Remove this Banner Ad

Player Watch #30: Reece Conca

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Sir_Loin said:
Oh yeah. Well that's simply not true. He didn't even make it into the top 10 in our B&F that year. So not sure how you pull "he was one of our best, most consistent players". Just a myth people like you continue to perpetuate.
Click to expand...

GOLD! :thumbsu:
Not even a top 10 finish in his best year!
This Conca bloke is a star!
 
Sir_Loin said:
Oh yeah. Well that's simply not true. He didn't even make it into the top 10 in our B&F that year. So not sure how you pull "he was one of our best, most consistent players". Just a myth people like you continue to perpetuate.
Click to expand...

As I said yesterday - and I will repeat it. damien hardwick has been quoted as saying we 'draft for stars and trade for need". As a first round pick Conca was not only expected to be very good, he was drafted with the intention of being a star. The fact he is borderline best 22 cements the fact he is a failure twice over!
 
Conca has been perennially injured. Is he a failed draft pick? At this stage it's a resounding yes, but it's through bad luck more than anything. Can't predict injuries like that.
 
Boob_Radley said:
2012 he was one of our best, most consistent players. Since then it's injury. You naysayers are your most blinkered when it comes to Conca.
Click to expand...

2012.. says it all really. Even IF the guy was elite, and he was a long way from that in 2012, but a gun player who has struggled to play regularly you have hope and keep them on the list for 4-5 years. Good list managers make tough calls. But he actually continued his B- form through 13-14 imo.

Conca owes the club big time. Some Conca spporters will bring up the 'not his fault his body keeps breaking down'. Soft tissue is up to the individual to do the stretching/strengthening work. If he cruises through the next 2 years on our list, in and out with injury, his 'good' football will be a distant memory. Four years of not even being depth.
At best we can hope for some midfield depth with Reece. Cant see him playing anywhere else and even fit, he's down at number 5-6 on my rotation list of midfielders ( ie bench at best).
 

Log in to remove this Banner Ad

Goldust said:
GOLD! :thumbsu:
Not even a top 10 finish in his best year!
This Conca bloke is a star!
Click to expand...

The years he had some sort of run at it;

2011, best first year player. 18th in the b&f in 2012, 17th in the b&f in 2013, 18th in the b&f 2014.

9 senior games across 2015 and 2016.

I can't see how people think this guy is a b level player. He hasn't had a single season even when he had a run at it relatively injury free to justify being rated that highly. Bottom 6 player.

Has had a couple good games. Whoopdy-do. So he should have for pick 6.
 
Last edited:
Sir_Loin said:
The years he had some sort of run at it;

2011, best first year player. 18th in the b&f in 2012, 17th in the b&f in 2013, 18th in the b&f 2014.

9 senior games across 2015 and 2016.

I can't see how people think this guy is a b level player. He hasn't had a single season even when he had a run at it relatively injury free to justify being rated that highly. Bottom 6 player.

Has had a couple good games. Whoopdy-do. So he should have for pick 6.
Click to expand...
Nice work Loin!
 
Sir_Loin said:
The years he had some sort of run at it;

2011, best first year player. 18th in the b&f in 2012, 17th in the b&f in 2013, 18th in the b&f 2014.

9 senior games across 2015 and 2016.

I can't see how people think this guy is a b level player. He hasn't had a single season even when he had a run at it relatively injury free to justify being rated that highly. Bottom 6 player.

Has had a couple good games. Whoopdy-do. So he should have for pick 6.
Click to expand...

And which club re-signed him for TWO years after no other club expressed interest?
Only Richmond would do that!
 
Sir_Loin said:
The years he had some sort of run at it;

2011, best first year player. 18th in the b&f in 2012, 17th in the b&f in 2013, 18th in the b&f 2014.

9 senior games across 2015 and 2016.

I can't see how people think this guy is a b level player. He hasn't had a single season even when he had a run at it relatively injury free to justify being rated that highly. Bottom 6 player.

Has had a couple good games. Whoopdy-do. So he should have for pick 6.
Click to expand...
Be easy on him as he has been an active member of a star studded line up which participated in three consecutive finals series. Hard to break into the top 15.
 
Has conca had a full pre season yet?

I personally rate him in a run with role, i saw him do some great jobs in that role and allows other mids space by shepparding and tackling. Keeps the opposition mids accountable and can snag a goal. Is he worth a first round pick... no.

Just my 2c
 
TigerImposter said:
Be easy on him as he has been an active member of a star studded line up which participated in three consecutive finals series. Hard to break into the top 15.
Click to expand...

Not having a crack at him at a personal level but the facts are the facts - clubs rate b&f performances highly. As they should. Can't deny last two years have been shocking for him injury wise but there's a perception that pre injury he was one of our best which is just bullshit.
 
This buisness about which position is his best or playing him off HB etc is all crap, He either makes it as a midfielder or is gone

He has 2 years to make it or is on the scrap heap, Personally i believe he is on very little money and if he ends up making it will be a bonus
 
Sir_Loin said:
The years he had some sort of run at it;

2011, best first year player. 18th in the b&f in 2012, 17th in the b&f in 2013, 18th in the b&f 2014.

9 senior games across 2015 and 2016.

I can't see how people think this guy is a b level player. He hasn't had a single season even when he had a run at it relatively injury free to justify being rated that highly. Bottom 6 player.

Has had a couple good games. Whoopdy-do. So he should have for pick 6.
Click to expand...
Yet the foamers on our board rate him. Same blokes were fapping hard over Townsend this time last year:rolleyes:

Reckon his name was mentioned "inside the four walls" in the lead up to the trade period but it was clear to those inside the club his value was SFA. He has this year to announce himself in our VFL squad that he is of some benefit in taking up a place on our senior list or he goes at our first oportunity to move him on
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Goldust said:
As I said yesterday - and I will repeat it. damien hardwick has been quoted as saying we 'draft for stars and trade for need". As a first round pick Conca was not only expected to be very good, he was drafted with the intention of being a star. The fact he is borderline best 22 cements the fact he is a failure twice over!
Click to expand...
Even tho he stated stars, I have heard every talent manager say draft for 'talent', trade for needs which is what he would mean. Yes he used the wrong word. The reason the talent word is used is simply because you never know how players will go in senior afl footy, top 10 included, so labelling them as stars is wrong.
 
TigerImposter said:
He's had the opportunity to do 7 preseasons,but hang on his body has failed him.Ding dong warning signals there already.
Click to expand...

Sorry you must have misread my question. I asked whether he has completed a full pre season, as i cant remember him completing a full one as yet just wanted some verification from others.
 
pazza86 said:
Sorry you must have misread my question. I asked whether he has completed a full pre season, as i cant remember him completing a full one as yet just wanted some verification from others.
Click to expand...
Sorry as I cannot recall whether he has.
 
so many good posts in this thread, someone said they think Conca owes the club, that's how I've felt for years, but it isn't completely fair.

Really it is Francis Jackson that owes the club for his now famous 'left-field' pick 6.

Sometimes when noone else rates a player top 10 except you, you are genius ahead of your time, a visionary. Yes, it might be...but crumbs it is unlikely!! And what in FJ's previous experience suggested to him that he indeed could see what others couldn't?

So, we ended up with Reece, whose exceptional qualities at the time were listed as decision making and an elite psych evaluation...problem is, those same attributes are useful for selecting a good young accountant.

So, I try not to be mad at Reece, and try only to be mad about Reece. He never imo had any elite physical quality that justified pick 6, he was always going to be a good ordinary footballer, a reliable foot-soldier (before the twangs).

Having said all that, when there is video of you hitting a bloke in the back of the head on the field while your love handles sneak out from under your guernsey...as a professional footballer you'd want to make sure that's not what most people remember you for, wouldn't you?

and yes, I realise I'm repeating myself on here, bi-annual Conca rant over.
 
TheProwler said:
Yet the foamers on our board rate him. Same blokes were fapping hard over Townsend this time last year:rolleyes:

Reckon his name was mentioned "inside the four walls" in the lead up to the trade period but it was clear to those inside the club his value was SFA. He has this year to announce himself in our VFL squad that he is of some benefit in taking up a place on our senior list or he goes at our first oportunity to move him on
Click to expand...
Personally i would do a townsend type deal every year.You do it with your eyes wide open knowing theres a good chance it wont work out Low risk high reward and nothing really lost if it does fail.
Fmd the bloke actually played some decent footy for gws in the few games he got. He did extremely well when playing in the neafl.Had limited opportunity at previous club and actually fit the needs of our club if it worked out.
We would never have taken Miles or any player like him if we worried about the back lash of them failing. That is the nature of the beast.
What im saying is imo the process was right for so many reasons.If i remember correctly we gave up a pick in the 70's to give townsend a shot it was probably a pick we wasnt even going to use.

I am dirty at the club for many of its processes but i will not kick em for doing what a lot of us see as a good process. we can not have it both ways. so what the pick has not worked out move on and go again and again as many times as it takes.Just dont hang on to these types for yrs on end in hope.
 
Last edited:

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Conca hasnt shown enough talent to justify keeping him on if his body cant cope. Cotchin did when he was injured often and young and it was clear he had talent so worth persisting with. Conca has never looked likely bar a few handy games.
 
THE_GUN said:
This buisness about which position is his best or playing him off HB etc is all crap, He either makes it as a midfielder or is gone

He has 2 years to make it or is on the scrap heap, Personally i believe he is on very little money and if he ends up making it will be a bonus
Click to expand...
If we gave every player 9 yrs to make it we would never get above mediocre. Oh wait that is whats happening.

And totally disagree he aint making it as a mid it is crap to think other wise his best chance is as a defender imo of course.
 
juss said:
Conca hasnt shown enough talent to justify keeping him on if his body cant cope. Cotchin did when he was injured often and young and it was clear he had talent so worth persisting with. Conca has never looked likely bar a few handy games.
Click to expand...
He can play, would have been a fair 2nd round pick (not knowing about his hammies), Emma Quayle was spot on at the time, rated him mid-20s, with 'safe', 'solid', 'neat' the keywords. Only his attitude was rated with a superlative. FJ may have been instructed to play safe, if not, poor call at 6.

'23. REECE CONCA
(Perth, 18, 185cm, 79kg)
Add him to the list of solid, safe midfield bets. Goes after the ball when it's his turn, uses it well and can play in all parts of the ground. Keeps running, and plays with some burst. Perhaps doesn't have the polish of some of the other onballers, but is neat and a safe mark. Impressive attitude helps push him up the order.'
 
Goldust said:
I would say it does matter where you are picked, but for the purposes of this exercise, I would suggest - given our club's woeful strike rate with first and second round picks - we probably adopt the approach that 'as long he's in the best 22' it's okay, we'll pick him.
I'll let you in on a secret, I was fortunate to be present at a presentation given by Damien Hardwick four years ago where he outlines - among other things - the club's draft strategy and their free agent strategy and the actual process they used to arrive at the fact that player A (say Houli), player B (say Grigg) and player C (say Petterd) was wanted at Tigerland.
Make no mistake - Hardwick's message (which was repeated several times in the talk) was the club "trades for NEED, but drafts for STARS". If you are deluded into thinking that this club is not using it's number one pick in particular in the draft to secure a star well there's no hope for you. The club drafts Conca, BEllis, Lennon, Vlastuin and Rioli expecting them to be the next Deledio, Cotchin, Rance, Martin or Riewoldt, no the next Tambling, Edwards or Griffiths who hang on for 100-200 games because we have no one better. As Hradwick said we draft for STARS. Reece is not a star and if you were to trawl through every best 22 published on te appropriate thread on the Tigers board the majority don't even rate him in the best 22 six years into his career. It's a massive fail!
Click to expand...

That's a different argument and not the point I was making at all.

I was responding to the below posts about Conca's worth in the side. Not our draft strategy.

bananatigz said:
It's pretty simple, if he can stay fit he's more than capable of being a solid member of our best 22. And yeh some people aren't going to be happy with that considering he was a pick 6, but you need those B-grade types and it's in that 10-18 range where we have sorely lacked depth, if he can get fit and add to that we are much better for it.
Click to expand...

Sir_Loin said:
Agree. Just not with your first round draft pick
Click to expand...

I don't think anyone thinks we should aim to draft depth with pick 6, but just cos that's how it works out doesn't mean we cut the player completely. Of course we should be hoping all top 10 picks are stars, but a decent percentage of them never play more than a handful of games.

Conca has done worse and better than plenty of picks both before and after him.

Draft position means you get a better chance of drafting talented AFL players, but once they are on your list everyone starts from square one. If the player we have on our list is about 15th, but we used pick 1 on them, that's disappointing, but it doesn't mean we delist them if they are still the 15th best player we have.

And for the record, I think Conca is borderline. I think IF (and I don't know this will ever happen) he is fit (and I don't just mean not injured) then he is in our midfield rotation and probably somewhere between 10-18 on our list. I think though that injuries may well have stunted his potential to ever be more than a role player and I think he should be getting pushed out but I don't think that will be this year if he stays injury free.
 
mopsy said:
Personally i would do a townsend type deal every year.You do it with your eyes wide open knowing theres a good chance it wont work out Low risk high reward and nothing really lost if it does fail.
Fmd the bloke actually played some decent footy for gws in the few games he got. He did extremely well when playing in the neafl.Had limited opportunity at previous club and actually fit the needs of our club if it worked out.
We would never have taken Miles or any player like him if we worried about the back lash of them failing. That is the nature of the beast.
What im saying is imo the process was right for so many reasons.If i remember correctly we gave up a pick in the 70's to give townsend a shot it was probably a pick we wasnt even going to use.

I am dirty at the club for many of its processes but i will not kick em for doing what a lot of us see as a good process. we can not have it both ways. so what the pick has not worked out move on and go again and again as many times as it takes.Just dont hang on to these types for yrs on end in hope.
Click to expand...
No real problem with the Townsend deal as I too saw it as depth recruiting at best. The reference I made to him was in regards to the excitement many in this board had for him this time last year. Some in here are very quick to throw shade on oposition players whilst talking up our list. If a few removed their yellow and black shades they might see how poor our list really is.
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Remove this Banner Ad

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Back
Top Bottom