4 axed for 3rd test

[Black Diamond]

His stats suggest he is a very good batsman and a very good cricketer. I'm not disagreeing with your opinion on Buchanan, I think he is great and have been to a couple of his lectures but what works for some blokes doesn't work for others. I don't think Buchanan would hold it against Waugh or Warne for their opinion of him, as his intellect is superior to that.

Agreed. I just doubt Mark Waugh would have given Buchanan an honest go.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Father of Chris, former WA batting coach.

Must have been rated pretty highly by Wesley, when he worked there he wasn't even getting the main coaching gigs. Not sure if he took any teams, stretching the memory there. Wayne Andrews was a pretty handy 1sts coach, mind.

 

[Black Diamond]

This is mid 1980s Kim Hughes level

Do you know this or just suggesting it?

 

[The_Reaper]

Do you know this or just suggesting it?

If Watto is resigning then it has to be.

 

[sherb]

And I continue to disagree with you. 8000 runs at an average of 41 and 11 years playing test cricket for Australia is not a wasted talent.

Edit: nor is mediocre.

I view it as a wasted talent compared to his natural ability.

He should have been averaging 50 plus in test cricket in my opinion. He was that good on ability alone. 41 was a poor average in comparison.

But he didn't have the application, compared to players like his brother, Langer or say Border.

In that sense he was most definitely a wasted talent.

 

[worstbloke]

Probably because he coaches Hughes.

Here's his other pupil.

 

[Black Diamond]

If Watto is resigning then it has to be.

While I won't miss Watson as a player it's regrettable that the current climate would force anybody's resignation.

 

[The Speaker]

What are you oh dearing ?

de Costa has done plenty of advertising of himself lately. Does not a potential batting coach make.

Don't mind him though. But not what we're looking for here.

Father of Chris, former WA batting coach.

Was this when we doing well or not? Seeing as we're looking for potential Australian batting coaches.

Started as a batting coach

Again, started as a batting coach.

Currently head coaches. We are dealing with a current situation. We're looking for a current batting coach.

You're aware that batting coachs fix technique yeah?

That's an impressive sidestep.

Bowling coaches tend to over coach

I agree.

 

[The_Reaper]

While I won't miss Watson as a player it's regrettable that the current climate would force anybody's resignation.

I'll miss him as a one day player.

There are massive issues if the VC decides that he has no choice but to resign.

 

[galindez]

If 16 players had all done the simple task they were asked to do then it wouldn't have come to that.

But the thing is, this was a minor infraction. It was literally a case of not handing in homework. Punishments need to be proportionate. When they're not, people lose respect for the process.

 

[Phone]

There are massive issues if the VC decides that he has no choice but to resign.

Yeah. The massive issue is Shane Watson.

 

[worstbloke]

de Costa has done plenty of advertising of himself lately. Does not a potential batting coach make.

Don't mind him though. But not what we're looking for here.

Yeah, so the batting coach to the best batsman in the world isn't worth his salt, nice second sentence. Speak english.

Was this when we doing well or not? Seeing as we're looking for potential Australian batting coaches.

John was sought out by countless Australian bats, West Aus bats, has done some work with QLD too.

Currently head coaches. We are dealing with a current situation. We're looking for a current batting coach.

This is silly, Flower and Kersten were recognised as exceptional batting coaches and elevated to the top job, not bad for blokes filling wank positions eh?

 

[Fat Nyfe]

Any credible source to the Watto retiring rumour?

edit: "considering his future" http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/current/story/624562.html

 

[kane249]

But the thing is, this was a minor infraction. It was literally a case of not handing in homework. Punishments need to be proportionate. When they're not, people lose respect for the process.

Considering as i've said above the task was how do we as a team improve, how much respect are the 4 showing their team mates by not doing it? This is a 2 way street here

 

[King Elvis]

Clarke's a perfectionist.

The problem is he expects the same from his players. He's probably right that many could be more professional but it's going to end in tears.

He's got a lot more support than Hughes did though.

I think his main priority is himself and his own performances.

Fair enough, won't criticise him for that - but don't make him Captain.

 

[The_Reaper]

Any credible source to the Watto retiring rumour?

Lalor on twitter

 

[sherb]

I think his main priority is himself and his own performances.

Fair enough, won't criticise him for that - but don't make him Captain.

There's no logical basis for that view apart from personal dislike.

I thought you were better than that.

 

[The_Reaper]

I think his main priority is himself and his own performances.

Fair enough, won't criticise him for that - but don't make him Captain.

Don't think we've got any other options.

He obviously has to be frustrated with everyone elses performances.

 

[Phone]

Any credible source to the Watto retiring rumour?

edit: "considering his future" http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/current/story/624562.html

'Any time you're suspended for a Test match unless you do something unbelievably wrong, and obviously everyone knows what those rules are - I think it is very harsh,'' Watson said.
''I'm at a stage where I'm sort of weighing up my future and what I want to do with my cricket in general to be honest.
''I do love playing, there is no doubt about that but … I'm going to spend the next few weeks with my family and just weigh up my options of just exactly what direction I want to go.
''There are a lot more important things in life - I certainly do love playing cricket and that passion is still there and I feel like I'm in the prime years of my cricket career.
''From that perspective I still feel like I've got a lot to give. But from a holistic perspective I've got to sit down with my family and decide which directions they are.''

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...as-one-of-four-to-be-axed-20130311-2fwij.html

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/players-have-only-got-themselves-to-blame-20130311-2fwrf.html

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...erve-no-sympathy/story-e6frectl-1226595094408

Barrett and Badel, both on the tour, very supportive of the move...........

 

[Ill Chicken]

There's no logical basis for that view apart from personal dislike.

I thought you were better than that.

Well in that test match in Adelaide, he said he would have given only half his runs back for a test win.

 

[Mateyman]

I think his main priority is himself and his own performances.

Fair enough, won't criticise him for that - but don't make him Captain.

Yeah, let's make "Davey" Captain.

 

[King Elvis]

Yeah. The massive issue is Shane Watson.

And yet, he's only become an issue recently.

Funny that, huh?

Also stood up for Katich and Hussey...

Even funnier.

 

[larrikin]

If the consequence of not completing the task had been clear do you think any of the players would've not completed?

Sounds to me like it's a fractured group and that a task set by Arthur and Clarke as being important to them was misinterpreted by some of the group. If there were clear priority placed on group processes this wouldn't have been an issue.

It's really a reflection on how they are interacting as a team. Looks like a clear lack of leadership to me - I always love the quote from Remember the Titans - "Attitude reflects leadership". So true.

 

[The Speaker]

Yeah, so the batting coach to the best batsman in the world isn't worth his salt, nice second sentence. Speak english.

Also coaching the guy who has not scored against spinners in India yet. Which is remarkably different to Michael Clarke.

John was sought out by countless Australian bats, West Aus bats, has done some work with QLD too.

Doesn't answer my question.

This is silly, Flower and Kersten were recognised as exceptional batting coaches and elevated to the top job,

I would see that more as them having the right skills from a head coach and being able to apply them to the field they specialised in.

In any case, that's not the point of why I asked. I asked because I don't think the majority of batting coaches have a serious impact on the batting performance of national teams. And going from this, those that presumably do aren't batting coaches any more. That's not much help to us, because the other part of the question is to find a batting coach who can have a major impact on the team - should they exist.

not bad for blokes filling wank positions eh?

That wasn't my call.

 

[Ill Chicken]

Barrett and Badel, both on the tour, very supportive of the move...........

First time I've read this stuff from Badel and it is dribble.