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Player Watch #44 Jake Lloyd

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Jake Lloyd

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Jake Lloyd is a ball magnet, an endurance machine, a clean user of the footy and a calming influence on the Sydney Swans’ half-back line. The former rookie-listed Swan averaged 27.22 disposals per match between 2016 and 2019 and won the club’s 2018 Bob Skilton Medal. Lloyd became the quickest Swan in history to reach 100 senior games when he ran out against Hawthorn at the MCG in Round 8, 2018. He was then recognised as one of the best players in the league when he was selected for Victoria in the State of Origin match for bushfire relief in February 2019. Draft history: 2013 Rookie Draft selection (Sydney) No. 15; 2014 AFL Draft rookie elevation (Sydney).

Jake Lloyd

DOB: 20 September 1993
DEBUT: 2013
DRAFT: 2014
RECRUITED FROM: Horsham Demons (Vic)/North Ballarat U18

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Unless his ball use is elite, like say Mcveigh towards the end of his career or Sidebottom now, then it's over.

He can't compete anymore.

I know the club will always drop the younger players. Sheldrick already been dropped. Hanily will be next. Co Warner and Clearly are going to struggle to hold their spots, but it is the senior players that are the real problem.
 
hairy biker said:
OK.
Mad genius/complete idiot observation.

Lloyd was playing on the wrong wing v Collingwood, which significantly led to his slow/uncertain play.

When he plays on the 'far' wing (in relation to the broadcast side) he will generally move the ball quickly, most commonly on the 45, but happy to go inside/outside and indeed run with the ball, before unloading.

On Friday night he played wide and didn't have the confidence to take the game on, instead far too often going sideways/backwards.
For a right footer if anything his position v Collingwood should have been advantageous, but clearly his performance was below par.

I also noticed Roberts pushed further up the ground (spent 72% of the game in the fwd half, 28% def half) and I think this also impacted Lloyd's positioning, pushing him higher and wider.
And indeed in Q4 it was Roberts high/wing,Lloyd back, although again on the left flank.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Lloyd HBF, Roberts wing come this week.

( I acknowledge there will be concerns regarding Roberts pace, but the way the game is played these days I don't actually think it is a major issue. A lot of wingers these days are more the endurance athlete and the speed often will be generated from the flankers down back).

I'll be interested to see which wing/flank Jake lines up on this week and whether there is any validity in this breakthrough research/absolute nonsense.
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Really interesting/thoughtful observation. Thank you.

Nool Carpenna said:
Ah yes... those rating points. The ones that had 5 Swans in the top 7 yesterday. Hayward as the third best on ground, and McLean worse than all but two Swans.

When you project this assessment as definitive, it's no real surprise you respond in the manner you do.
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I want to rebut you taking issue with the reference to ratings points. Ratings points aren't perfect but they are significant. If I had only one metric to judge a performance then that's the one I'd use. Absolutely they're imperfect. There's lots of things they don't take account of. They are not very qualitative. Etc etc. But they're still helpful analysis tools. And to my eye, it's you not the OP who is leaning towards making them definitive - by implying they're definitely not relevant.
 
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Callipygian said:
Really interesting/thoughtful observation. Thank you.



I'm not suggesting Lloyd was good against NMFC. But I do want to rebut you taking issue with the reference to ratings points. Ratings points aren't perfect but they are significant. If I had only one metric to judge a performance then that's the one I'd use. Absolutely they're imperfect. There's lots of things they don't take account of. They are very qualitative. Etc etc. But they're still helpful analysis tools. And to my eye, it's you not the OP who is leaning towards making them definitive - by implying they're definitely not relevant.
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Yep I use rating as a reference but then try and back it up, did this last year with Wick's form Lloyd is in a similar scenario to Sammy last year where he is basically down 20% across the board.

You can also see it in the eye test when he takes a mark. 1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi, 3 Mississippi
 
Callipygian said:
Really interesting/thoughtful observation. Thank you.



I'm not suggesting Lloyd was good against NMFC. But I do want to rebut you taking issue with the reference to ratings points. Ratings points aren't perfect but they are significant. If I had only one metric to judge a performance then that's the one I'd use. Absolutely they're imperfect. There's lots of things they don't take account of. They are very qualitative. Etc etc. But they're still helpful analysis tools. And to my eye, it's you not the OP who is leaning towards making them definitive - by implying they're definitely not relevant.
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Did I actually take issue with ratings points or did i merely show a couple of examples to demonstrate how they are "imperfect", to use your own words? (FWIW, I'm a bit of a math nerd and love statistics, while recognising that they are not definitive)

To my eye, you seem to be practising double standards here with your support of OP and your willingness to spin my words to suit your argument.

This wasn't a debate. A poster expressed an opinion. Your OP buddy took exception and presented a screenshot of Lloyd's 1.1 player rating.

The other poster, relying on his own preferred assessment tools, had no understanding of what 1.1 represented (pretty sure it isn't compulsory to understand rating points to have an opinion... yet) and said as much.

OP comes back with, "The game where he was the lowest rated player player on the ground. Might be time for you to get glasses if you thought he was in the top 5 Swans for the game."

So he's used the rating twice, used nothing else, and is so certain of his authority over the argument that he feels entitled to demean the other poster.

Yeah.... that seems to fit the definition of definitive to me, but please, feel free to define it however you like.

Yet if I do the same as you, offer "imperfections", I'm implying that rating points are definitely irrelevant. Hmmm... seems like a bit of a stretch.
 
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Been a champ but he is beyond cooked. Can't kick over a jam tin unless it's going 30m straight up in the air, moves like he's 45 and really can't stick a tackle, fumbles as bad as anyone. Sad to see them when they can't do what they could but he's supposed to be one of our main leaders so you just can't accept those things if you're trying to build standards. They have to just move on from a few and start the prep for the next flag crack.

Give him the farewell he deserves and has earnt near the end of the year, but he's not going to be part of a flag, even in the dream scenario were we get our shit together, have a great offseason and are back in the top 4 next year......there's no way he's part of that side. Has to go back to the twos and, unless there's a miracle form reversal from him, stay there until it's farewell game time.
 

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Well, Jakey got what was coming to him and now he's back in the twos. It's hard to see him coming back and getting another contract with us. However I feel only respect and gratitude. Has given great service and far more than we could ever have hoped for. If he spends the rest of the year in the reserves it will be a great boon for everyone who plays with him there. He has always been highly professional and sees the game better than most. Too soon to say goodbye but the writing is on the wall.
 
He was very good in the 2s - much better than Florent has been since being similarly dropped (not meant as a dig at Florent, just as a like-for-like comparison). There's a decent chance he could be recalled this week. However, good as he was, I didn't see anything that screams "pick me, my current deficits are absolutely solved". He dominated with his experience but his decision-making and disposal was just OK and still a little slow.

I won't complain if he's recalled (depending on who for), but I wouldn't rush him back at this point.
 
Prez said:
Jakr Lloyd has been a great player for the Swans and I would not write him off yet. Quality players are hard to find and I am sure Lioydy will be back in action soon
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I'm with ya.
Write off a champion and it's bound to come back and kick ya in the ass.
 
I feel like with Lloyd we just need to do what they did in Forrest Gump when he was playing college football. The crowd just needs to form the words "RUN" in the background. It really is that simple to me with Lloyd. When he is on the move and taking the game on, he's a completely different player to when he is trying to be cautious and set plays up slowly. He's one of our fittest players and one of our best ball users, so the focus of his game needs to be simple - carry the ball. Everything else will roll off the back of it and his deficiencies won't even matter.
 
Talk about providing the blueprint for what to do when you're dropped.

Don't sook or get in your own head over it. Go to the VFL, kick arse, get your spot back, and adjust your game to do the things you weren't doing before.

The process very rarely goes that smoothly but I guess that is why Lloyd's made it to over 250 AFL games. He's a total pro.

Just needs to not get complacent now. Perform like today and he's best 22 every day of the week. Play with a bit of urgency and confidence and no one will give a shit if he misses a shot at goal or shanks a kick here or there.
 

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