that he was 6th best while conveniently ignoring the fact that his opponent was 2nd best in a 45 point win. Looking only at the hitouts and ignoring the other significant areas where his opponent comprehensively beat him.

In the Dumont discussion, ignoring all other stats other than the ones that made your point. Engaging in false equivalence by comparing him and his numbers to Merret.

Don't get me wrong, I do it as well; pretty much everyone does, but it's a little rich to characterise yourself as some sort of paragon of balance.

 

[Zondor]

Come on, mate. You engage in confirmation bias as much as anyone else.

Only pointing to the fact that he was 6th best while conveniently ignoring the fact that his opponent was 2nd best in a 45 point win. Looking only at the hitouts and ignoring the other significant areas where his opponent comprehensively beat him.

In the Dumont discussion, ignoring all other stats other than the ones that made your point. Engaging in false equivalence by comparing him and his numbers to Merret.

Don't get me wrong, I do it as well; pretty much everyone does, but it's a little rich to characterise yourself as some sort of paragon of balance.

:smirk look. Yep.

 

[shniko11]

I don't think I am undertaking any confirmation bias at all. His numbers have dropped off from his best over the last few years, that is indisputable. From available evidence he got beaten in the VFL on the weekend by his direct opponent.

But its not just stats. Its impact. Compared to his previous years his impact in and around the contest this year simply does not pass the eye test. He is a shell of his former self, a shell which is still a decent ruck, but we expect more from Goldy because he is capable of so much more. When we needed him to stand up, he stood up. I'm calling a spade a spade mate.

Is he a better ruck option that Daw? Yep. Is he a better ruck option that Preuss? Yep. Would I prefer to see either of them in for the purpose of their development over Goldy? Daw, not really, Preuss yep. Would we be losing a lot if we played Preuss over Goldy at AFL level? I don't think so, until he starts to tire, which at this stage is happening to half the team because of their youth so no biggie.

In short, Goldy has dropped off. He is still pretty good, but he is not where he should be statistically or impact wise.

Exactly i think most here understand that Daw is very lucky to have played last week. He looked slightly better playing just as Ruck.

But the fact Preuss is injured for how long i don't know. And Goldy got beaten clearly by a VFL Ruckman in every stat except hitouts which he broke even.

So unless Preuss is available to take Daw's spot then you can't bring back Goldy on last weeks performance or what was the point of dropping Goldy in the first place.

Daw's career in the seniors is on the line or he will see out his career in the VFL no doubt so if Pruess isn't right to go he gets another chance this week imo.

 

[Bigeasy]

Daw needs to get angry.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Whole lotta bullshit going on in here.

He's a footballer just like any other footballer, and I refuse to shift the boundaries for him due to anything other than football.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

It might be a coincidence that Ben10 had his worst game in a while with Goldy out. Or it might not. A team is an ecosystem, is my point.

 

[Horizons_00]

We got flogged in the clearances when he didn't play.

50 to 27. Please tell me how that is actually better than before?

Good point! Wonder how many of those Taps/clearances were to advantage?

 

[ferball]

It might be a coincidence that Ben10 had his worst game in a while with Goldy out. Or it might not. A team is an ecosystem, is my point.

I've watched some of the replay, specifically to see cunners and he was on his own at multiple centre bounces but maj didn't tap to him. I thought he should have in those instances too. Its actually got me a bit more down on Maj than i was.

 

[ferball]

We got flogged in the clearances when he didn't play.

50 to 27. Please tell me how that is actually better than before?

It might be a coincidence that Ben10 had his worst game in a while with Goldy out. Or it might not. A team is an ecosystem, is my point.

Further to that JZ was also out for the first time in a long time. That is half the centre square not playing.

 

[ThePezDispenser]

It might be a coincidence that Ben10 had his worst game in a while with Goldy out. Or it might not. A team is an ecosystem, is my point.

I'd put it down to Ben10 being due for a bad game really. He has enough of them each year.

 

[giantroo]

"(Goldstein)'s certainly in the frame. He went back and played okay," Scott said.

"We're still looking to get Todd back to his very best and it's fair to say he's not at his very best at the moment, so we've got a decision to make. A fair bit of it will depend on how Preuss trains today."

 

[Boomerfan99]

Daw needs to get angry.

Isn't that what we all said last week.

 

[giantroo]

 

[shniko11]

Well that's more like it Goldy more of this please.

 

[Snake_Baker]

He still fumbled a few touches, but he is a significantly better ruck option than Daw & an injured Preuss.

 

[darko]

Well done Goldy. Will come in this week.

 

[giantroo]

Goldy stats

16 Disposals
2 goals
6 Kicks
10 hb
4 marks
2 tackles
58 hitouts
127 DT

 

[giantroo]

 

[Snake_Baker]

This got the Bees going.

A excellent pack mark. We need 3 of these a game in the AFL