Past #26: Tarryn Thomas [Part III] - [C.Twomey] AFL rules TT is eligible to play in all competitions as of 14 October

[William Caresser]

Yes, that ‘indicative timeline’ thing always works well…

Christmas end date as AFL releases details on Hawks probe

The AFL has released its terms of reference into the Hawthorn racism probe, allowing mediation between parties and setting a December 22 end date.

thewest.com.au

Far less complicated scenario in this instance. But either way, provide ~ dates and if they have to change, explain why.

 

[krakouers]

I remember a time when i was 15, i was alone, school holidays, I was interested in seeing how many times I could in 24 hours.

Based on that bit of research I concluded: yes, yes you can over do it.

I think I actually had friction burns from memory

Ah, the teenage years

 

[gerry101101]

Far less complicated scenario in this instance. But either way, provide ~ dates and if they have to change, explain why.

Yeah - I agree; just raised it for a laugh.

 

[Samsquanch]

Ah, the teenage years

Careful. I think Ligma is still a teenager.

 

[gerry101101]

Careful. I think Ligma is still a teenager.

 

[Val Keating]

Careful. I think Ligma is still a teenager.

Careful, you’ll be summoned to the big footy integrity unit

 

[Merlin007]

It's not about Thomas's particular case. It's about the AFL providing procedural fairness for players, coaches, employees etc - when complaints are made against them. That includes having a documented, standard set of processes which provide indicative timelines for a decision. Instead, the AFL run a murky process that just fuels speculation and does nothing to help clubs whatsoever.

Have you actually read the AFL policy under which this matter is being processed? You'll see that procedural fairness is at the heart of the process, for all parties, see:

https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/AFL-Respect-and-Responsibility-Policy.pdf

In particular, note the following principle:

Limiting further harm to complainant by maintaining confidentiality and minimising media scrutiny.

I'd respectfully suggest there's lots of posters here who would do well by adopting this approach

 

[Passmore]

I remember a time when i was 15, i was alone, school holidays, I was interested in seeing how many times I could in 24 hours.

Based on that bit of research I concluded: yes, yes you can over do it.

I think I actually had friction burns from memory

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[marklovesbeer]

We can and will match any financial offer.

Source or opinion?

 

[William Caresser]

Have you actually read the AFL policy under which this matter is being processed? You'll see that procedural fairness is at the heart of the process, for all parties, see:

https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/AFL-Respect-and-Responsibility-Policy.pdf

In particular, note the following principle:

Limiting further harm to complainant by maintaining confidentiality and minimising media scrutiny.

I'd respectfully suggest there's lots of posters here who would do well by adopting this approach

I don't see that at all actually. I see on p.13 that the 'AFL Head of Integrity makes the decision as to the investigation process' which really doesn't say much. Then no detail explaining if the Integrity Head or Unit also makes the judgement on the player's innocence or guilt, and if they also determine the penalty. It's also not clear if a player can appeal either the decision or the severity of the sentence. So too murky for my liking.

 

[Val Keating]

Have you actually read the AFL policy under which this matter is being processed? You'll see that procedural fairness is at the heart of the process, for all parties, see:

https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/AFL-Respect-and-Responsibility-Policy.pdf

In particular, note the following principle:

Limiting further harm to complainant by maintaining confidentiality and minimising media scrutiny.

I'd respectfully suggest there's lots of posters here who would do well by adopting this approach

The AFL only care about brand protection, which includes turning a blind eye and covering for marquee players.

 

[Dan]

I remember a time when i was 15, i was alone, school holidays, I was interested in seeing how many times I could in 24 hours.

Based on that bit of research I concluded: yes, yes you can over do it.

I think I actually had friction burns from memory

You watched a lot of late night sbs didn’t you?

 

[desie]

I remember a time when i was 15, i was alone, school holidays, I was interested in seeing how many times I could in 24 hours.

Based on that bit of research I concluded: yes, yes you can over do it.

I think I actually had friction burns from memory

I knew a bloke whose nickname was Shooter.

When I enquired why I was told because he had once ‘abused himself’ six times in one day.

 

[Ligma]

Careful. I think Ligma is still a teenager.

No

 

[gustaaf]

I don't see that at all actually. I see on p.13 that the 'AFL Head of Integrity makes the decision as to the investigation process' which really doesn't say much. Then no detail explaining if the Integrity Head or Unit also makes the judgement on the player's innocence or guilt, and if they also determine the penalty. It's also not clear if a player can appeal either the decision or the severity of the sentence. So too murky for my liking.

I'd like to think there would be some sort of a tribunal hearing if the AFL believes TT has a case to answer. TT has thus far only been interviewed by the AFL Integrity committee or whatever they are called. I assume that the investigative committee then deliberates to come to a (interim) verdict, which could result in a formal charge based on the balance of the evidence available, including any punishment if the AFL deems TT to be guilty of an offence that is serious enough for that to be warranted. TT/North should then have the opportunity to either accept or challenge the verdict in a closed tribunal hearing. If that last step is not in place that would seem to be a denial of procedural fairness and therefore a potential denial of justice. Thus far TT has only been interviewed as part of the AFL's information gathering process, which is not the same as a tribunal hearing.

As for Limiting further harm to complainant by maintaining confidentiality and minimising media scrutiny, the AFL blew that when they leaked the complaint against TT and details about his scheduled interview. Another own goal by the AFL.

 

[amaz199]

I remember a time when i was 15, i was alone, school holidays, I was interested in seeing how many times I could in 24 hours.

Based on that bit of research I concluded: yes, yes you can over do it.

I think I actually had friction burns from memory

 

[Samsquanch]

No

What's your uncle getting you for your 21st? It must be soon.

Hopefully not cheap-ass vodka from Dan's like before.

 

[tw0kbydesign]

Let's define lengthy.

Hard to see anything more than three games on the top.

And the AFL does like a suspension imposed on players who wouldn't have got a game anyway

That's true. That fella out at Melbourne that isn't Clayton Oliver is a testament to that

 

[tw0kbydesign]

I think the club would be less likely to offer him a big lengthy contract would be my main reason.

Some players walk the walk. Like Jordan de goey over at Collingwood. I feel taz has the same kinda potential as de goey showed in that grand final. Sky high hopes I know, but I just get the feeling he's Shaun Burgoyne mk 2. He's not Daniel Wells (who was my favourite player forever and a day) I think he has more ego than wellsy. Though wellsy could do more than most players could.

 

[tw0kbydesign]

I remember a time when i was 15, i was alone, school holidays, I was interested in seeing how many times I could in 24 hours.

Based on that bit of research I concluded: yes, yes you can over do it.

I think I actually had friction burns from memory

My records 17 over a 24 hour stretch. I am not transgender (many clouds later)

 

[tw0kbydesign]

My records 17 over a 24 hour stretch. I am not transgender (many clouds later)

And there were a few broken banjo strings resulting in hospital visits in other attempts, wouldn't recommend!

 

[Merlin007]

As for Limiting further harm to complainant by maintaining confidentiality and minimising media scrutiny, the AFL blew that when they leaked the complaint against TT and details about his scheduled interview. Another own goal by the AFL.

I get that we all love to hate the AFL, but what is the actual evidence for this? There's at least two levels of problem here - (a) we need to assume the press reports are accurate (and like, journos never take a stab in the dark for the sake of story, we all know that) and (b) what motive does any officer of the AFL have to leak anything?

 

[Merlin007]

I understand people 'want an answer', but having managed a professional standards unit in a large organisation, I can assure those interested that these things rarely run on time. Causes for delay are long and varied, but include:

a. the investigator asking the complainant for further and better particulars
b. providing the subject of the complaint the opportunity to respond to those further particulars
c. a request(s) from the complainant or the subject of the complaint for extensions of time (the reasons for which might be many and varied, eg, illness)
d. referral of findings to external legal opinion to ensure those findings are properly based, and 'will stand up'

Complexities like these are much more likely to be in play than any ulterior motive of the AFL to spin the process out (and in any event, I can't see what such a motive might be)

 

[Kanga Kings]

Penalty will drop at 5pm on a Friday

 

[Del191229]

I understand people 'want an answer', but having managed a professional standards unit in a large organisation, I can assure those interested that these things rarely run on time. Causes for delay are long and varied, but include:

a. the investigator asking the complainant for further and better particulars
b. providing the subject of the complaint the opportunity to respond to those further particulars
c. a request(s) from the complainant or the subject of the complaint for extensions of time (the reasons for which might be many and varied, eg, illness)
d. referral of findings to external legal opinion to ensure those findings are properly based, and 'will stand up'

Complexities like these are much more likely to be in play than any ulterior motive of the AFL to spin the process out (and in any event, I can't see what such a motive might be)

Very good points.

If the AFL have indicated they are going to make an adverse finding which could entail suspension, I'd expect Tarryn's lawyer and manager to be pulling out all the stops.

It could be career killing in a contract year.