Player Watch #44 Jake Lloyd

[Kennedy Parker]

Jake Lloyd

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Jake Lloyd

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Jake Lloyd

Age

32

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.4

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

9.0

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

403.9

5star

D

23.4

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

9.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.9

3star

MG

403.9

5star

D

23.2

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

9.8

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

357.4

5star

is a ball magnet, an endurance machine, a clean user of the footy and a calming influence on the Sydney Swans’ half-back line. The former rookie-listed Swan averaged 27.22 disposals per match between 2016 and 2019 and won the club’s 2018 Bob Skilton Medal. Lloyd became the quickest Swan in history to reach 100 senior games when he ran out against Hawthorn at the MCG in Round 8, 2018. He was then recognised as one of the best players in the league when he was selected for Victoria in the State of Origin match for bushfire relief in February 2019. Draft history: 2013 Rookie Draft selection (Sydney) No. 15; 2014 AFL Draft rookie elevation (Sydney).

Jake Lloyd

44

Jake Lloyd

Age

32

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.4

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

9.0

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

403.9

5star

D

23.4

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

9.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.9

3star

MG

403.9

5star

D

23.2

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

9.8

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

357.4

5star

DOB: 20 September 1993
DEBUT: 2013
DRAFT: 2014
RECRUITED FROM: Horsham Demons (Vic)/North Ballarat U18

Jake Lloyd | AFL

Follow Jake Lloyd's progress through AFL

www.sydneyswans.com.au

 

[Wayne Swan]

Lloyd is no star but even teams like Hawthorn have role players in their last half dozen.

Lloyd will keep getting games because he is reliable week after week, never a star but never the worse either. Unfortunately the way the draft system works, unless you are GWS, it is almost impossible to draft 22 top quality players, the Lloyds of this world always make up the bottom quarter of your team. No point comparing Lloyd to Hill and Smith who were both high draft choices, as a rookie Lloyd was free to us.

I currently don't see anyone in our ressies to push him out, I'd love to see Hiscox make the grade but think he may end up a failed experiment. If we can get guys like Rose, Dawson, Davis, O'Riordan etc to push for senior selection then we will be a better side as they all bring something extra. Until them Lloyd will be a best 22 player, it's up to the youngsters to push him out.

 

[hairy biker]

Strange time for a negative bump.

I thought he was one of our best on the weekend.

6 rebound 50s (next best player on 3), 6 inside 50s (next best 4), 31 disposals (11 contested), 5 tackles, 4 goal assists (more than the rest of the team combined).

Stats quoted because I think they tell the tale of Lloyd's game.

He dropped away last year (partly because opposition teams put more pressure on him), but he worked hard into space on Saturday, linked the play up well and pleasingly seemed more prepared to involve himself in the physical side of the game.

His disposal efficiency was a bit down v Port (61%) and he'll never be an outside speedster ala Jetta/Rohan, but I thought his performance indicated he hopefully is back on track and if he is, then a valuable member of our best 22.

 

[J_Moore]

guys like... O'Riordan...bring something extra.

Yes, the relatively rare quality of never having played a competitive match of the sport in which he is a professional.

Must play rd1 imo. There's no point playing a one-paced list clogger like Laidler. We know what his ceiling is.

 

[Wayne Swan]

Yes, the relatively rare quality of never having played a competitive match of the sport in which he is a professional.

Must play rd1 imo. There's no point playing a one-paced list clogger like Laidler. We know what his ceiling is.

Steady on, you missed my point. I'm not a Lloyd or Laidler basher, they are best 22 players at present and happy to have them.

The point I was making is that a handful of the ressie players have something else we need IF they can rise to AFL standard. I only mentioned O'Riordan because like Tadgh before him he is being touted as a bit special albeit with a very loooong way to go.

Dawson like AJ did has shown something very early and could be an early debutant if he proves that cameo was no fluke.

We do potentially have a number of list cloggers as well and this is where the trade ban really hurt us because IMO we kept them on just in case .....

 

[kneecapper]

I'm a huge fan of Lloyd's composure and decision making. I think, out of all our young players, his confidence took the biggest hit from the 2014 GF and he spent a lot of 2015 slowly regaining that. Early signs are good that he might make a big impact this year.

 

[RUNVS]

Terry Wallace has Jake Lloyd as the 3rd best player of the weekend.

 

[Wayne Swan]

Terry Wallace has Jake Lloyd as the 3rd best player of the weekend.

Wallace the List Mangler, kiss of death for Lloyd right there!

I thought Lloyd was very good at the weekend, albeit against a SANFL side.

 

[doona]

6 rebound 50s (next best player on 3), 6 inside 50s (next best 4), 31 disposals (11 contested), 5 tackles, 4 goal assists (more than the rest of the team combined).

Jep played a great game on the weekend. In exposed form from previous seasons he is a bottom 6 player.

The positive signs are there from the weekend and has the tools to be a good AFL player. Hope he continues the form and really cements his spot.

He has the tools for a breakout season.

 

[garyrohan8]

Strange time for a negative bump.

I thought he was one of our best on the weekend.

6 rebound 50s (next best player on 3), 6 inside 50s (next best 4), 31 disposals (11 contested), 5 tackles, 4 goal assists (more than the rest of the team combined).

Stats quoted because I think they tell the tale of Lloyd's game.

He dropped away last year (partly because opposition teams put more pressure on him), but he worked hard into space on Saturday, linked the play up well and pleasingly seemed more prepared to involve himself in the physical side of the game.

His disposal efficiency was a bit down v Port (61%) and he'll never be an outside speedster ala Jetta/Rohan, but I thought his performance indicated he hopefully is back on track and if he is, then a valuable member of our best 22.

i only saw highlights from the weekend and my comments were based on the previous two years anyway. a lot of people have pointed out that we played a sanfl team on the weekend so i hope he can repeat those numbers against an afl team in the regular season.

 

[MarkP]

i only saw highlights from the weekend and my comments were based on the previous two years anyway. a lot of people have pointed out that we played a sanfl team on the weekend so i hope he can repeat those numbers against an afl team in the regular season.

Did you watch the last 2 years?

He was awesome in his first year.

He had an up and down 2nd year playing in a different position in a team where the senior guys were performing all over the shop in any case.

I really do not get the bump of this ridiculous thread.

Kid has play 40 odd games. The kid can play the game. He comes out and is our best player on the weekend by quite a margin in my pointless opinion.

Some on the board board decides that now, after he he stars in the first trial of the year, is a good time to kick the bloke because he is not as fast as Rohan/Hill/Isaac Smith, all league fastest with 2 playing in dominant sides that are well coached, he takes "safe options", I mean yeh as if that is a valid criticism in a team that hacks the ball at every opportunity, and he is not as good as AA players or something.

I mean WTDFDWFT or whatever it is.

Why in all that is holy is this moment picked to bash a kid at the start of his hopefully long career? Makes zero sense.

 

[garyrohan8]

Did you watch the last 2 years?

He was awesome in his first year.

He had an up and down 2nd year playing in a different position in a team where the senior guys were performing all over the shop in any case.

I really do not get the bump of this ridiculous thread.

Kid has play 40 odd games. The kid can play the game. He comes out and is our best player on the weekend by quite a margin in my pointless opinion.

Some on the board board decides that now, after he he stars in the first trial of the year, is a good time to kick the bloke because he is not as fast as Rohan/Hill/Isaac Smith, all league fastest with 2 playing in dominant sides that are well coached, he takes "safe options", I mean yeh as if that is a valid criticism in a team that hacks the ball at every opportunity, and he is not as good as AA players or something.

I mean WTDFDWFT or whatever it is.

Why in all that is holy is this moment picked to bash a kid at the start of his hopefully long career? Makes zero sense.

If you bothered to read my posts you'd know this was my first post on something i'd been thinking for a couple of years. i have no idea what a 'bump' is and i did not create this so-called 'ridiculous' thread.

i don't agree with your assessment of his first year and i have previously given reasons for this.

I did not instigate the comparison of rohan, one of the moderators did.

I did not 'kick' or 'bash' him. i did compare him to hill and smith to make my point that if lloyd is the best we can do in that position i don't think we will win the premiership.

i already mentioned that on the weekend we played a very weak team and i'd like to see him do it in the regular season against a full strength team.

over time i've noted the 'WTDFDWFT' bullying tactics on this forum that posters like you and others use.

 

[swansfan51]

Please play the ball, not the man. garyrohan8 is fully entitled to set out his view, and he did so with reasons why - not just saying "Lloyd is shit". Everyone is fully entitled to disagree with those reasons and have their say in response, but not by attacking the poster and saying they're stupid or they must not watch football.

 

[MarkP]

If you bothered to read my posts you'd know this was my first post on something i'd been thinking for a couple of years. i have no idea what a 'bump' is and i did not create this so-called 'ridiculous' thread.

i don't agree with your assessment of his first year and i have previously given reasons for this.

I did not instigate the comparison of rohan, one of the moderators did.

I did not 'kick' or 'bash' him. i did compare him to hill and smith to make my point that if lloyd is the best we can do in that position i don't think we will win the premiership.

i already mentioned that on the weekend we played a very weak team and i'd like to see him do it in the regular season against a full strength team.

over time i've noted the 'WTDFDWFT' bullying tactics on this forum that posters like you and others use.

Oh I read them. And if you read my post I did not say "YOU" did all those things.

Bullying? Seriously. Well ok then. If disagreeing vehemently with you is bullying then I stand 100% accused.

Not real sure why Lloyd has to be the player that our premiership hopes hang on or why his position is the crucial one to premiership success but whatever.

Here is a comparison of Hill and Lloyd at the same age for what it is worth.



And now Stephen Hill



Appears to stack up against to first round selections at the same age.

Against AFL standard opposition.

Not sure why all the angst to be honest but as you say let's just play him in the ressies and cut him. What possible upside can there be given the above comparatives at the same age to those other guys you mentioned.

 

[garyrohan8]

Oh I read them. And if you read my post I did not say "YOU" did all those things.

Bullying? Seriously. Well ok then. If disagreeing vehemently with you is bullying then I stand 100% accused.

Not real sure why Lloyd has to be the player that our premiership hopes hang on or why his position is the crucial one to premiership success but whatever.

Here is a comparison of Hill and Lloyd at the same age for what it is worth.

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And now Stephen Hill

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Appears to stack up against to first round selections at the same age.

Against AFL standard opposition.

Not sure why all the angst to be honest but as you say let's just play him in the ressies and cut him. What possible upside can there be given the above comparatives at the same age to those other guys you mentioned.

the bullying comment was in regards to the 'where do we find them...' (i assume thats something like what it stands for). nice way to treat someone new who doesn't agree with you. try condescending, arrogant and or demeaning if you don't like bullying.

i don't comprehend how the length of time you've been posting on a forum equates to the length of time you've been watching the game and your insight into it?

if you read my posts then you would of known i was referring to bradley not stephen hill and even then my point was that his disposal isn't damaging enough and he is to slow for the position he occupies in the team. the stats you quote don't mean much in this regard even if you got the player right.

i think the bottom few players in your team are very crucial to premiership success.

 

[CD__]

garyrohan8 I don't think Lloyd has been pigeon-holed as a pure winger just yet. He's clean and composed enough to play as an inside mid if necessary and has also shown the ability to kick goals playing as a half-forward.

Something you have failed to acknowledge is his gut-running ability...there has been many occasions at the end of quarters and games where young Jake seems like the only player in red and white that can push into space and provide an option for us coming out of the backline etc.

Seemingly the only knock on him is that he doesn't run as fast as Usain Bolt...if that's the case we better cut the majority of our list and start again.

 

[robbieando]

I saw that swansfan51 asked everyone to play the ball and not the man. That wasn't listened to and I've just had to clean up this thread. I don't care if you are a long time poster or new to this forum if a mod asks you to debate the opinion not the poster, please do so.

I don't want to see anymore WTFDWFT's also as we as a mod group are going to start cracking down on the use of the term.

We are starting a new season and opinions are going to be different, posters have the right to express them and not be attacked for it.

 

[garyrohan8]

garyrohan8 I don't think Lloyd has been pigeon-holed as a pure winger just yet. He's clean and composed enough to play as an inside mid if necessary and has also shown the ability to kick goals playing as a half-forward.

Something you have failed to acknowledge is his gut-running ability...there has been many occasions at the end of quarters and games where young Jake seems like the only player in red and white that can push into space and provide an option for us coming out of the backline etc.

Seemingly the only knock on him is that he doesn't run as fast as Usain Bolt...if that's the case we better cut the majority of our list and start again.

if by gut-running you are referring to his endurance then you are wrong as it was acknowledged by me in an earlier post. i also previously acknowledged that his disposal is clean and composed but in my opinion not very damaging. according to the stats above he averages 0.1 goals a game.

i'm not going to repeat the same point i've made about lloyd over and over for posters who comes on here and criticise me without reading what i've written and do so by making jibes about usain bolt (you could of just left the last paragraph out) which aren't particularly clever and are only designed to belittle me rather than engage with the point i am making.

 

[MarkP]

the bullying comment was in regards to the 'where do we find them...' (i assume thats something like what it stands for). nice way to treat someone new who doesn't agree with you. try condescending, arrogant and or demeaning if you don't like bullying.

i don't comprehend how the length of time you've been posting on a forum equates to the length of time you've been watching the game and your insight into it?

if you read my posts then you would of known i was referring to bradley not stephen hill and even then my point was that his disposal isn't damaging enough and he is to slow for the position he occupies in the team. the stats you quote don't mean much in this regard even if you got the player right.

i think the bottom few players in your team are very crucial to premiership success.

Never mentioned a thing about your length of time posting. In fact it is something I regularly call out as being entirely irrelevant. Hence I am treating your opinion as I would anyone else that had been posting on this forum for 10 + years. I show no favour. But apparently when I treat you the same as other posters that is no good. Bit of a conundrum isn't it?

I did read your posts. Stop saying "if I read them". You assumed wrong and once again I have corrected a factual error. I will continue to do this if you keep saying things that are not true and you have no possible way of knowing. Misread one part maybe is all. You appear to ahve misread a lot of mine given your response as well.



There is the right player. Does it change anything I said?

I could go on but meh.

He is slow and cannot deliver except safely or something and with our gameplan I can see how that is to his detriment. Got it.

 

[garyrohan8]

congratulations on 10+ years but i don't see the relevance.

"stop saying"

i said it once to you, which was a fair assumption given your error.

not much point in reading my posts if you 'misread' them. you might as well not have read them at all.

the stats mean as much as they did when they were about the wrong player, as i mentioned earlier.

"He is slow and cannot deliver except safely or something and with our gameplan I can see how that is to his detriment. Got it."

yes i believe he is too slow for his position and not damaging enough with his kicks. The second half of the sentence cannot be attributed to me as i have never written anything like it. i've never mentioned our gameplan.

 

[CD__]

if by gut-running you are referring to his endurance

Two very different things...you obviously need endurance for what is known as gut running but it doesn't automatically translate. Lloyd and Hannebery are easily our two best at this.

 

[garyrohan8]

Two very different things...you obviously need endurance for what is known as gut running but it doesn't automatically translate. Lloyd and Hannebery are easily our two best at this.

ok, thats fair enough, i take your point.

hannebery isn't quick either, his endurance and gut running are elite, his disposal might not be as clean as lloyds but seems more damaging to me and he seems better on the inside. i would argue, especially cause of hannebery, we need some real pace in lloyds position.

 

[CD__]

ok, thats fair enough, i take your point.

hannebery isn't quick either, his endurance and gut running are elite, his disposal might not be as clean as lloyds but seems more damaging to me and he seems better on the inside. i would argue, especially cause of hannebery, we need some real pace in lloyds position.

At the moment, our players with genuine pace that aren't necessarily locks in the starting 22 but have played senior footy are Towers, B.Jack, Rohan, Cunningham. Towers will most likely lock down a half-forward spot, Cunningham is certainly one that will be used in a similar position to Lloyd (although he doesn't find as much of the footy), B.Jack hasn't shown enough consistency and is often let down by his foot-skills and Rohan (who should end up the best of the bunch) doesn't have anywhere near the endurance level required to play on a wing yet. So at the moment, Lloyd looks pretty comprehensively our best bet to be played as one of our outside runners/distributors. I'd be interested on your thoughts as to who should be playing ahead of him and why.

 

[garyrohan8]

At the moment, our players with genuine pace that aren't necessarily locks in the starting 22 but have played senior footy are Towers, B.Jack, Rohan, Cunningham. Towers will most likely lock down a half-forward spot, Cunningham is certainly one that will be used in a similar position to Lloyd (although he doesn't find as much of the footy), B.Jack hasn't shown enough consistency and is often let down by his foot-skills and Rohan (who should end up the best of the bunch) doesn't have anywhere near the endurance level required to play on a wing yet. So at the moment, Lloyd looks pretty comprehensively our best bet to be played as one of our outside runners/distributors. I'd be interested on your thoughts as to who should be playing ahead of him and why.

there is the option of trying hiscox, though i'm aware his foot skills aren't the best at the moment. rohan obviously doesn't have the endurance as you've said. i do like cunningham/towers in that position as they have the combination of speed and endurance requires to go with players like hill and smith. i guess my thoughts on this were that we have an excess of half forwards so using cunningham or towers more on the wing would leave the half forward spot open for rohan/bj/robinson/rose/hewitt.

 

[Wayne Swan]

Hiscox just doesn't get enough of the ball even at NEAFL level to be considered for senior action. In Saturday's game he had 66% game time for 5 possessions and 1 tackle to reinforce that point.

Lack of outside run is an Achilles heel, we desperately need Rohan to step up a notch and take a wing position.

 

[garyrohan8]

Hiscox just doesn't get enough of the ball even at NEAFL level to be considered for senior action. In Saturday's game he had 66% game time for 5 possessions and 1 tackle to reinforce that point.

Lack of outside run is an Achilles heel, we desperately need Rohan to step up a notch and take a wing position.

i noticed he was an emergency a few times last year so that got my hopes up a bit. a second rounder is a reasonably high price to pay for an outside player who can't kick well. though fremantle were willing to pay the same.

if there are no other options besides lloyd i hope he has spent a lot of time in the weights room.