2nd Sydney Team?

[IDGAF]

You are aware, of course, that there were huge liquidity concerns on our club last year?

Due to poor management .......

Unlike the three or four other clubs in our situation which suffer from inherent and chronic lack of resources . At the risk of sounding like a cracked record , our club is the sleeper of the AFL , an untapped pot of gold just waiting for the right regime to dig it up .We fill the biggest grounds in the league on the back of two wins in a row . We are passionate , we get behind our team . We give the league another dimension when we are up and running .

Top marks for trying to justify your viewpoint CJH , but seriously , as oxx said , if they had to parcel up the RFC and send it interstate , you may as well only have three teams out of melb .

And anyway , it is " Un-Richmond " like to even consider such a ridiculous scenario .

 

[evo]

Don't get stuck into CJH when he put the rider right at the beginning of his post that he didn't want this to happen.

Secondly, i think you're scenario sux, CJH lol

Thirdly, the more we talk about it, the more angrier ppl will get and hopefully they will do what supporters like Evo have absolutely no idea about doing ...



... and that is to buy a membership and support the club.

Froars.I've been buying a memebership every year for 30 years.

Plus other donations over the years.And I go to nearly every game.

Nice selctive quoting BTW.I mentioned I buy a membership in the next sentence.

 

[IDGAF]

since when do sydney get over 40,000 at the SCG? Hardly ever. They usually get 25,000-30,000 at best. Hey IDGAF, think before you reply. They only get a big crowd at Telstra because they are playing Collingwood, but even then they don't sell the stadium out.

Ignorance

It`s all about the marketplace , and i`m not talking about buying your fruit and veg

 

[froars]

Evo, you asked the question what can supporters do about it, when you had all the answers before you and you've been doing it for 30 years. You can't do much more than that, but supporters who haven't been doing that and feel passionate enough about the club, should put their money where their mouth is and buy a membership.

The selective posting was not directed at you but to those who aren't members. You just happened to raise the question

 

[evo]

Ok.Nice escape.

This is sort of what I'm getting at with my other posts.

All CJH is acheiving here is pitting supporter against supporter.

It acheives nothing except causes bickering and division.

 

[Harvey Leadpipe]

since when do sydney get over 40,000 at the SCG? Hardly ever. They usually get 25,000-30,000 at best. Hey IDGAF, think before you reply. They only get a big crowd at Telstra because they are playing Collingwood, but even then they don't sell the stadium out.

During the season, the MCG only sells out once a year, ANZAC Day, but big crowds still turn up without selling the place out. They do generate large crowds at Telstra, more than enough the justify it being a viable football venue. However, I agree with you in a way MT, sending the mighty Tiges up there would be of no value to anyone. Sydney would not warm to another team quickly, especially a ring-in from another state, they even turn off the Swans to a certain degree if they have a lean year.

Additionally, I don't share the enthusiam that a lot of Melbourne based Tiges supporters would continue to purchase memberships of any sort if we ever relocated. I for one would feel as if the Richmond Football Club had died, and that both our admin and the AFL had let me down if it did ever come to fruition. I would not purchase a membership, and would probably feel disenchanted about the sport, to the point where I probably wouldn't give a fuhk about the AFL, and simply follow Coburg or even just local footy. Our headstrong supporters will never let this happen, as even the hermits would come out of the woodwork if it were ever a real chance of happening, although I'm sure we'd all like to see our on-field success be the impetus for our surging membership.

As IDGAF has already mentioned, it is "un-Richmond" to conceive the idea that we'd move, and I would be one of the 30,000 at the Murray with my uzi, or whatever weapon I could come across, trying to stop anything remotely Black and Yellow crossing that border.

 

[froars]

It doesn't have to cause division, Evo - none of us want to see CJH's scenario come true. But getting angry about it and sitting back and not having a membership - WHEN ONE CAN AFFORD IT - is a bit hypocritical IMO.

No names, no pack drill

 

[Big Punt]

CJH reckons many tiger supporters would follow the team if it moved to Sydney, but I don't think so. To me, the name "Richmond" and the Punt Road ground itself are a major part of the passion that is generated. Take those away, and the passion is gone.

Anyway its all academic, it won't happen, coz we simply won't let it happen. The "Save our Skins" will look like a picnic compared to the almighty uprising that would occur if this was proposed.

 

[Bert Foster]

Much ado about nothing.

Richmond will not become a second team in Sydney in the forseeable future. Why? Because no team will become a second team in Sydney in the forseeable future.

Listen to Richard Colless or Miles Baron-Hay at the Swans. In almost every speech they make they include a reference to Sydney being the hardest football market in the world. There is some merit to this. They are peddling Aussie Rules - but competing with three other, strong and viable football codes. No other city in the world has to deal with that.

Rugby League has been down, and attracts only mediocre crowds compared with AFL, but dominates the hearts and minds of Western Sydney. Moreover, it dominates TV and the Press. Pick up a Sunday rag - 20 pages of Rugby League, one page max of Aussie Rules.

Rugby Union dominates the lower North Shore and Eastern Suburbs - or the Chardonnay Set as it is referred to. This also happens to be the Swans target market.

Soccer is the dominant force at school level. This is critical. The stats about adoption of AFL at school level in Sydney do not stack up.

What's more, and another poster mentioned this, the Swans have not had the success they need. While that is the case, there is no way known they would stand back and allow another team to attempt to pinch the Western Sydney. And while the Sydney market remains as is, no team would want to.

The Tiges may have their problems, but let me assure you, a move to Sydney is not part of the solution.

 

[SaveFeriss]

I just dont get how he could possibly see it as us in the firing line. I mean there are 3-4 clubs in Melbourne who will be forced out before us.. Bulldogs, North, Hawthorn and Melbourne. Its an absolute disgrace that CJH would even entertain the idea, AND post it on the main ********ing board so other supporters can ridicule us even more!!

I'd rather die than end up as another Brisbane-Fiztroy take over..

Thanks CJH, you just give opposition posters here all the more to laugh about us!

Great contribution!!!!! Wheres an Up Yours Smiley when you need one

 

[rfctigerarmy]

Well, have a look. The 'better' posters (the ones who get all the votes at the end of the year) have come out all bias as per usual.

What a bloody surprise. I dont know how many of you actually READ what CJH posted but, it seems as if a fair few have.

How many of us, in our right minds would want Richmond to die? Zero. Simple as that. No one here wants the Tigers to move. I'd bet that even the NSW based Richmond supporters would want us to move.

CJH CLEARLY stated his own opinion and then, stated what he thought the AFL would think about the proposal. He is just trying to weigh up the circumstances that might (unlikely) take place.

Thats how I saw it.

EDIT* Just like to state my own opinon;

Obviously do not want us to move, I fell there would be too much backlash if the case were to happen. I must say these rumours wouldnt help our membership, thats for sure.

 

[CJH]

CJH,

You say believing we are one of the top 4 is ignorant.?

Seems to me like you're being sucked in by the media and as such becoming of the same mindset.

All u offer is hypothetical crap,the type the media thrive on.

LMAOO@This little piece of drama.

Oxx,

My point here is.. it is a disgrace that we are a Big 4 club AND churning out muliti million dollar losses.

And yes, it may well be hypothetical crap.

 

[CJH]

You don't particulalry like it CJH ?

You're the bloody one proposing it.

You remind me of those Melbourne members voting to merge with Hawthorn."Oh, we don't WANT to merge with Hawthorn but we have to"
Don Scott proved them wrong.Hawthorn are now most likely a top 4 Victorian club.
We have one 2m$ loss and you start propsing stuff like this CJH.
Good luck ,but you'll never get me voting Richmond out of exhistance.

I wish you were there Friday at the Family day CJH.

You could've got up in front of the 5 or 6000 people there and told them of your masterplan.

We have lost about $3.5 million over the past 2 years. We were within an ace of receivership last year.

This is not my masterplan. More like my nightmare. The fact is that a stadium is being built in the Western Suburbs of Sydney and if the likes of Bob Carr are floating the idea of moving an AFL club there, then you can bet that it has been discussed at AFL executive level.

We just cannot be so complacent in thinking that it will not be us that moves.

CJH is saying it's the supporters fault.It's not us running the club it's CC.

...

But it was the supporters who voted CC back in with an overwhelming mandate.

 

[Backpocket]

I moved here because of the tiges.......

i also follow the Cleveland Browns.......ask their fans how they felt when the team moved to Baltimore........mind you the Baltimore Ravens went on to win a superbowl......but nevermind they're back!....and just as crap as before but i love it!!.....

Richmond to Sydney..........pffftttt

your giving me heart palputations.....

 

[CJH]

your probably right PRR but i can't really work out what you or CJH want me or other supporters to do about it.

...

I get the feeling that collectively we complacently stood by while an efficiently managed, profitable club under the Daphne years was turned into a complete train wreck in a 2 year period by CC.

Then after all this was revealed, we voted the guy back in again with a landslide victory.

So what can we do?

We can be vocal and antagonistic towards the club to ensure that it doesn't happen again. Keep in their faces. To coin the phrase of the Democrat's - Keep the bastards honest.

For us to be in this position is completely unacceptable.

 

[CJH]

I just dont get how he could possibly see it as us in the firing line. I mean there are 3-4 clubs in Melbourne who will be forced out before us.. Bulldogs, North, Hawthorn and Melbourne.

Perhaps this is an overiding objective. To open your eyes to see that it is possible. And to open the possibility of fighting back before it is too late.

Of the 4 other clubs you've mentioned... I would think that none of them are safe even though both the Bulldogs and Hawthorn have strategically aligned themselves with geographical regions within Melbourne.

Hawthorn have been paving the way into Tasmania; Melbourne have been playing home games in Brisbane and the Kangaroos in Canberra. Is this a conditioning exercise for their supporters?

Its an absolute disgrace that CJH would even entertain the idea, AND post it on the main ********ing board so other supporters can ridicule us even more!!

I'd rather die than end up as another Brisbane-Fiztroy take over..

Thanks CJH, you just give opposition posters here all the more to laugh about us!

Great contribution!!!!! Wheres an Up Yours Smiley when you need one

OK, posting it on the main board wasn't probably one of my finer moments. Still, it did open the debate.

I do not, however, apologise for floating the idea. I did not like the complacent attitude we seemed to have regarding our birthright to remain in our current state, especially considering how vulnerable we are.

And do not doubt for one minute that we are vulnerable.

We do have the potential to rival Essendon and Collingwood but potential and $2 will buy you a cappucino at a coffee shop.

Until CC delivers on his promises and we are viable and stable, we will continue to remain vulnerable.

 

[oxx]

Oxx,

My point here is.. it is a disgrace that we are a Big 4 club AND churning out muliti million dollar losses.

And yes, it may well be hypothetical crap.

That makes it a lot clearer CJ.
It didn't read that way to me initially.

Besides,there should be no doubt in our minds that success in nigh.

 

[IDGAF]

Well, have a look. The 'better' posters (the ones who get all the votes at the end of the year) have come out all bias as per usual.

What a bloody surprise. I dont know how many of you actually READ what CJH posted but, it seems as if a fair few have.

How many of us, in our right minds would want Richmond to die? Zero. Simple as that. No one here wants the Tigers to move. I'd bet that even the NSW based Richmond supporters would want us to move.

CJH CLEARLY stated his own opinion and then, stated what he thought the AFL would think about the proposal. He is just trying to weigh up the circumstances that might (unlikely) take place.

Thats how I saw it.

EDIT* Just like to state my own opinon;

Obviously do not want us to move, I fell there would be too much backlash if the case were to happen. I must say these rumours wouldnt help our membership, thats for sure.

Totally understand CJH `s POV

I am just saying that i think what he is saying is Bollocks . It is totally and utterly inconcievable .

No way in the world would the AFL consider moving us . Properly run , in Melbourne , we are a cash cow . It will never be us .

We get bagged for our ways but we are part of the fabric .

 

[SaveFeriss]

Well, have a look. The 'better' posters (the ones who get all the votes at the end of the year) have come out all bias as per usual.

What a bloody surprise. I dont know how many of you actually READ what CJH posted but, it seems as if a fair few have.

How many of us, in our right minds would want Richmond to die? Zero. Simple as that. No one here wants the Tigers to move. I'd bet that even the NSW based Richmond supporters would want us to move.

CJH CLEARLY stated his own opinion and then, stated what he thought the AFL would think about the proposal. He is just trying to weigh up the circumstances that might (unlikely) take place.

Thats how I saw it.

EDIT* Just like to state my own opinon;

Obviously do not want us to move, I fell there would be too much backlash if the case were to happen. I must say these rumours wouldnt help our membership, thats for sure.

Get your hand of the Moderators knob will ya!

Fair dunkum, I cant believe you would back this traitor up.

Of course I can see he doesnt want it to happen, but why name us? When there are 4 other clubs in front of us?

AND WHY PUT IT UP ON THE MAIN BOARD FOR GOD'S SAKE?

WHAT'S YOUR MOTIVE CJH? ARE YOU A PACKER EMPLOYEE OR WHAT?


T.R.A.I.T.O.R.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Darth_Tiger]

i agree idgaf, what i was saying was IF we are NOT properly run. if the club can make itself viable on a level that we are making a profit even without success then i will retract my statement that we need to make finals soon. however if as i said before, things fall in a heap then i dont believe we are safe at all. i for one think it will be very hard for the club to be profitable if richmond supporters in the majority are apathetic, i know i would find it hard to keep watching the crap they served up week after week last year, but we know that wont happen because even if we lose under plough, at least we wont lose ugly. for the record i will state once again i do not believe it will happen. but i echo the words of cjh in that we need to be aware that it is a possibility, rather than have our heads in the sand with the words 'BIG 4' constantly ringing in our ears.

 

[Darth_Tiger]

oh by the way, thanks for putting this up CJH, the board was getting incredibly boring lately.

 

[IDGAF]

. if richmond supporters in the majority are apathetic,

Herein lies key DT ....

We are not apethetic .

After a generation of misery , we are still here , louder than ever , pi..ing off more people than we ever have , being as big mouthed as we ever have , talking grandiose as we always have , buying our memberships like we always have , sticking it to the man , like we always will . Talking up Rookies like we always do , kicking fallen heroes as we always have etc . etc . etc .

When we get it right , thats right , it is only a matter of when , not if , when we get it right we will be a Bohemath that will devour all before it .

People talk of " The Shinboner Spirit " ...... well ..... the RFC has it`s own passion . A passion that lifts us above all others , if people worry about us becoming apathetic then don`t , it will never happen . "Passion" is the essence of our whole club and it was has kept this place going over the last 25 years . It`s what separates us from the rest of the rabble out here

Sleep tight tonight DT ....... Apathy is not in our dictionary

 

[rfctigerarmy]

Get your hand of the Moderators knob will ya!

Feriss, if it were Oxx I would have backed him up for exactly the same reason and he's not a traitor.

Oh, and lets not get started about posting ******** on the AFL board... shall we Save?

 

[oxx]

LMAO@ CJH being the Benedict Arnold of BigFooty.


LMAO@RFC using me as the benchmark for political incorrectness.

 

[SaveFeriss]

Oh, and lets not get started about posting ******** on the AFL board... shall we Save?

Why not? Go ahead. At least I back up my club through thick and thin and take on all the ******** after certain people start a ridiculous topic and never return to the topic!