4 axed for 3rd test

[ManOfClay]

[quote="legend166, post: 27374508, member: 40009]Even if you think something is dumb, just do it.[/quote]

Straight out of Watto's book, titled "How to run between wickets"

 

[The_Reaper]

Reports on another forum that Patto was dropped for falsifying fitness reports.

And that Khawaja, Lyon and Johnson are part of a clique around Watson.

 

[Percel]

Reports on another forum that Patto was dropped for falsifying fitness reports.

And that Khawaja, Lyon and Johnson are part of a clique around Watson.

Can i ask which forum?

 

[carnthemlions]

Reports on another forum that Patto was dropped for falsifying fitness reports.

And that Khawaja, Lyon and Johnson are part of a clique around Watson.

If true, patto isn't the sharpest tool in the shed(nothing new).

 

[Wicked Lester]

I keep coming back to the issue of watto openly gunning for cowan's place in the media. You just can't do that, particularly when you're supposed to be the vc.

Maybe Watson thought airing such views publicly was ok. After all, in his newspaper column Clarke had already publicly queried Watson's position in the side on several ocassions. Watson may not be a very self aware individual but it cuts both ways here.

We have a mess on our hands and it comes back to a question of trust within the playing group and between the playing group and management. With captain as selector the dynamics of who is team and who is management have changed enormously, in my view for the worse.

 

[Belnakor]

people will be trying to tie this in to the BS rumors around the Clarke/Hussey rift, which Watson apparantly took Hussey's side on

 

[Underdog]

But seriously, how many people would get in trouble for not completing some sort of 'how can i perform better' feedback in their workplace these days? Quite a few, i suspect.

Trouble, possibly - suspended for it? None, I suspect.

Additionally, these guys have been suspended due to poor performances previously of not just themselves (if at all) but others. That would not happen in any professional organisation.

This could quite possibly have been the first indiscretion of one or more of these players with the way management are justifying it.

 

[Belnakor]

If true, patto isn't the sharpest tool in the shed(nothing new).

If you combined Watto and Patto together you might have half a brain.

 

[Wicked Lester]

people will be trying to tie this in to the BS rumors around the Clarke/Hussey rift, which Watson apparantly took Hussey's side on

Why do you think they were BS?

 

[Father Jack]

people will be trying to tie this in to the BS rumors around the Clarke/Hussey rift, which Watson apparantly took Hussey's side on

Doesn't sound too much like BS anymore

 

[Outshined]

Reports on another forum that Patto was dropped for falsifying fitness reports.

And that Khawaja, Lyon and Johnson are part of a clique around Watson.

A clique against Clarke's leadership?

 

[Belnakor]

Why do you think they were BS?

I think maybe the clarke wanting to go on the boat was true, but the stuff about Warner sounds like fluff.

Then again the Kat did grab Clarke by the throat one night so its not like Clarke doesn't have form.

 

[western royboy]

people will be trying to tie this in to the BS rumors around the Clarke/Hussey rift, which Watson apparantly took Hussey's side on

A current 1st class player told me that the incident at the end of the Sydney Test did happen (the Warner stuff was a case of adding 2+2 and getting 6 - totally made up), Greg Matthews referred to it last night on Fox Sports, a denial from CA and a puff piece from Crash doesn't mean that it didn't happen. If you keep your ear to the ground, there is enough mutterings to get the impression that some people are off side with Clarke and his clique. There is a long list. This is not a new development, but it's out there now.

 

[Father Jack]

It's interesting that Hussey's song-singing heir lasted all of one test.

 

[Caesar]

Trouble, possibly - suspended for it? None, I suspect.

Additionally, these guys have been suspended due to poor performances previously of not just themselves (if at all) but others. That would not happen in any professional organisation.

This could quite possibly have been the first indiscretion of one or more of these players with the way management are justifying it.

It's an issue of team discipline though. You can't equate that to the workplace. If members of the team are openly flouting reasonable coaching instructions, and have been for a while, a line in the sand has to be drawn. Token punishments behind closed doors don't cut it. It needs to be 'either do what you're asked or get out'.

I really don't give a shit about how petty the instructions were. If they can't obey reasonable (and frankly rather trivial) requests then they shouldn't be in the team. I'd rather have the whole squad sent home in disgrace than wind up with a situation like you get in some of the subcontinental sides, where the players just do whatever they damn feel like because the coaching staff are too afraid of the court of public opinion to discipline them properly.

 

[Wicked Lester]

A current 1st class player told me that the incident at the end of the Sydney Test did happen

I was told by a very good source that there was substance to the rumour.

 

[Underdog]

It's an issue of team discipline though. You can't equate that to the workplace.

Teams don't operate in a work place?

 

[Outshined]

This is sounding more and more like Game of Thrones, without all the beheadings obviously.

 

[Caesar]

Teams don't operate in a work place?

Discipline is nowhere near as important in an office as it is in a sporting team.

 

[The_Reaper]

Can i ask which forum?

The pakistani one

 

[western royboy]

I was told by a very good source that there was substance to the rumour.

It happened. Huss tried to cover it up because he didn't want there to be any lingering baggage for the guys going forward or the way to remember his final test, but clearly there is and virtually every player who showed respect and loyalty to Huss has been caught up in something since. Conspiracy theorists now is your time.

 

[The_Reaper]

Over here in WA people think it happened.

 

[Caesar]

Any time anything bad happens to a sandgroper, West Australians look for an east coaster to blame.

 

[Father Jack]

Discipline is nowhere near as important in an office as it is in a sporting team.

Getting dropped for not handing in a report like this isn't discipline, it's a power trip. Being good at essay writing has no impact on the field. And further more, team morale is also important in a sporting team.

 

[Caesar]

Getting dropped for not handing in a report like this isn't discipline, it's a power trip. Being good at essay writing has no impact on the field. And further more, team morale is also important in a sporting team.

If it was symptomatic of a wider problem (as indicated) then it most certainly would have been about discipline. The actual task is irrelevant, the failure to comply with a reasonable request is the issue.

Morale is definitely important but maintaining proper discipline is intrinsically linked to that, especially when a team is failing. If Simmo and AB had sent home a few players for being slack with team duties in the 80s nobody would have questioned it.

The only reason people are making such a big deal about it now is because of rumours and innuendo. I'm not in a position to pass judgement on the intricacies of the team's internal dynamics, but taking this incident purely on the face of it the action is pretty reasonable.